Title: Boston Legal TV Podcast: A conversation about the episode The Court Supreme with host Dana Greenlee and co-host Rob Greenlee. Season 4, Episode 17, Airdate: April 22, 2008 (68 min.)

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" About seventeen at the Senate and that's season for. The court supreme."

" It would be right now is my co host for Boston illegal radio we've heard of in the past rob they rob. Hey it's great to be here again are we can in the Boston legal podcast very cool -- you -- my very first co host back on that he's and one. That's true it's been a few years hasn't and he has -- that's about the men or 2005 and started. Men out 2008. And you've been by my side being how until -- know that he is the support system behind."

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" Also -- the woman goes all the hard work though and you've actually been through a lot hero last year or so with your voice and everything you should. -- all of your your listeners who podcast which you have to go through to get back to actually doing a podcast again that's an amazing story."

" I think that at this pick of the moment because it's not constantly the related that there is a reason why we had a sabbatical I guess you could cause the hiatus it now extended."

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" Now I mean I mean for many months the doctors to know if you ever regain your voice again."

" Because -- now with topical that because the other medical condition with totally taken care but. The fact that. I aids has spent many many years on radio and we did them rob and I both have been seven years. A -- talk radio show which is that. The technology -- to gather in my degree within rebroadcasting. In television that I hate. Those kind of a bit of it and just traffic yes it."

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" Yeah either slow but got a new house were actually recording this podcast. In a totally different kind of set up the rave reportable. You know we have the very professional studio for many years with our own. Radio show that we did in. We with a lot of media around the rim to stability hardly helping media would basically sitting on our coach that we watch TV the home theater doing our our podcast with two microphones promised to laptop so it's it's a little different recording situation. It's and that it works goodness -- it."

" Just a bookmark this time and space right now the Emmys are are playing. I'm I'm -- it starting at the result -- that's friends."

" We'll get to battle later."

" I want to give you quick rundown on what we're going to have talked about tonight the episode it and of course that the court supreme why do we pick this random that said he didn't -- any podcast per season for."

" We're only doing this one and starting well actually tomorrow will be the first episode."

" That season five the final season -- picked this one well it's the in me basically -- nominate -- written many nominated episode."

" For spader and the series because it was such an amazingly controversial episode how can make. Not to the court supreme."

" How it will take this storyline to storyline is really only two storyline there were three that one with on the cutting room floor so we're just gonna talk about first."

" I'm -- going for the Supreme Court."

" Will. Finish up the episode talking met Jerry Aspen since localized. And of course as we always have done we'll take a moment with a balcony hang out there with Alan and Denny and some Scotch. And -- Typical pick up a little bit at film that landed on the cutting apart are -- myth and it's happens that that if you watched it you didn't see. And robbed the very end we will bring up the noose."

" Yeah -- we'll talk to us from readings and we'll talk about what's -- what's coming up in the in the future and kind of have also wiggles performing out there -- in the bigger picture. But you know I think that this this episode -- me mention something. Is this very appropriate to the political environment the room right now I think I think Kim -- reasons some very good points. About the Supreme Court and how things attention and I think it was a very interesting I think and who helps people Finkel and about important topics."

" I think -- in on the Supreme Court lot perspective we are waiting to see if that's the liberal or conservative Atlantans."

" In the White House because -- and -- Justice Stevens can finally retired and he wants to protect."

" That particular leaning on the supposedly unbiased Supreme Court -- it that the conservative at that that Republican or Democrat we'll see how that changes the court when they appoint a new test with them."

" Just to reiterate this is episode seventeen of that season four. And there were only twenty episodes this season of the track hits you -- because that the writers strike."

" I was broadcast on April 222008. The writers for this episode no surprise here who whether it David utility in Jonathan. Shapiro. That's now."

" And Jonathan is back he's he's a good writer and now it on May mean the big Kelly obviously had his hand -- it. And distracted by property that -- Hannity now we mention that aired April 22. David. I just to put it perspective the writers' strike started November 5 lasted three month with upper February. 12. That's when they finally basically instead ends up with the pins down intact in November."

" And he started -- had a way of this episode it was the third episode to air after the strike in as originally called sacred cow."

" And that's kind of interesting because they count the does that mean kind of playing on you know these are these beliefs that. They did justices or maybe people have."

" That are untouchable very touchy topics include. And I kind of thought well maybe it's a planned mad cow may account with the crypt beneath affliction. But about a week after that was written the he -- into titles -- courts supreme and I think that someone added."

" He always wanted during the wrap -- the article to -- Supreme Court episode."

" You -- some of the article David Kelly. Did really sincerely thank this was going to collapse the team for possibly. In the -- heading that way he actually -- finale a few episodes later. With that in mind because the weapon actually known and I have to now layered it would be renewed for a short season. So excited switched to the Supreme Court depth. By the way speaking of the writers' strike this was the first."

" Drama series to start filming. After the writers' strike."

" Interest that was a very painful writers' strike for many people in in Hollywood I'm scientists as to the conversation there. A lot of people. Struggled financially for -- month."

" It just put in perspective how fast Eddie Kelly can look at that legal pad and transcribe an upset which I understand you write longhand on legal pads he -- the --"

" They couldn't actually pick up that ends -- twelve. This script with done."

" And filming began -- very twenty that that's pretty happy knowing and then wait for that because not the end to distribute the script and cast against ours."

" Speaking guest stars. Remain open and more. Although with -- Was originally written in the -- its as you may remember remain bowed out in a previous season."

" But he's made a few appearances since then and -- supposed to be in this one and it didn't actually happen this part though it was written in the original script. Was edited out before even came into film and that kind of Carl -- the -- America took over that sort of that. He came along to the Supreme Court with them which was originally Paul's instance going to do."

" We're gonna play some sound bites throughout this podcast but the first I want to play TI thought with a great fourth wall moment is actually the final words of dialogue in this whole episode of on the balcony theme. But. There's a regional want to play this -- you."

" But the real Wednesday's. Next week."

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" wins its next week. I think that was a little glimpse into the future who do you think this episode of the last Tuesday. Airing at Boston legal which at its normal night with the normal life of the last three years."

" And dead and it moved right the last few episodes of the season to Monday night to make room for home PBC I love you. -- that the that the decently. To make room for -- another push to keep women's murder club going."

" They wanted to move that to -- the united ad with a better match or whenever I'm sure it was done to benefit limits are not and not Boston legal."

" And women's -- club."

" Sorry I hit it it didn't do well on the ratings did pretty. Often into the DT."

" So it isn't just all about the time slot but but I think they've the they've often try to deliver -- that time slot because fossil -- always had a very good times. Two to launch it shows in the do that with -- Grey's Anatomy previously pushed. Boston -- law often that time slots look at launch cruise and having him that you know. And history is who have proven that want to be very successful."

" That's true that's right off the start out on Sunday night then moved in Tuesday's."

" Let us jump into these storyline about Supreme Court considers the case of Leonard Sarah that's the character that actually parallels very well. A real life. Situations going on exactly on time that's the script is written -- And it might also remind a lot of people the episode in season one the last episode of the season number seventeen where Allen. Went to taxes in fact another road trip to speculative in this episode. To Trent David Mann from death row that he -- that's an innocent man in death beat up -- rob. Television Emmy winning epithet for James spader hustle and Boston legal -- and so something about the death penalty cases and cut it to the owner."

" You know David. The Rembrandt of the pin and spader is the Mercedes-Benz of the actors and together they sort of just."

" Give us Emmy nominated --"

" Was a recall that was a very popular. You know. That that particular missile was very very very popular. Illinois drove a lot of fun traction on. Fossil legal dot org if you know when that Simpson came out the next day is like your your -- busiest traffic days in the history your website. Counseled those topics are you know resonate with people you know especially people who watched the show -- tend to be a little older. In real more thoughtful so I think it hits the mark."

" Point. And here we're gonna listen to crawl back pulling on the side too given the news that. There's going to be a very big case has very near future."

" Kristy were you -- second it's important. What's going on revenue client he raped an eight year old girl who's been convicted his lawyers come to us to have -- appeal specifically -- and you'll pass. The man was sentenced to death -- The appeals before the United States Supreme Court. Defeat United States Supreme Court."

" After Alan here's the news that that he and very well like with going to have to go before he announces record."

" Interns -- Paterson she's the attorney only limited experience having just going argue three cases and she needs Allen's expertise because she remembers the Texas case."

" I've read the transcription step case in Texas you're what I'm looking for the I have a slight waiting to Louisiana that's for the client is I'd like for you to meet him huh. Did you do us he -- they didn't. He has and I just haven't they found. Executions of the mentally disabled are unconstitutional it was never officially pronounced disabled as somebody like you only puts him in range but in Louisiana. Missouri governor. I'm from Louisiana."

" I'm sorry. Just when it comes in jokes are women like him -- resists achieve on this."

" Are you chief."

" So what -- Paterson presents to them has essentially road trip they're going. The run at a town to Louisiana at the same state that they wish to ease the previous. Emmy winning episode about Katrina. Anarchy remember Angel of death in him that was that beckons you and three day they went there with a very moving episode as well. It's interesting to note and I think it mentioned earlier this is an actual case that was happening at that time at this this being written as you remember. Episode aired in April. And it's the cream. Supreme Court was considering case along these same lines that they didn't actually make a decision on until June I'm gonna hold up but the decision was Toby. End of this segment but it. David Kelly did left very ambiguous we didn't address at all if how the Supreme Court ruled after Allen went before them. In that -- little different with Katrina. Katrina episode. That where he."

" With paralleling an actual cave expert doctor is on trial for basically the nineteenth patients that were abandoned -- Katrina hurricane."

" Doubt when he did get a verdict and."

" And that was before the reelect predict came in in the with all the controversy regarding that."

" But the real -- case with Patrick Kennedy. Was as a person who raped his step daughter -- way Patrick Kennedy is no relation to Justice Kennedy from Supreme Court to make that clear."

" And the question here before the court in real life than fiction. Was that she said it it's not so much. If you know the death penalty should happen that -- if the death and it -- happened. To."

" A person who did not kill a person apart her and since 1964. I think from like fifty years no one has been put to death. For anything other than murder. And in this case. With Patrick Kennedy there with the -- only have a child. A fifteen year stepdaughter that was the issue of course and this episode it's also an issue. Mentally competent to stand trial as well here in a minute. That was never proven in the lower K court case so that he with. A lower IQ so that couldn't actually be argued. Now this is something at -- going on -- Has an opinion about this so let's hear what happened when -- found out that that Allen's mind that Supreme Court."

" Little field trip home. Secure going to the Supreme Court without me. Notice is here kind of case if it's before the supreme court's -- decline raped a child asks I taught me. Denny only thing missing from delicacies and appeared for the highest court to -- my best friend has the power to make -- happen act he. Didn't tell. And I think the Supreme Court. Isn't the place for my nonsense specialists. Yours. I completely. Conservative and Catholic I did. From a murder trial in January when I rose up improve the world. -- Click. I can't actually. Dreamed about us and Britain and you've -- totally bought them the chance."

" what's going on between the glass and there was."

" I hadn't accomplished. Then she -- I'm gonna. When you and I can tell us then yes."

" That. Everything. To me."

" Rob what do you wanna. Guess what happened listed vehicle that they make another ticket. Yeah he was split it wasn't with a little controversy. Known him with Allen going. Trend of pleads his case to to accept him on in on the bench. Both I was real interest saying that. But the Denny was. Was willing to kind of give apple that are prior to to ask for that because it it does seem like that little bit beneath him -- kind of big for that opportunity you know."

" The point. -- fact that on our cat character is pretty much had a connection when he heard -- is coming along now there's methodical thing but. -- did manages it down our country down to Louisiana through Angola state prison to meet with Lenny Leonard Sarah and."

" Can I get a feel for it they all ended up going on the trip to. -- DC politics -- trying to understand this and."

" But it was very moving I -- the actor that played Lehman's -- an amazing guy and he member his his IQ is a pretty low around seventy. But he definitely get the feeling that he sincerely did not commit this crime."

" In often times that's the case you know there's there's evidence is circumstantial evidence and people. Often times point two African American. More than -- point to you know you know white person even known you know. They don't really know for sure -- Unfortunately but that's what happens."

" So let we argue before the court tomorrow they probably won't make a decision right away so we all have to be. Patient but what about. You know don't smoke. Does that count there goes through scripture in church -- him."

" You tell them I didn't do it right money for the purpose of this appealed I have to listen you can't."

" I want you to tell them I didn't. I want to ask them not to kill me."

" I know some guys want to -- I don't take too. I need to compel them to."

" Danny -- had to make a little joke about FEMA to be slowed up that you're in charge of FEMA. Excuse me David telling me that to hook her up and I guess that was obviously Denny was in the room I forgot that I that he didn't go to -- he did. That ought to set up a basically a mock her moot court that the kind where they have every all the justices are there. I've represented by different people and me basically get a boot camp and how to. Present before it's been courts and different roles. Very much subservient much more than normal court in that's really well Denny and Alan. That's pretty grilling situation and it's convicting the M attorney William Connolly of the character menu to stand in for Kennedy."

" Each time Allen tried to ask a question -- make an argument before the McCourt."

" that you have a home like that you're done at the end you know okay either disaster the hoopla it's not. Not flying very well with this impertinent attitude."

" But a way to kind of played it down attorney who represented the that they Kennedy who is Bob Benton and -- down. Definitely as many people that are -- stars on the show a veteran David. LA law."

" And he is also Star Trek the next generation must not forget -- tie -- with Star Trek we'd like to mention that they are."

" Many in regular home assume that's for sure for packet."

" and move into the fact that that they're heading now into the Supreme Court this quite an exciting thing to see because. Not surprisingly they were not able to book the actual justices that he on the epithet. So -- producer candidates and made that quote in and and articles that would cast as close as we could to the real justices. We dyed their hair -- lots of makeup we also started with a genius to than our casting equipment. So if something gets there that they hired to play like Justice Scalia the rebate -- here and just as my little."

" I guess that six degrees of separation like to bring in what they've had experienced that David -- your start track. This this particular actor with the night court judge back in -- in the collapse that our season whine when -- our win before."

" The court dressed as Batman and Robin in the Halloween episode. -- can do in line. That the that the it's clear he was the micro judge health. He's the pay attention to -- Kelly's Alli McBeal. And he was on the Alley LA law and the practice and even it justice in picket fences and other David."

" He was an -- and star track -- voyager. Andy was in the film Star Trek first contact. As a -- eight I think. Even deep space nine and he's been on Murphy Brown so this guy. I don't know who work outside and -- it's so much rent them."

" The newest justice on the Supreme Court Justice Roberts is sort of stand in -- who is that. John pose the and he was in Chicago opened the -- Kelley series."

" Yeah -- him like of both the representation of the Supreme Court was was pretty good I mean it was very very believable. It looked like took the factors that they selected to be on the Supreme Court actually did have resemblance to. The true you know Supreme Court -- since I was I was pretty impressed with the thought David Killen did a really good job with the."

" That's -- with an accounting parent."

" This is gonna end up in the coming employment I think it's. Worth mentioning here is that the night before the Supreme Court has written in the original script that Alan Denny had a little incidents at the White House. Actually there at the reference to it in the about the team to play in the end they talked about there able to White House close and but we never saw that the episode."

" But Kelly whenever they did think it had been involved trying to use the restroom in the White House and been great. At that landed them in jail."

" And I think it was originally written it could have been even -- Lewiston came to syndicate manager and then in the changed Carl sack and then none of that actually made it into the series. But what did happen the night before that we did see ways to do any. It'll William Shatner getting to do a little song and dance in a nightclub. In DC there of the dancing -- my behalf --"

" I the chorus girl. That's typical David. There always seems like this recurring. Kind of music. In the the -- kind of sequence than duty -- thousands --"

" Little -- thing I think a lot of people picked up and I am curious if he did you see and that whole arts sequences because -- this is DC -- is like where lawmakers are paying him out. Did you see one guy like your kind. And little puppy around eighth lot of girls playing him on hand over the dark area bar presidents who have looked a lot like at certain. William. Jefferson Clinton oh huh huh what a."

" Making making another statement right now. Values and pay anything -- this I think that was already eluded him."

" I came back kept the we now we're approaching that actual Supreme Court scene in there and you're gonna be treated to. A few minutes the full ten minute argument before the Supreme Court."

" Eight in its entirety on Boston to actually about org and other places I'm sure."

" Allen goes right through it for a Nikki starts out pretty calm he struck out trying to follow the."

" Rules. Minute to midnight and the kind of cringed at some of the some of the comments that he would -- or how realistically I would be in in in the real world."

" Back up a target impertinent -- like all kept on and on making that side bet it's it's totally funny."

" put down 50000 dollars that if Allen can get Clarence Thomas to speak."

" I didn't realize this but evidently the -- have not spoken from the bench at all not open for like two years. And when it."

" They ended Allen has to make of these attempts within we're not gonna play every bit deprived him -- peek in on any actually actually succeed it's not elements booted out of I want. And --"

" So so take a moment and and listen to some of the wire. Intense part that. Counterargument. Taking the justices the past blew off topic from his. Mission to present when it's there's --"

" Actual."

" Innocence is not something you get to argue well how silly is that. You're deciding whether or not to tell someone and his possible innocence is irrelevant mr. shore I don't like your demeanor your tone. And I would remind you of where you war. I know exactly where I am mister chief justice and in the Supreme Court. Of the United States and let me tell you folks aren't as hot as all get out Turco let's consider your respective senate confirmations you all testified under oath that you never actually considered how you would rule on abortion you must be kidding me. Every little -- don't perjury there. Justice Scalia -- went duck hunting with Vice President Cheney while he was a named defendant in the case before this court congratulations on not getting shot by the way -- didn't exactly avoid the appearance of impropriety there. Justice -- you're probably hearing a case involving accompanied invested hundreds of thousands of dollars and up no conflict of interest there you also don't recuse yourself and terrorism cases even -- your best friend is Michael Chertoff head of Homeland Security seems to me the Supreme Court of the United States should be made of sterner stuff -- right Justice Thomas -- on the magazine very. I really don't think you mean to come after us council but I do. In your short term as Chief Justice this court with your narrow majority has turned back the clock on civil rights school segregation equal protection free speech abortion campaign finance you've been overtly and shamelessly pro business making it impossible for some plaintiffs are so much is sue corporations especially big oil big tobacco some got to go after you. ExxonMobil make over forty. Billion dollars in 200740. Billion and -- nineteen years after the bodies oil spill plaintiffs are still waiting to be fully compensated for us is going if you want to overturn the verdict altogether because there's other companies all chipped up and up -- but he was a front. And they knew it. Perhaps the best choice to pilot 53 million gallons of crude oil through an environmentally sensitive area you're getting so far all point my point is cool -- You've transformed this court from being a governmental branch devoted to civil rights and liberties into a protector of discrimination a guardian of government a slave to -- interest in big business and today hallelujah you see developmentally disabled man. I'm curious as a group how many executions if you'll actually witnessed."

" I'm sorry that's. Yeah there. But it -- five."

" And it is the most inhumane. Cool and on as usual hypocrisy. Of a system that promises to be just -- ask you leave your personal politics out of this and I ask you to do exactly the -- the Supreme Court was intended to be free and unadulterated by politics is out dominated by. Your hand picked by presidents with ideological agendas and a -- to a dozen 54 decisions in your 20062007. Term nineteen broke straight across ideological lines that's politics. And why you claim to be against judicial activism you re wrote a check that. Inventing new law to decide a presidential election for God's sake it's actually it's going to be an at least have the decency to put your names on ballots but the rest of the politicians so the we the people employed."

" Mr. shore. You have said quite enough. Now you might consider using what little time you have remaining to represent your client and sit in your own left wing agenda. Yes."

" I think that rob. I think that the constitution -- uphold and -- make some very good points. And and it's. It kind of made me cringe a little bit because you know trying to confront people like is. It's a difficult thing to have to do now -- really to be commended for his. His his cuts and presenting. To the Supreme Court and that I think there's a lot of people who would how would like to do the same thing."

" An image you actually nothing stops people on the blogs. I'm on talk radio in and all kinds commentary places that. To tell what we really -- especially after that the gore bush election and what they decided. Men went -- such close vote."

" And in personal thoughts -- things."

" And certainly the US Supreme Court has become more political. On -- the the last few years losing question."

" You know the -- might he does go on and talk about -- Sarah and that specific case between then play it. -- point that. He didn't make which actually argue against what elements trying to present with and to think this is a case where this thing if there's only -- the child that that's not a punishable by death situation. Only if there with the killing of a child or anybody could that be considered it in the death for the death penalty. Does that not then if you can argue that criminals have the premeditation situation that they're somehow affected by what the punishment could be. Which -- an arguable point. That -- then rape and then murder the child because it's the same punishment if it -- group. And -- they'd have a bigger chance of getting away with it because there would be no. Witness. Reply."

" yeah I think of the whole distinction of a child rape over any rate I think is news really kind of an emotional reaction. And is based on really any kind of from truth. -- at any rate is equally. Traumatic and I think that you can make a case. And you know child may not even understand what's happening to them. Yeah versus an adult might be marked the end of the year exactly so the whole concept of that somehow it and no child rape as somehow. More more egregious than any other type of activity as a criminal can do. As and then it's not sure it's on on the mark but you know and it's it's kind of political alteration I guess at this point but it seems like -- common -- kind of thing."

" So what was the decision of this for imported it's fictional part that they with a -- well we don't know if I mentioned before. And and it's -- atop the money earlier sound -- is there -- we won't know the answer this for sometimes you have to be patient."

" And that's what happens is -- try to go there it doesn't give us the wrapped up bending like he'd you do in a court case you see the verdict is he the guy in the jury read the verdict. But we don't know that here and again this aired in April a few months later the actual Supreme Court justice in real life. Two point five became dammit -- a 54 ruling. That child rapists cannot be -- acute. Which basically did the the capital capital punishment. Crimes against as they say quote individuals can be played only ten murders and this is actually from. The big statement made by a -- written by Kennedy says we conclude that in determining whether the death penalty is excessive."

" There is a distinction. Between intentional first degree murder on the one hand in non homicide crimes against individual persons. Even including child -- on the other."

" Now that children convulsions and no number that's probably didn't it's murder and that's that's the distinction that that drives drives -- different."

" So that Patrick Kennedy which is the real life depended. With not executed he's Remington printer obviously the rectified in this fictional we -- if it all the things we don't now. Unfortunately remained in prison in mind that doesn't do it and quality prison."

" And no there was someone that was put to death for rape alone. That was back in 1960s. For it has -- though that's been upheld. Script and we don't Karl fact. Where is the poll Lewiston the second half the box and legally at least the one that kind of -- just -- have to do -- wait finger waving. For the impertinent. Off topic rants that aren't you before it's required. But everybody was quite charmed you how this next sound bite into which is. -- doing his administrative thing. And then giving a little backhanded compliment on short debate as Alan and Denny and Carl walk back into the main points men as they come back. From Washington DC this is what we hear me."

" Just clarifies that you develop market and should we lose. This does not count my course -- I don't plan to end up eighteen and want to get my drift."

" 12. For the record though some lawyers were found your little informants who wrote today and say well you really are something. You where it's not the policy crane Poole and Schmidt to a tar dismissed. Disrespect the Supreme Court of the United States. And should you ever have opportunity to revisit the great call you'll conduct yourself in about a more commensurate with the values and policies that this firm notwithstanding. There are those who might think. You really."

" Law Carl he likes Allen at the thunder creek. And I'll let it. It's worth mentioning again that -- record we hope is to remain."

" Unbeaten always the technically that's what not if it even if it is true he just wanted to sit up there with --"

" That brings -- to the conclusion of story line one two. The court supreme. The second story line and actually originally I should say there -- three story lines. But one has dropped in Houston at two episodes later that the second story line that final storyline was. Between Jerry Atkinson and Dana Strickland who are. Recently. Acquainted this is her second -- we are first in the apps that prior to this. Where Gerri mentions that he met this beautiful woman named to Dana."

" Over the break and I think that -- that with a fourth while moment's pain both collect a but the writers strike break."

" And then are thinking exit over the strike content. And -- actors that they've they've brought in I was thrilled to see that they had pride in Rachel a fever which is. She was a woman that had already been cast in Davie Charlie's much anticipated that BBC remake of life on Mars. And -- she was cast as the one female detective in life on Mars. And fortunately newly found that several months later in a negotiation in part to bring back possibly the perfect season. Life on Mars with a negotiated right -- Kelley's hands and back to ABC who have been saw victory caps on only her part. -- part."

" But everybody's part in fact. The whole crew has been shot moved to a different city and that's a different -- on a different podcast to put it. Back to Boston legal ritual played the character of Dana."

" But it's still the same story and then I mean I've seen both -- the one them. -- in the previous doing yet. No that's true we saw the pilot without David Kelly pilot though it now there was almost no -- exactly the same as V receiver."

" All right I think now. Be interesting to see this then that ADT non David -- version. Kept them out I would like it could record mall based rituals part. But yeah I liked I gotta tell you and I first want the pages that that's the -- that previous to the current supreme when he. Pride -- girlfriend per carry I was thrilled. With the choice of the character's name why. Because Dana."

" Pull of course at that."

" Dana is the the first -- to use quite often in the Boston legal series planet for nothing then think well yes that is -- it's come up a few times you know. Thank you Dana thank you Dana I think is -- the brings back memories -- sitting in the though the pool with the milk I think is not the flowers and saying you know telling noon the wait staff who's helping them -- something -- that I remember correctly. Thank you Dana thank you do we I think he played over and over can on the podcast."

" And I'm not going to be quite the unstoppable about half that. This time but that in a little fantasy you know I I just have to say I know that it's not."

" They didn't do with me in -- although I passe and me put you never know only and in Boston legal -- had been devoting hours and hours than."

" Hundreds of dollars testicles so I'm I'm sure -- there writers you read the forum and full full web site you would think."

" But you know let I have to be honest -- you know who'd been head. Is the president. Twenty century -- A woman named Dana. -- who are any indicator to throw around the fans night or they're -- the 20th Century Fox."

" Well that's the -- and that's in that's probably good point but you know but who actually does more for them to help with their audience. Many youths at the Daytona this -- this thing."

" So that says let's. Let's take a little moment to listen to Jerry actually how he opens this whole episode has opened with cheery red faced. Excitedly coming into work walking through the -- the crane Poole and Schmidt and he encounters on this co workers."

" hello welcome everything I guess hello welcome. JFK's -- heady shrink K I'm fine. So your. She's completely stop it I'm 500."

" Jerry would commit to -- What's going under the group couldn't that she is perfect."

" I lost my cherry."

" You're going to lead."

" The prince -- is -- not been like in theory that you know uses ING on everywhere he's very proper. And it. -- you waiting for someone that they you know problem occupancy. Keep my eye out or it could happen if the ruled on the whole would continue to."

" Well -- happiness doesn't last that long because. As -- to discover a lower range of runs in -- is one of the newer attorneys there. Brands into Kerry and Dana in the offices and an awkward situation happens and after carrying Dana leave. --"

" Acadia and explains. The situation. This needs to be kept confidential."

" Terry's girlfriend. In his kitchen and a -- She works for me."

" I think -- I didn't entirely different for a -- six. And in London office. You -- imagined."

" I am. It's. Dana is going to feel good so she's not high price school come."

" Yeah campaigns call girl who do not know -- I could find it. You know peculiar habit polar rain installment brothel business for the -- in the earlier that the came out early in the -- early in the season it. He did this in London she -- that come the United States she's obviously a high priced lawyers and by the top firms. -- firms in Boston but he does feel -- need to supplement her income with Internet. Hookups the I don't know about the but obviously it's not just so much for the in camera in the end at first thought the question that -- much it's paying taxes on it but."

" rather than usual because it's it's like she's to see her girls third it's all done on line. But -- that was really interest income twist to her. Her portrayal of those foods like she's able to do it up almost almost. From an anonymous perspective. Teaches you meet the girls who don't like this online kind of matchmaking. Website or something went that it's really anonymous which Richard. I didn't know those things really existed quite like -- online and actually. Emperors club -- I mean the real tiny and kind you know collateral types."

" If you meet them how to achieve and maintain that the perhaps -- assure everyone and their high priced in the you know of the utmost quality in them."

" People can be you know that you can be a dog on the Internet right I mean that's the old saying not that."

" People are part but this storyline is really more -- jury and how this impacts -- his perception of of Dana. And whether or not he wants to keep that relationship going and I -- really is. I can totally see his conflict in his mind about you know. Whether or not he should. Trust this person that kind of deceived him actually."

" We -- if this is question is that this deception or is that just leading off some. Information anti become close sort of person and they know you for you could seem like she's quite. What he does that she loves them she does seem enamored of him it doesn't seem like -- deploying."

" And now that's that's certainly true book but I think when you're dealing with -- with love and you're dealing with these emotions. That is a very personal thing its that if the you know I'm sure. -- really like being thought of -- like. You know this is this is the only -- of the issues involved with don't know she can really feel -- he can really feel that way."

" I didn't get the impression that she was a human talked well. They tell care in -- and Katie going to tell Terry what took Pincus."

" I was live wasn't so sure about that one man known -- the judge no jury would react to that some oftentimes you hear those tennis situations were. But the person he gets angry at the people that came in and you know then kicked and -- the world."

" Convention lineup after obviously had this reaction of -- night I can't deal with their. Katie comes in and tries to actually convince them to give her chance -- why did she tell him in the first place but. Kid maybe she's trying to amend for those those things that Jerry says you know I I broke up -- not but he. And you Democrats argue that's funny though packed creepy and funny that when Katie came -- to plead the case of Dana that that's a -- and had a chance. There was someone standing in the corner -- office."

" Jury has stalled there's definitely the smooth the slowed him. This kind of I -- plot line and even with -- of having you know it he he he surely dole. So basically this pattern and all yeah -- and did Allen ever have a -- don't think you're well I think."

" He really wanted to borrow the surely at all -- and I think he did getter -- o'clock on certainly. --"

" So yes he reconnect with -- is that. We re connected he tells Katie whether that means in my scripture which you do have -- Did not happen."

" The episode it leaves us questioning whether the kick -- ever come back to him and actually she does come back for one more episode. -- but we're left basically knowing that they're not going to be back together with a couple."

" And it brings us to the final and always wonderful balcony theme the slow is a -- part then I drink an unspoken. Israel in near times article spader quote we're stated says that I think sometimes that the whole episode is just to -- tickets to the balcony with the equipment and."

" That's the part that everybody looks forward to."

" How secure Leo would rupture a blood -- C Alito isn't so but it -- collection girls and the prince. I really mean you don't attack happens. But I always makes sense. The thing. Okay this I admire him. -- Into the Supreme Court and fight for prince will be released the ball. How many people have such a -- Actually sees it. You made me proud. My favorite part was really good player installed you could talk -- boy oh. Yeah. We got to see the -- it was a close it's close is -- small. You see Germany is really. Just. -- woman as us. -- and the terrorists can. Purchase. -- Sometimes wonder. But the -- part of my legacy. We will someone. Stand up at my funeral and say that man it mercy in this hard. I didn't kill it didn't. -- for capital punishment. But -- there. I read. Somewhere. Make time trend we'll look to a special. Doing. First name okay. -- Where to next. I think -- okay. Because we're not. We're not. -- But the real Wednesday's. Victory. That's when not."

" It is okay. I'm okay now."

" NATO go to Wednesday next week you've heard it that was exactly the report while breaking if they."

" Implied that next week indeed. Boston would be on on Wednesday's. And -- you heard him make that reference staying said that we've seen the White House up close."

" And no one knew what that really meant rather than they -- the white house of their NBC but again that was the cutting room floor saying that we actually got arrested."

" And heck that's into jail for some incident that the constant."

" The other -- sweeping -- the cutting room floor the other. Storyline that was actually supposed to be -- step of that and I don't see how it could have been because -- the forty minute episode. And obviously. There was no room for into crammed. Was that -- versus the Catholic Church that's messy pile we've seen her in the past as -- Winger the and monotone attorney that's been -- hit some that she actually. This is an episode where he was quite want to be ordained women in the church and Catholic Church anyway that's this episode comes back. I'm into more episodes than toward the end of season -- so it just cut shifted another little bit that ended up on the cutting room floor with. -- when did he was talking to -- is the best lawyer he's ever known. The very popularly moment and that means that he wanted to give Allen's fatherly advice."

" You know just go there and be challenge -- Court."

" And mentioning that advised that the father I mean that's a bad advice reminded Alan. He told they need -- story Bennett's father. That we never hear about Alan's parents and has been tons of conjecture on the forums. About Helen's mother."

" Who want to see play Alan's mother happened. What was the situation but in this case Alan."

" Imparted in the script. That never mated to air that met his father when -- is going to lost close father come mocked him and he said mocking -- that. He asked Alan if you ever going to argue -- Supreme Court. And Allen and wonders aloud if that wasn't the best mount a patient's father in Africa and."

" Amendments to Tina. --"

" I mean that's the that's likely the Super Bowl of being a lawyer -- argued in front of the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court."

" And we brother says he am like delivered -- and that's actually motivation that publicly propel them for."

" Now from a McKinney Libya negative thing nerve in what's kind of depends on the personality of the person in the securing meant to be motivated her can be a disincentive. I can and I can never you know meet up with the expectations. Include those kind of things can go either way."

" And I didn't get depressed none of it when crop with the that this Tim Allen began gaps that the elements like you know. Panting for the opportunity do any -- spent time."

" Yeah don't think -- really one of the news of the pressure of going from for the Supreme Court I think him and crystal Allen is very pelted in this in this. Sequence -- knew he does a terrific job but he's very reluctant. In -- that's been consistent across the whole series. The cities he's done things. It seems like that. He knows is right it it's also it doesn't come easy to -- me there was a price to pay I guess what I meant."

" That's period service for a man who watched countless hours. And possibly call Cuba. -- like to end at the podcast with a little bit of news and that they can be timely but -- I think you have some news about this particular episode that might be of interest. Yet."

" And I've got some readings information here. This this particular episode brought in about nine point 93 million viewers and have a a reading on number of two point 74 of the audience eighteen to 49. And for some were reference here's the -- first. Of the season four of the first episode of the season for brought in about ten point three million and the highest four in the season for. Is the sequence was ten point six sold this up so little bit under the kind split was a respectable number I would say. And was up from the previous week of army point 84 million view so we actually have a little -- to a that wasn't wasn't the highest but the --"

" I'm -- got to remember is they've been off for several months. Because of the strike. And this is like third episode back so the patrol while to build the audience and -- is the previously little bit lower this thinks the open. Hired -- moving in the right direction."

" Boston legal though is. Those -- the in the eighteen to 49 demo it it is skews a little all the -- so it's been very strong in the 49. And over crowd them or -- which which is. Two X lot of sense when you think about the of the storyline and and the the actors and they're there they're older and in indefinitely appeals to that -- audience and and you know us having an interest in the shows kind of reflecting of of that -- were recorded in the 49 category but. But I think it's in the you know in the forty used to the fifties ranger I think that's kind of the sweet spot for Boston legal. And it's kind of unusual these days to have a series who appeals to that demo I think."

" is have to count the number of car and then Boston legal you know -- the advertisers -- that's a bad thing -- north course -- in the the fluid sex and I think also -- Michael smart cerebral than."

" Well a yeah yes certainly is and also it you know has a very I think -- Disposable income so you know those -- Torres served after appropriate for this series. That's probably why it's lasted -- closet houses does appeal to a very high incoming you know life. Worked for many CEOs. It's a little softer companies have worked for and they'll tell me the big fans of Boston legal -- the role in my -- their forties to fifties range."

" That's rank that's right it is interesting actually. Score some points when when rob that though my wife to the -- in the -- Catholic I'm like yeah you know he's got a great."

" I do have some breaking news the -- popping in here because some even though this is."

" We're talking about a show that was back in April 08. We actually recording an instance that the September."

" Let the data -- its clients' -- it."

" And the 21 at September 08 and that's the night at the -- in either actually in progress right now it's 2 o'clock at night. On the west coast and but we do now because of the tape delayed because of friends from the east coast but."

" Boston legal which is up for went to three how many seven nominations. Lost and --"

" One. -- well -- we can't feel too sorry for them they've actually brought in quite a few. Piece of her were over the years -- the series -- globes sag awards Danny's. Humanity has so Mark Foley to spell it surprised this well I think done. Do speeders brought in most Florida where I think yeah."

" And unelected seeing the series win for best dramatic it hadn't hat and I think the -- for me not even a people's trade for something but. -- But that's spader and Shatner definitely won their share the minutes to campus when it often."

" It's in a different genre of flowed from. I don't think it's is dramatic. I mean it's probably not the best dramatic series -- the topic here I think it is probably. The you know there's some comedy in there there are some silliness there's -- Drama Diego Vegas is -- is the correct term and there's no room category for. --"

" Only in it I think both with the last -- before there was a lot of talk about. Mean if you create a category for the effect that's -- Clinton house in the Oakland that are half drama half comedy. I hope Christian Clinton won last year that's right he won an Emmy for a guest star -- irregular and it's here now. Also I want a quick mention just this week."

" Pick a day or so ago the New York Times -- that excellent articles always great to be written in the New York Times for Boston legal. I don't want to put a quote because they actually cut -- to tell you -- the man."

" Q there are many interviews I don't know why you very rarely hear from him -- very rarely is up in Palo Alto wave kind of away from."

" The hub -- of Hollywood -- you know the man writes it's a writer is not talker. I understand and appreciate that but I'd love to hear him talk more."

" David please come on that's podcasts from time."

" It's about a do want to throw in a quote there I thought it was a good encompassing quote them compelling on -- the New York Times."

" And his -- Syria has become well actually the New York Times."

" Make this right on state dominated the series become equivalent of a weekly video Op Ed column for a Kelly uses -- sort of real like it's the number of the matters that are troubling him yet that is a video update call --"

" The you know nothing wrong with you know I I do love it and this explains why."

" In this quote franchises once I thought it was he responsible for producers to be spouting his own views and rants."

" Have since become convinced we are living in a time where is -- irresponsible. Not. We're witnessing the death of debate."

" I agree. Well actually I think two thirds and there's still debate this is Promos and -- is the ball size or not approaching the debate with an open mind carried -- thorough. Always approaching it from. From their perspective only and they only want to hear their perspective only -- want to hear full size solutions."

" This man who will sit all day with MSNBC on -- and why does this work in this kind of haven't on the background and use the tons of non debate argue hmm."

" Twelve that in and night I'd like to listen to both sides of arguments. And it's -- if you listen to full size you can hear. What both sides are saying you can make up your own mind."

" That's a big act when. I mean people spoke about -- Kelly yes the key people are gonna say well he has -- represented in the conservatives and did you that offense is Alan representing that. Liberals Allen as a reason -- intelligent. Let's set aside from that permanent and say that in every court case you have very accomplished attorneys with. That are representing may be the conservative side that are to have great arguments and could you know really. But you know that's the debate is in court. Not that -- says you know you have to shoot a gun at her weaker held the united looking Rick Morris."

" David -- that's right he studies both sides he writes both sides. In a reasonable way and then and actually sometimes TV and makes Allen the buffoon and a centimeter -- vitality -- you know."

" Well also button and possibly also already in syndication to. On the ion TV network. They're beginning -- they're Boston legal season one through four. That started on the eighth of September it did he PM depends on where you can where you live in the country but."

" I think if they can Mondays at eight which I think is pitching to them and this is the new time for Boston legal at ten -- can watch the rerun at eight to and we -- Watch the episode attend. And that happen. All Boston legal all night to put -- as quickly before we finish up understood -- he's what and what's ahead and we've got nine episodes actually in the Canon almost in the can't. Nine at the twelve remaining twelve episodes in season five. To thirteen hours the -- the twelfth episode with a two hour finale."

" It's been hampered."

" And if so they're they're data turns trends through it and equities and I think we're dealing yet with ABC that he right every episode."

" Which I think he was going to anyway. And some of the topics to spend TV for season five to look forward to the first episode of the gang there -- the -- client whose father smoked cigarettes they're taking on big tobacco. The -- died after smoking for fifty years surprising. -- answer them. But the daughter is is taking big tobacco task that's something we've seen in the practice it's it's been done but it. You know what the end detergent."

" I did he also faces erectile dysfunction."

" Probably due to the 21. Let's hope her crop so self prescribed meant that he takes."

" That's strike comes back to haunt. She's in -- episode two. Virginia's hospitalized with toxic stock shock syndrome. You know it's not because that. --"

" I think probably not that -- that's a whatsoever that term unless it's. This just from all the -- implement these on."

" Now -- And also Allen's going to sue the pharmaceutical industry. Because. What they're going to Danny. By advertising you know take these -- to feel better about it economic and I think. Also. A fifteen year old girl allegedly raped by carded a private drug facility. And that case 'cause. You know in front of the court to Boston legal. And Carolina -- granddaughter we sign a previous season comes back in. Our bet that's the case stemming from. Boating falsifying records and -- thank -- point fifteenth. Month and is out."

" Yeah. There -- some dvds coming out here include the season four dvd sets is set to hit the market September 23. And Amazon has already shipping as of this podcast keeping that the September 20. So and then also season 124. Complete set his such release on September 23. And Amazon has -- for 50% off for about a hundred bucks so you can order that runoff for the Boston Daschle legal dot org. Our website store. And actually that. That -- percent is there really goes to Dana help support. The podcast and the pin in the website an old man with -- there."

" It's it's like a dollar to -- sale but you know if you saw what we have to pay to call computer server. Where hundreds and hundreds of dollars a month -- yet -- about them yeah."

" So anything will help -- this is once they have David."

" Very well they're losing."

" There's other uses for our servers -- four Culkin and web servers but. No we also host of the people's web sites and stuff too -- isn't just Boston legal that we can you."

" There -- people we don't charge rates and exactly."

" Thanks for listening to wire and Boston legal podcast. Yeah thank you very much rob for being here and adding color."

" let me say speaking from the the of the Boston legal community are speaking for the Boston legal community thank you Dana for brief stir in the podcast again. And thank god for my -- back yes I'm I'm I'm definitely thankful that that she has fully returned."

" And this is to continue doing podcast for the remainder and sees them five. So -- we don't yell at me. With the and until next time remember this."

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