Title: Insider's Briefing on the Pivotal Nation of Pakistan

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" Mr. you know. Trustees of the center. And implement. It here for me to be -- gone to school like coffee. Normally -- Michael if you mechanic and it. You know diplomat today look at. It through the dissenting from the -- gave. Up at the crack of dawn. So didn't. Who knew when it -- it. From the football to you a bit. On the box done this nation chip. I have kept my month. Short. Essentially because I fees it is great to which you promoted active. Session so that -- go. Box that in the US have been the closest of allies like -- in -- history. From Pakistani membership. Of the US let's can go and Seattle security it means in the fifties critic. Extending into the mid sixties. Ordered by a joint effort to fight the Soviet invasion of honest and that 79 and I was in Washington. And since two token and one. A joint effort to defeat that is them not agent. These media types of closeness and friendship have been in -- Unfortunately. Phases of mutual suspicion. It is instructive to see how doable and -- At night of the US has also come can be known as the most sentient. And I hope that you. In 1970. BB game before -- against -- a number of sanctions would -- put an idea for reasons. Pakistani. And the US support it fund date and treating. What because -- got eighteen in a punished on. From with India upon us pakistanis. And some other nationalities and you know with Osama bin Laden. This cooperation. That could defeat of the Soviets. -- on and ultimate victor. Unfortunately opportunities Victorino and it's -- The attention all of this great nation was directed -- leaving Pakistan and and it's done. To contended that wreckage off the -- It and I believe it -- Of the -- to lower marks and present day parliament. The US believing. That -- longer needed Pakistan chose to invoke. Punitive exhibitions such as the symington. And Pressler. Amendment and -- many cases the bucks for a second and so on the boat buck -- nuclear program. This -- in the relationship continued. Through the nineties this what this time of two of the water logged in of honest on and he left. While the other Qaeda as well as the who hold that thought about. Has this this -- don't do enough India conducting nuclear tests in May 1998. Followed by Betty offensive electric leaving north tries to buck -- but to combat deaths of six or. These tests this edited and fresh. Sanctions and don't slate. In bucks done US mission continues and -- simple McCain -- who don't. Ladies and gentlemen yet it was months that game of and it's not. In the wake of 9/11 that -- that relationship. Ultimately brought to the present day. We're pakistanis once -- An important ally and a French landscape this time -- flight movement that is that if I have I -- it protested. I valued that on 9/11. I landed in question of August. On that day. Predict oxide is playing a pivotal role in the fight against al-Qaeda and on about. If the international. Coalition against terrorism is that team pakistanis the inevitable that you don't -- it's -- Pakistan has an escaped some of the most senior Qaeda leaders. And rooted out -- the -- strong votes from private better. But -- has also -- and some of the heaviest X. We have lost more than 600 soldiers. And it wounded like that many would indeed operations. Davie had. 85000. Troops in our private Lydia. Which is about 120. The size of -- average of 5000 what you have 40000. Coalition forces in and India. Vick is pretty -- We believe that despite every effort by Pakistani. -- found not be able to prove it over the tennis. Unless it is close to improve governance. Reduce the order to lot of notes. Eliminate corruption. And up ruled the drug mafia. These problems out uncle foment the economic and pitched to autism and extremism foolish. It it. Our Oxford and secure. And it's given up on the stunt is in the best interest of boxed up. It is in the best in traditional Pakistani and its strategic equation. Pakistani ladies and gentlemen is fighting extremism and edit them. In its national interest the sites supporting the question what. And this fiscal bushel on vision often economically way but it socially at large and politically. Stable Pakistan at peace with it says its neighbors and the put it out. In this respect strategies ballistic encompassing the use of force. Meaning the hearts and minds minds of the people. And mainstreaming. That this guy. This is pretty much -- and distort but we can talk about this. -- convinced that men use of force. Will not go away. The menace off it has to be more than just using this site. An essential element of this holistic strategy. Is. -- Clinton. Is investment in education. I can definitely important. And education of poverty. The -- of rich. I think creates the environment for extremism and that is more of this. As Pakistani fights extremism and edit them to a -- beat amex's strategy. We expect understanding and support from friends record states in -- public announcements. As statement that though. Intentions. And efforts were in behind. 8 am deeply concerned about being cookies mistrust that that is going between -- and the United States. Perceptions are being created hit that box it's not doing enough right. But this problem the other genuinely believes. That we are doing more than not shared lifting more than the rate that we should be if we challenge the allegations of the existence all candidates safe havens in Pakistan. Such allegations we understand which unsubstantiated. At best. Yep by analyzer that is rejected by pakistanis and -- atmosphere for a we do not deny that the -- we'd be on some elements of -- In our -- We have Norton. These elements can be best of odd information and we don't have it back and permission. Yeah effect meant it. Hiding in caves. And remote -- and I believe it nor have the capacity on attacks and essentially. On. An example of the growing mistrust between our two nations. Is that negative language against Pakistani injected in the business entity. This thing to implement. 9/11 commission recommendations. And which has recently been -- by the congress. The language of sections dealing with pakistanis. We can unfit. And Norton -- and at night at best it really made the jump. Off the government the Pakistani. Pretty difficult. The Pakistani people believed that they being made a fall guy for the failures of the allied forces. And honest and full attention being delicate we have not. He simply Sutton US officials and some presidential candidates have made it misguided statement might. Suggesting military strikes against targets and -- such statements. -- alarming and counterproductive. We believe -- Pakistani military is best place to the eastern it is within Pakistan. The ideal approach is to enhance Pakistan's capacity and capability. And -- it -- and live but I namely. Action but as he has not just weeks statement. Then that is another small issue. All nationals and the people of Pakistani and R&B are targeted physically military dimension by the US or any other foreign. Since October 2001. Box and and the US. Have worked on an understanding that pakistanis fight on site of the border. Whether the US to fight that is insight on this has worked with. Put a number of pieces. I think it is time for the two countries. True recommit the end -- standing and fixed the problem of quality nation and move on beyond the current phase of suspicion. -- if dark yeah it would destroy all quote we have done so five. Something neither of the countries can afford to get that box found in the US should to prevent -- In that relationship and develop -- unified. Go to a mechanism strategy. Instead of making -- on the phone -- I strongly it's the US officials and media to inspire confidence and -- done by -- lightning public. Approach and criticism. This is not to say that we should ignore all thank you -- must ensure that doubt that we've never move. The only thing I'm seeing it saying is that we should talk frankly. Back -- respect nor would -- I didn't get to men in the us. The accident cooperation. Be defeated the Soviet Union. When it was the height of the west and the relationship plus seamless. The current threat to global terrorism. Is more sinister and Soviet type in -- on this planet that I. This status today is more diffuse and global. In this law it on Google currently. A benefit that can -- easily from a basement in new ought. Well from a -- out in the Middle East or from Pakistani Atlantis. To meet this effect a joint strategy it's extremely important. Pakistani. Is -- committed by -- fight terrorism to our mistrust us we need your support. 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" This is this is an open. And even it. Shut up as -- to. -- moment and place mark Norman put an army chief can be pretty good if not -- That doesn't think it's it's I wish we didn't have to death some compunction. That he can. And particularly within that country. And because of weaknesses that this was done. -- interest of the nation. Not if you go with vehicles in uniform idol. He keeps -- thinking giving thanks but he's never -- David anybody. On the -- debilitating. I know as much as Google in the media. I'd met at a couple of months of Galindo Washington that night chat is that it that it charming unity. And did that at a number put off allegations of corruption against husband's. -- So I think they are going to look -- and it is possible that you Megan back but I guess."