Title: Here and Now for Monday, March 30, 2009

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" I'm running yelling it's here and now President Obama said today auto jobs will be lost and plants will not reopen. Obama spoke to reporters today after rejecting the restructuring plans from General Motors and Chrysler and forcing GMC EO to resign over the weekend."

" Today I'm announcing that my administration offered GM and Chrysler. A limited additional period of time to work with creditors unions and other stakeholders to fundamentally restructure. In a way that would justify an investment of additional taxpayer dollars."

" GM and Chrysler have asked for additional 21 billion dollars from the government. What happens if they don't need Obama's timeline Justin Hyde is Washington correspondent for the Detroit free press and so. And just the president has said shape up or else let's see what the or else is start a General Motors. What do they have to do and how much time they had to do it."

" Or Robin the president gave Sheehan sixty days to come up with a new viability plan goes further than the one -- companies -- the back in February. But does mean more job cuts slightly more plant cut. The president even -- that more brands that he should buy -- that was already cutting for. The government has not talked that much about what happened that Sheehan doesn't put that plan may be excited they -- viable future urging him. If he can make the kind of cut that it believes are necessary to survive in the long term."

" Well -- as economists note the word bankruptcy scares people. The the president seemed to be aware of that today and going out of his way to say whatever happened it would be something different a quick rinse bankruptcy."

" I think there's a lot of bankrupt -- I think it will -- key to this whole program. One of -- major hurdles that these companies have a lot of that on the ballot sheet. The agreement with the original world that they had to reach confession from the -- over that profit is installed for months. Without an analyst and we'll tell you that without credible threat of bankruptcy. There is nothing that would people pot holder agreeing to such confession that the government pressure in the -- so if you throughout this process. Initiation thing that bankruptcy is an option -- added the plan is successful. They can you think they can look at the situation where they she would -- or come up with a plan to survive. And you -- bankruptcy court to put it into that. Obama says that the process will be -- very temporary. -- bankruptcy something that. Administration officials and that would last well in thirty days it was going to court. That deal that I didn't come back out I was viable companies -- to conduct government -- to do that then look. Welcome Chrysler they -- they don't that -- should Chrysler not be able to complete a deal -- within thirty days. A bankruptcy is going to have to the only option that company and that process would not get any government thanks."

" It crisis begin and a thirty day window to work out some kind of partnership with -- will. Jumped out at you today just in."

" Oh the president spent a lot of time talking about impact this planet -- Actually and the midwest I -- appointed any official to be director of auto club regional -- former deputy pictured the Labor Department. -- have to -- of public and the recovery act. Money -- training and our job assistance into the communities hard hit by the programs. He's so nobody can in fact that the -- ideology to the natural disaster. Things just as the government offers eighty dictionaries -- hit by trade or lurking should offer aid to areas hard hit by economic economics just hasn't elected them."

" But he does this very -- it's also very explicit in the struck us that the US government would stand behind car warranties issued by both Chrysler and GM."

" Yet but that's billion usual but from the little I think it's ever happened really. In the history the auto industry and part of it goes back to bankruptcy where in the companies were originally presented with the electric ability to court. Went bankrupt. One -- objections -- are buyers would not optional bankrupt auto maker part because it would be worried that the war cheese would not honor. I think that the government will stand behind the -- to -- Chrysler and -- opening up program to other automakers face to shoot. On the government strikes removed objection bankruptcy can't make it more realistic possibility that the company could jump into court. Restriction that they might need and it jumped back out and still cabinet customers are not."

" Now that's a just and -- Washington correspondent for the -- Detroit free press speaking to us from the press room at the White House Justin thanks so much. It well today Michigan governor Jennifer grand home called the forced resignation of GM chief Rick Wagoner. A sacrificial lamb the company did lose says seven billion dollars in the last two years of his heading that companies so. Is his firing the beginning of a new trend let's put that question to our next -- Simon Johnson. -- chief economist with the International Monetary Fund in 2007 and 2008. As he writes he was the guy no country wanted to see because it meant they were in economic failure and he's gonna tell them things they didn't want to hear including. Fire the powerful elites who caused the problems in the first place. Johnson currently teaches an MIT he joins us now from the -- of the Peterson institute for international economics Reese senior fellow Simon Johnson welcome back. Nice to India and we want to talk to about many things including Wednesday's big G twenty economic summit but -- and a much time in that article in the Atlantic magazine. About what you call the recent re emergence of an American financial oligarchy so with that in mind. Your thoughts on wagon news a surprise firing. Well I think."

" It's it's very interest intensive policy is significant says departure administration is exerting its power and influence over the auto industry. But to -- the contrast is quite striking with regard to the finance industry and for example a couple of weeks ago. And I treasury said that so. The CEO of Citigroup mister B companion will stay on and his job despite the fact that you could the same sort of issues that that you -- them describe to us to -- and many people that make those same -- saying -- similar issues that was dependent Citigroup so we defer to one set of elites and and and -- tough on on another set of beliefs is quite interest in."

" Well and and take it even further more than interesting you say that -- other countries would come to you and -- hand -- for money at the IMF. They were all in dire straits for one reason powerful elites we didn't them within the countries had overreached in good times and taken too many risks. And and that government and business allies Foreman sort of an oligarchy. Running the countries like profit seeking companies but we don't think of people like Rick Wagoner even at the head of Citibank as -- in an American mind that's like. A family in Russia -- had control of an industry for a long time so what do you mean."

" Well I mean no control over industry that's definite truth every oligarchy it is different but every emerging market in the middle income countries it's open to capital flows it gets itself into into serious difficulties there's always a powerful set of people. Who do well initially. Perhaps you could argue do -- for everyone then we get carried away the oval borrow it over expand and as a crisis in which some of them have to to -- have to lose pretty big and that's the essence of the political struggle. And moving on to was recovery."

" Well if you saying that the US is now following in the footsteps of Argentina Russia. Other countries that have had to come to you had me."

" Check despite what he it at Columbia present -- the Wall Street treasury complex referring of course back to. The 1950s and Eisenhower talked about a military industrial complex in in the US I think is that that's a that's a nice way to think about some shifting elite shifting power structure. We've gone from being a country where it was big manufacturing that had a lot of a lot of the power including GM to a country where it's big finance it has a lot of power and and and and I think too much."

" Any point out that the in addition to this cozy business and government relationship there are other issues of there's a course that. Lightweight regulation bad mortgages but all the all the problems also benefited the financial sector. What happens now because you say the analogy between US and other countries. Ends from here on out because countries that would come to the IMF. You became when they ran out of money the US is still rich. That's right so we can actually keep this going to this mass."

" technical term. We can keep it going vote for quite some time now because we're not going to have the same sort of crisis that it Korea or or Russia or Argentina as his hat. And and that's goods that we don't have the crisis that we know will be as as as dramatic and it and and -- difficult perhaps but it's also bad because it means you won't have a moment resolution there -- Really going to be as much pressure on mr. clean up our financial system. An and to manage its its its downsizing its unwinding in the same ways these other countries had to do."

" Well money is that. Because you know say that the Obama administration should be kicking down doors nationalizing banks kicking out the CEOs and as you said at the start. How come the bank CEOs are getting to stay. They can't -- it just always raises the question we we heard we hear this from you we hear it from. Of people like Paul Krugman we hear it from the former finance minister of Sweden. The artist sensibly group right people in Washington. Why is the US not doing what's so many voices say should be done. To."

" Financial sector and in the US is very powerful and and one. -- of their power around it just comes from a weakness today is they're saying to people in in in Washington look if you take any these dramatic actions or even if you contemplate. And a more dramatic candidacy recapitalization. All of bank system using government money so they -- would end up with -- majority ownership. Even if you hinted that that will cause. A massive collapse for the collapse in the financial system in the US in and around the world. And and remember that there at their intellectual capital and their culture -- is so strong it's very easy to campus to persuade people there's very few people. Who will stand up to them publicly and and debate these issues are on the merits."

" Well I sat next to congressman Barney Frank at a fundraiser and you will know how sharp his responses can be and I said to him. How do you -- and how are you responding to these voices calling for nationalization of banks what is not being considered and he said to what end what would it too. So I mean I see you real disconnect."

" Yeah I I think it's good question to what an announcer is re privatization you don't take over these banks in order for the government to run them and in fact I'm a human everytime I go to the DMV to get my driver's license renewed -- bad experience. It's okay -- the government can't even handle driver's licenses and in a pleasant -- a -- running banks. -- of the fact of the matter is that the government has taken over provided massive man a financial support its its appointing a reappoint CEOs and in the financial sector. -- Too big to fail and almost too big -- to to rescue. Syndrome. And we and we want to move on so I think it's a very fair question congressman Franken is asking that there is and a pretty reasonable straightforward answer."

" Is one of the problems in the US in particular. Going back to the things the government should do on that list is wipe out shareholders here in the US more Americans than ever ever before history. Our stockholders. They may not even know that they have stuck in a bank or investment house -- when you wipe out the shareholders you waking up more than merely."

" The shareholders have been essentially wiped out Robin already by the actions of the managers of these companies nothing -- do with the government it's it's it's a tragedy. And as old due to the private sector at these these back until worth. About and -- team won in 5% of what do worse than eighteen months ago because they messed up so badly and yet. Almost all the executives who who ran these companies into the ground remain where they are and all very very few board members of these companies to -- it's extraordinary. Mind boggling failure governance up and down throughout. That the big -- financial institutions in this country Simon Johnson former chief economist with the IMF."

" When we back Simon says Europe would rather blame the US for the financial mess than but the their own track record we'll have that meanwhile. Andy heard Simon sides of the economists like Nobel laureate Paul Krugman who say. The US hacks to get over its fear of nationalizing banks and financial institutions to reorganize them. Crude has quite a following -- and leave you with a little one of the new YouTube videos. Encouraging him to get a bigger role in Washington yeah. -- we need food. The second -- here now."

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" Welcome back here now our guest is Simon Johnson former chief economist at the IMF. He's written an article in the Atlantic magazine called the quiet coup in which he argues that smashing the US financial oligarchy is the only way to fix the banking system. Simon we just went askew about the G twenty summit that President Obama will attend in London it starts Wednesday there. Big discussions take place Thursday are reading today that a draft communique has already been leaked and it doesn't contain. Specific plans for coordinated global fiscal stimulus package. That seems to me at the heart of what's shaping up to be a polite battle between Western Europe in particular and the Obama administration. Why is Western Europe so against more spending to get out of this financial mess."

" But what the essence of the problem Robin is that the their governments in in major countries in Europe. That are in power today were empowering 20072008. And if they acknowledged the debts is that their problems and and the severity of the issues that are now facing them. And they will implicitly be acknowledging that they were asleep at the -- in 20072008. They were warned repeatedly and in public for example by the IMF of about the problems that were coming. And they chose not only to ignore those warnings but also to shoot as many messengers is acutely their hands up. So -- there's no way for the Europeans. Had to deal with these problems head on in public. Without acknowledging that they made major mistakes in in the past so you know when any -- You know. Sophisticated experienced politician. Meets this kind of dilemma that they did they obviously. Resorts sued to a lot of confiscation smoke screens and and and and spinning."

" Who want to go out to reports that -- resistance for instance from Germany is because they feel there you have social safety nets crews are complete I don't know if I'm saying critically. Which translates as short work is a pro and that they have that that they say is far better for their workers and they don't need to spend more."

" But it it is true that some European countries including -- has much stronger social safety nets then in the United States. And as the cool of course for a global fiscal stimulus was not. Particularly because who afraid of of what happened gym work is that because the about it about demonstration was was correctly emphasizing the need for the world to work together. In in a coordinated fashion to to to pull the entire global economy out of its problems and basically the German responses will be fine. The check this later on how everything else went. If that's attitude. -- To what to get it against out of."

" Well in some reports are saying that the Germans are being so resistance because they really haven't felt this downturn they don't have a yeah real estate bubble as Ireland did and they. You know they're not you know -- just not getting it."

" I think that that can make sense. The remember you know -- claims to have a leadership role in the European context. You can't and claimed to have this sort of role unless you're willing to step up to the plate and really really deliver and I think is the summit will fail and largely because of this -- and attitude."

" discouraging you don't. And we earning -- going to be a failed Summitt tell us more what -- failures and be."

" Well I think there's there's 33 thing is affairs at three levels first of -- there's the issues that are put on the table. So -- policy will not be discussed. Because there's this fiction and independent central banks and the meeting is the heads of government and not supposed to talk a central banks that that's an anachronistic notion in in in a crisis this -- In case that's the first failure things that are discussed. At a second failure is things that are discussed or were discussed actually put on the table by secretary kind of had a very that's sensible integrated approach city that he put forward at the ministerial meeting. A couple of weeks ago which included a fiscal stimulus and it included a more much more progress on -- to a sensible -- a regulation. And and those have really been shot down bye bye by the Europeans and their regulation response in Europe it is all kinds of complicated super national. Structures are they going to erect on exactly the same. Base. At that that that that failed us going into this crisis in and makes no sense right that what you know how does it how can you. And build more on the same weak foundations and how today than the next house is going to be stronger."

" I think one of them and I think you write about this is the proposed international college of supervisors what what what would that."

" It it sounds like that sounds like as some some of between Adam and dysfunctional comedian massive boondoggle. And they think that that's exactly what it what it would be you know it's people look you -- each other's shoulders to to look every so shoulders. To see that you know nothing really is happening in and then agree not criticize China it it's it's a best meaning that."

" Well your third point is that you say that there refrain is that we face a global problem that needs a global solution this is what world leaders Gordon Brown of Britain in particular saying. But you say the most pressing problems in 2009 are not so much global as they are European renamed."

" Well as a big slowdown in in in Eastern Europe there are currency crises in banking crises most of banks in Eastern Europe are owned by Western European banks everything that happens in the east and in the country's it will formally. A Communist former Minnesota union. It is going to spillover back to two Western Europe Austria for example to Greece. And it's Sweden and and is also big problems with the housing -- to slow down in Western European and UK Ireland and Spain have. Housing bust thirsty worst of seeing in the US and in addition we got some you know open economies in in in the middle of in the middle of Europe the suffering big collapse in export including by the way Germany. But not not only not an -- measles affecting camp Italy. And and France so everyone is affected it's a big it's a big dance and and he needs -- since sensible measures. Opted to save themselves from listen to turn things around and that they don't want to talk about it."

" Well Simon Johnson we close in another conversation with you completely depressed his -- You say the US doesn't want to deal with wet and -- others feel it has to do which is nationalized banks and and turn around and resell them break them up. And turn around turn them around and re privatize them and that Europe doesn't seem to want to deal. With its problems. What you see this heading. I think it's."

" To be along slow painful recovery process. If if we're lucky. -- Very similar to the one that liberal listed to this point two near ruined and and of course -- The dangers that that next time and we they will actually take this completely. --"

" Simon Johnson will connect you to his very popular blog -- a website here now dot org. He senior fellow with the Peterson institute for international economics he's also professor MIT Sloan school of management and former chief economist. At the IMF in 2007 an eight. Simon there's not a lot of silver lining -- but we do appreciate and speaking with you but it. Starting tomorrow six volunteer astronauts from Russia France and Germany. We'll find out what it's like to spend three months in isolation. For 105 days until July they will be locked inside a mock space module in Moscow as part of an experiment. To test human endurance for possible manned mission to Mars. The real trip to Mars could take up to a year for compares in the fight to the moon takes up three days. Tomorrow is the start of the second round of this mock flight to Mars -- this year of 520 days simulated mission will be in. The BBC's Richard -- visited the volunteer astronauts in Moscow recently and prepared this report."

" It's forty years since American astronauts from the Apollo eleven mission touched down from the."

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" Since then space agencies around the world have been pondering how to take the next big step. Getting astronaut sponsor on neighboring planet Mars. It's round trip about two years. -- Parts of the arms then may be found here inside a drab building in Moscow. But it crucial experiments is apparent to gets under way. With six volunteer astronauts looking themselves inside a mobile space ship until July. As a test of their insurance. One point crewmembers set it's an all four rafts to. May first steps towards the watch syndicate -- Stansky is the Russian commander of the space ship. He says the primary aim of the experiments is to see how the -- cope with prolonged isolation. And claustrophobia."

" I didn't think we'll be notified each test subject. Has this right to go out at any moment but of course equal importance. Nicole been so. Who try to support him and to meet his -- here that."

" The crew of six includes volunteers from France and Germany neither of whom are professional astronauts. But serial 48 who's normally a pilots without fronts is confidence he'll be notes when -- the three month confinement."

" I'm cousin of myself -- quite normal that indeed you have to cope with the environment that's main points you can be psychologically normal but some people may be claustrophobic. May fear that something that happened is not my case I'm quite confident --"

" We were allowed inside before the mock spaceship was kicked it out with all the scientific equipment. Needed for the astronauts conduct a series of psychological. And other experiments during that time on the simulated night. They'll work day and night shifts about ten hours and they'll be eating the same kind of Russians as on a real flights -- The director of the project is formal cause most voters might have called. My movement does she. We will not be able to resupply the space -- during the flight to Mars so have to know exactly how much food abort take and how to recycle the dead. On the approach to mosque that Elaine radio communications between spacecraft and to control. Will be twenty minutes -- the crew have to deal with any emergency themselves and score. And there of their major challenges ahead. For example how to protect the crew from exposure to potentially lethal doses of says the radiation. But still with the experiments not getting underway here in Moscow Russian scientists are hopeful the first real -- Hamas may happen. Around the year. Twenty."

" That's the BBC's Richard Belton reporting from Moscow -- video of the mock spaceship that will be used for the experiment go to our web site. Here now dot awards. You're listening to him now. Remember those old TV anti drug and -- this is your brain on -- different dorm room."

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" sound from one of thousands of YouTube video showing how some people act after smoking something many you've probably never heard of sell it did ignore them lose mentioned it -- it's been blamed for at least one suicide. Now this is not the -- people plan in their gardens it's a sub species of the genius grown in Oaxaca Mexico in -- by shamans there for centuries. But a potent form of this -- is readily available online and it's the target of state bands and the focus of researchers. Who say it -- promise as a prescribe drugs that John Mendelsohn as a pharmacologist at California Pacific Medical Center research institute. With a grant from the federal government he's studying -- do norms impact on humans he Jones is minister Yusuf K comedian San Francisco welcome thank you. It's street names are Sally. And what does it do in this form."

" We don't have really any scientific evidence about what it does what we have heard the reports abusers. According to these individuals that causes fairly intense period of century distortion. That lasts between five and thirty minutes. Where people have what they describe as a transporting experience into some alternative reality. And said that it has has hallucinogenic effect because of Salvadoran any what is that. Salvador today is the most likely active compound in the drugs it has a unique chemical structure. And it has a unique mechanism of chemical action which is that it activate something called kappa opiate interceptors. Apparently only capital be receptors. And explained that means cap interceptors. There are three types of Opie were sector is new delta and -- that and the new receptors are ones that morphine and drugs like dead -- act on. Did you -- sectors produce what's called analgesic which is relief of pain. The cap or sectors are less well defined but they exist in all of us. And they seem to be associated with some of the unpleasant effects of opiates and they may also be associated with some of the emotional effects of opiates in a negative sense in the sense that people have unpleasant experiences opiates and it's."

" Playing all of these YouTube testimonials. That people you know maybe that is the -- as you seem to be laughing. Like crazy and it doesn't seem like a negative experience them meaning they -- flinched. -- on the floor and stuff but it doesn't seem negative."

" Sure people are unlikely to post their unpleasant experiences. The best data we have right now suggests that about one point eight million Americans have tried Salvadoran. And very few of them -- more than three or four times. People don't find this drug to be something that causes a lot of beatle pleasurable experience they keep coming back to and that they want to experience over and over. They date -- a few times and seemed to stop. -- also because in May not be addictive. It's much too early to know whether this drug causes addiction are not. There are factors that suggest that it might become addictive and some people but there are many other factors suggest that addiction is a very low risk for this particular agent."

" Will one thing we do know or at least the Delaware medical examiner. Seems to feel that he knows that Salvi was contributing factor in the death of a teenager Delaware's honor student. Who killed himself after taking salvia. So at least. In one area they think there's connection to. Negative BU that you're saying we just don't know."

" Well yes and and and that -- is a very sad unfortunate case but the evidence that links salvia to. This suicide is very circumstantial and certainly not directed anyway. I should point out that so far while lot of us are looking for complications of saudis were actually you know interest in and seeking cases and we're not getting so far. We have one case report in the literature of a complication from south -- combined with -- marijuana. And this one Carter report other than that we do not have any published information. On adverse effects with but the drug."

" Still there's a growing movement against this one form of salvia more than a dozen states have banned it others are considering taking that step. The Winston has researchers worried that you know classifying. -- he didn't nor and as a schedule one narcotics. Might put an end to their -- to develop it as a pharmaceutical agent what scientists say it may be good."

" For what we don't really 100% sure what it's good for right now there's certainly trials looking at mania. There are some hints that it may be useful and HIV. But we -- such an early point of drug development that we really can't say with any confidence. What it might be good for we can say that scheduling drugs. That deep creases the interest of investors. In investing in the product. If we schedule it here it's unlikely to attract any capital for drug development."

" John Mendelsohn pharmacologist at the California Pacific Medical Center research institute he's been studying Saudi -- enormous impact on humans. John -- thanks so much time. Excellent thank you very much else well let's turn to a mother with a very different -- salvage even -- in January of 2006 her son. Seventeen year old Brett sinister committed suicide in his father's garage in Newark Delaware. Kathleen should disturb blames her only son's death on his use of sound he didn't norm. Delaware lawmakers approached her after his death and she helped them pastor -- law a ban on the -- she's now working to extend that then nationwide. Kathleen to mr. joins us now and first of all this we know is still very rough for you so thank you so much for speaking to us. I but can you draw the line directly from sound -- two years son's suicide."

" We definitely can we can't ask a brat with smoking salvia and -- a kick out and -- five. We count that that he would actually making it several times a week on his girlfriend had told me that."

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" wouldn't say researchers like Dr. John Mendelsohn he says he can't find scientific evidence of the link well like he never he can't find the yet. And also with the band you're behind which has the successful in other states like California Florida Illinois. Will drive salvia use underground. And also that researchers. Rescinded to bandit or classified as a narcotic. We'll put an end of the work they're doing that they say. -- and show that -- holds some promise for the treatment of addiction and depression and other things -- it would say to that their objections to the path you're on."

" Well the objection that it won't be able to be used for research district regulated. Absolutely not true. When we back -- on Delaware what it's happy would be available for research purposes definitely -- you know there's a lot of research -- there's a lot more to be dying. But I think at this week to have children have been available. To be easy in experimenting with until we know exactly. What it does. I just think that's unacceptable and I -- exactly what it did him Brett."

" Kathleen to -- what would you say to other parents if they're not concerned about this. What do you look for -- now."

" When I can't get about it Brecht told me that he had stopped till I was a little bit complacent and I would tell parents don't be that way expect the worst hit for the vast."

" Kathleen to -- of Wilmington Delaware who seventeen year old son Brett and committed suicide chief feels. The herb salvia. Was the cons. Kathleen thanks so much --"

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