Title: Here and Now for Monday, April 6, 2009

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" WBUR Boston in association with the BBC world service and PRI. I'm running on it here and now as President Obama lines up his European visit his top economic adviser Lawrence Summers. Is making headlines at home. The New York Times reports today that Summers made about five million dollars over two years working just one day a week. At a Wall Street hedge fund Summers is known listing hedge funds to help with the government's bank bailout program. Meanwhile the Boston Globe reports that sixty years ago when Lawrence Summers was president of Harvard. An employee warned him about the dangers of the complex financial instruments the school endowment was investing in. An employee was soon fired and ultimately received an undisclosed settlement from Harvard. And those instruments she warned about help bring on the financial markets in the to a 22% drop in Harvard's endowment. That Healey of the Boston I was covering the story and Beth. Chad did this employee -- Mac hold."

" She was a quantitative analyst and she has been working. At Harvard management which -- outlook for about four months."

" And what did she tell Lawrence Summers."

" Well she apparently told Lawrence as well as your chief of staff that she had seen things that troubled her and her brief time working for the endowment. And those things included the east. Of derivatives that people did not seem to be. Experts that she went to Lawrence Summers and wanted to quote senator and one letter that I have seen by her lawyer said that she was deeply troubled and surprised I think she has seen -- any job. She asked. Mr. Summers not to let anyone know which was coming to him he could could make her light. But living hell yeah. Well after some amount of email and discussions between Irish Mac and Larry Summers chief. They apparently turned over the documents to Jack Meyer who ran Harvard's endowment and Jack cauldron at the office and -- her."

" Well this is originally reported and Harvard crimson. And when you contacted Harvard they pointed out the that the endowment at 37 billion dollars. Averaged nearly 14% over the past ten years despite that 22% loss last year. So in effect what are they saying about someone who tried to DO whistle blower."

" Harvard is nothing very much directly about this particular person and what they are claiming instead when anyone comes to common complaint about something like this that they check it out -- investigated and this matter apparently was dismissed."

" The -- about Larry Summers TU."

" It's unclear exactly what it says but. I think any person who goes to an employer at the whistle blower thinking -- something wrong and expired months later it's probably a bit chilling as far as what -- at the box when you. Are concerned about some."

" Well meticulous as a female employee in of course he famously had a run in with Harvard faculty. When he said that women and I'm paraphrasing that women weren't as smart in science --"

" Yes and let's remember that Irish Mac. Actually -- doctorate in mathematics from Harvard so she's certainly well trained."

" what -- this say about Larry Summers financial acumen and there are other -- is speaking out as -- around the same time against a -- is most famously Warren Buffett. Who called them weapons of mass destruction."

" I think it was during the boom it was when times were good before making a lot of money and so a lot of."

" Smart minds in the investment world as we now know took on a lot of risk that made quite a lot of money for awhile."

" Well an iris Matt did she have a sense of I told you so."

" I think she is being a little bit modest about that break now but I do think she still convinced that Chistov something's wrong and -- her portfolio."

" Well Carol Lawrence Summers is now the top economic adviser in Washington. He he told the New York Times that his brief stint at the hedge funds. Would help him in sorting out the mess we're in today but is just picking -- might be too close to that mess and maybe too blind to it."

" Well I think one thing that ever went pretty concerned about it right now at some of the people in charge of fixing the economy or some of the people who were very much a part of and who were tied up in. All of these craziness coming -- and so to extent they can bring their lessons learned. They can probably help."

" And we will see Beth Healy business reporter for the Boston Globe thanks so much. It's rainy season well it's always rainy season -- here in a moment from the country's top rabies official. But spring marks a rise in reported cases and three year old Michelle fuller center of chino valley Arizona. And -- and -- alert today at rabies. Her as a cautionary tale Michelle -- about eight miles a week on a trail at the base of granite mountain near Prescott Arizona. But one -- fawn. While the children's on the line let her tell the story you're on the trail running Michelle what happens."

" Well I'm having that is yet about a mile and let down the canyon left foxes ran down and that he had on basically I've come across animals several times. Up there so go about the business they want nothing to do a -- And so this is very very bizarre and I went to step back in the inner -- and do it came at once directly at my."

" Oh my gosh and DD is -- he did the fox get any that."

" Oh yeah I gotta get -- it out where those struck a scandal that's but I ran an and the ability he etiquette. But it might be it -- inside the blood I was like oh my god this box is rapid."

" And I need to give -- the hospital and try to -- the fox."

" You know read -- way you you -- you put together."

" Hulk I mean that would it was walking up to me I was thinking that. -- to behave in this."

" So you've got to such you know it's rabid which you do."

" The talks come back at me and goes right about my left -- I just grabbed it by the Mac."

" And withholding any thrashing around quite dead and he's."

" Went over you'd be able to latch onto my left forearm."

" And that was when I was like okay I got a picture listening need to give myself the hospital and needed confined animal thing -- and protesting and he -- there have."

" you did your mile in the canyon when you do."

" But they're -- end."

" Mostly as a shock because discern and really hard and and I actually felt really really got for the market -- an avid animal animal lover and look at."

" Down and my arm and the fox and I. And that the -- even with the politics this is very hard for me and I had to keep telling myself well -- holding it by the neck and it's running I had to keep coming up this animal will be dead and a couple of days from the disease in the most horrible manner possible. And so I have to do something about it for the animals -- for any other animals that would come our people that would come to contact."

" Yeah."

" The and I got to that car up in the trunk and that might -- ruptured around fox and distribute trop can. And headed for hospital."

" Now you called him a new cell phone in an animal control officer meet you there. The fox than those was."

" All right now I'd say open the trunk or her and she thought she had whatever news loops they use for. She thought she had around Fox's I had to use it -- right out and it jumped out at what happened to start and bitter right on the elbow."

" Okay so another two view and I didn't. Eventually the fox is contained. Or when you went into the emergency room what do they tell you."

" Oh well -- they had to immediately start the speculation series and we have already determined that that Fox's gravity another testing haven't been done."

" Hasn't left you -- you. Still a little shaken."

" Well I think the hardest. Thing is what it would -- back up running their I must admit like I my heart goes a little bit faster and you know I've carried it I put me now and also just even dealing with regular people's pets now I -- think twice with the kind of --"

" Where the things we are learning is that you might have been less injured if -- killed the fox. On the trail could you have done."

" I don't know so it the other -- definitely something that I've thought about."

" The story was also in the April edition of runner's world. What struck you about the reaction from other people other women runners."

" You know it's been interesting for women and a -- man I have I was shocked at how many people. Would say. I would just wake -- died or run around screaming in a circle wouldn't fox would."

" You know pick me up in -- but -- hey it was very interesting that a lot of people just had no idea how to react."

" That's Michelle -- set a runner from chino valley Arizona. Who survived an attack by a rabid fox. We understand that you have another man in your area who was also attacked by a rabid fox what he did."

" You know you it was something trail -- he had day walking to keep. So when he was attacked he just killed. And and then recently in cottonwood I don't know if it but that doesn't have a part of town."

" A bobcat -- bobcat came into a bar."

" We don't like that yeah. Yeah. Gay tax for people."

" And one of the patrons at try to take a picture of it with his cell phone bending down and getting close and it detective's statement. Which is one of the most dangerous places get attacked without the rabies virus because the so called your -- doesn't have that part of --"

" You know it does sound like a terrible stupid joke. We we -- we understand animals with rabies are desperate for water. In. Iraq. Michelle thanks so much. Again Michelle Phillips center who survived an attack by a rabid fox will bring inducted Charles -- Get some facts he's chief of the rabies program at the Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta the go to guy. For eighties doctor root product is Michelle story the unusual."

" Don't know if it's what goes on every desk and I think it's a great example of the sort of things can happen -- your own backyard."

" Right you just have for a job well what happened right what happened wrong there I mean she she felt she had a then run back to her car with this fox is you know teeth embedded in her arm was at the right thing to do."

" Point it if you think perhaps some of the things could have which could fall with the affable. It could have gotten even more aggressive and she could have had a major vessel. Ruptured."

" This is as you know as we heard this is tough for people as it sounds like you're saying because the animal wouldn't stop attacking that you -- you do have to. --"

" Yes. It's a very unfortunate situation these animals are good authority. In this stage. Really -- left with very little to do it in a situation like that."

" Common is this."

" It may sound like an extreme case spurred on what should happen to be in Hawaii you confined animal great pieces in every port or it's like. Hawaii is currently rabies free state thinks that splendid isolation opinion on the Pacific we have had. Some pieces of importation. Of freebies and why for example. Apparent that was cargo carrier."

" Well we have heard you say these this these really provocative words we live in a sea of -- And it's also odd because dogs and cats get rabies shot so it seems as if what used to be a bigger problem with dogs has now been you know a -- a little bit why. Do we have so much babies."

" We have to recognize that the true reservoirs that true post. But rabies count there. Our wildlife. And so it's akin to. Search. For the -- of softly falling trees. In poorly visited forest if one has the disease of nature and you don't have an active surveillance program. To detect it it really by and large is lost so many of us until you hear Terrell. Such unfortunate stories that this -- talks."

" Compares to some of the country's."

" Sure most people in the world some of those tens of thousands of unfortunate victims. Story still because of -- transmissions. From talks we've been able to eliminated -- vaccination and by conducting surveillance in the panel. Our great peace is only in one outlets cases such as world court to force. And and perhaps."

" and how about the number of confirmed cases where we stand there."

" It's very interesting you know what country in the world has the greatest number of laboratory confirmed case of the -- you know it's there it's. It's. The degree of surveillance that was put into place post World War II to first try and eliminate -- the provided us that kind of information. And actually well best to protect pieces -- be in one place. That are really served as well over five decades."

" Are you saying that at. You know we had that highest number of confirmations because there reporting system is the best nothings -- promised the worst."

" Obviously it's certainly the the public as a whole."

" If you think that's story of the Roger in the fox if she didn't believe that was truly if you will but fortunately should be catch you right."

" doctor Charles compact of the CDC in 2007 only one person contracting rabies that was in Minnesota out of the thousands who have beaten and got prophylaxis. But there -- over 7000 cases reported in animals are learning what to look out for -- just ahead. How do you know an animal is -- back after break here now."

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" Welcome back here and now and our conversation with doctor Charles Utrecht chief of the rabies program at the CDC in Atlanta about Greenpeace. More about what we all should look for we have these images in -- mind of what rabies is -- mean if he sought To Kill a Mockingbird. Classic movie there's you know Atticus finch has."

" You've just dog in the middle of main street were. Of course the idea of crude joke."

" Does snarling. And a dog in the Stephen King horror stories so we all have these images that you say it doesn't have to be -- it doesn't have to be. You know foaming at the mouth."

" That's not the way necessarily that we are going to. C rabies it may not be that it's certainly shouldn't be that full but it stalled in the middle streets. It can be as subtle as a kitten at least see. We believe that by car on the street and tried to help but of course get scratched or bitten and in the animal disappears. It could be. The down pat in the schoolyard that children come across. That's paralyzed and is now Indians stages the way that rabies viruses spread is should the expiration of Parsons saliva samples will go ahead nix creek raid these fires there's saliva sometimes these before they appear obviously built to a and so animals may be completely normal. And we still can get exposed to rabies and our contemporary school we were told that the only characteristic thing apparently piece is that can be uncharacteristic. In its presentation and so normally. Aggressive more one that would don't come into contact with people such as -- They certainly lose their fear of people in similarly normally aggressive animals. May become -- oftentimes animals will have such disorder behavior as experience -- that is injection of foreign objects -- would. Or stones. In the -- attack inanimate objects of course."

" Look this is you know kind of scary because a lot of dogs attacked cars and you know a lot of animals get quiet when something's going on so you know it's kind of unsettling that you you may not know. When an animal has freebies do they always have to be killed to find out."

" Yes. The viruses and there are loving and it and here's the nervous system. Moves into the central nervous system from the -- free into the spinal cord into the brain. Where reproduces itself the only definitive way is gonna hit in the end we utilized. In the examined its brain. So Faris cannot get into the saliva without replicating first in the brain. And although there are. Test and it would be ideal if we could just go ahead pick while from -- more safe as a rapper not. This sensitivity and specificity of such -- Has not been established and so it's still the gold standard for Brady's prognosis. Is the contamination of utilized animals brain."

" Well is -- a reminder way she keep your pets unleashed."

" I think this is a great explanation for why we should keep our animals up to date on their vaccinations. And restrained he person's dog or cat who -- and other normally people under go attendee quarantines. If that -- cat has a history of being unsupervised. So potentially exposed to rabid animals out there. The recommendation maybe euthanasia."

" If fellow human is bitten by a rabid animal is that. By always fatal if they don't get a prophylactic since they don't get. Some kind of medication."

" Bites from rabid animals are not always fatal because it depends in part upon the -- talking character many different variants. It depends upon the dose resource is excrete it intermittently. In the saliva. And also the route its severity so our hardest case totality. Rates are in the taxpayer rabid wolves because the way the -- attacked. -- severe bites the head the fires can actually be penetrating into skull and into the brain itself and situations."

" And you have have been looking at. Ways to vaccinated wildlife how do you reach wildlife."

" It was my predecessor at the CDC director George Baer who actually came up with -- automatic devices would come up out of the ground needle and syringe it was like a rube Goldberg like device. Exactly these animals automatically."

" It is a wonderful description of me you guys like mad scientists trying to. Figure out how to for instance take traps that were designed to kill animals and adapt them to instead she liquid vaccines the Harry and oh yeah there was a vaccine filled needles in the trap and so. An animal would be injected when it's set off the track you."

" Obviously one has logistical problems do that. And this is how the concept of world vaccination. Would sport. Safe and effective vaccines that could be -- close to the -- and distributed this concept went from the laboratory CDC or colleagues in Europe. The Swiss became the first ones plea that the Germans. Now all of Western Europe this free of rabies in red foxes."

" Well when you're continued here in the US which has more animal populations with rabies and you say. After a hundred million doses here coyote rabies has been eliminated there had been inroads against red fox rabies here in the northeast. Now you're working on the gray fox dunks and back and that's -- so valuable -- eating insects like mosquitoes so you tell us as an idea floating to have insects carry a vaccine to that. Meantime we started off with really bizarre story of a runner who had a fox attacker in left to itself on her arm in. Some of the stories you've heard I mean I'm a -- for animal."

" Situations where by eight. Radio weatherman going up and helicopters will -- have potentially rabid bat. Its mission to the helicopter windshield and the pilot and the reporter covered with brain and various. -- all the way to the sublime move people changing a -- winning and of things get rabies that way because they ran over dead skunk in the road and we're afraid. Because of -- upper hand won't change that -- So is many bizarre situations as you can think of from the -- of great these people get exposed to rabies or potentially exposed. Every day."

" That's up to Charles -- to -- chief of the rabies program at the Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta. I've got to -- thanks so much for speaking with us."

" Let's -- on here know the story of private first class David Sharon he was killed in Iraq initially the army said by enemy fire. But a former student of his father's sets out to help the family find the truth about their son's death by friendly fire. Also it would seem hard to find the woman in Virginia writes only good news taking -- That's tomorrow here in."

" I'm running young it's here."

" And now Leila Khalil and her family survived three car bombings in Baghdad. Now one of her sons is at the -- and a daughter is a Fulbright scholar at Binghamton university in New York. With the family now lives a formerly apparently love to go to the immigrant center in town to practice English. The very nice husband and wife from Haiti he took classes that the immigration center in the morning and worked in the afternoon always home by suffered agreed to two kids. The Burger King a 72 year old mother of ten was substitute teaching at the center last Friday. She'd sent five cents to Cornell they want her to retires he scoffed at that. -- king -- Maria Bernard and Manila Camille were among the victims of the shooting in Binghamton, New York. Before that story blends into the many other shootings this past week and from Pittsburgh Griffey police officers were killed. To Washington State -- a man killed his five children. We want to -- the victims and Binghamton T endorse Obama leads the sacred heart Ukrainian Catholic Church in Binghamton -- to Obama. He church had a real -- tell us about the victim union."

" Yes some a result of result it was a very active parishioner. Over perish in a very active overall in the Ukrainian community here in the southern here of New York State. She spoke with the very vociferous. Proponents of -- Ukrainian ethnicity. She enjoyed who she was what she was which also understood where she was."

" She was sixty years old she wasn't supposed to be at the center on Friday I understand that she was going to be baking for the church. But she did go win."

" Yes so we have our our -- bizarre -- Saturday. -- on Friday issues spoke to help along with the other. Members of our parish too big to the eastern part because the in the rolled down rules for the day but she was called in to help with paperwork."

" How does she come to be ending in -- Ukrainian."

" Her parents were part of the emigres that left with -- Soviets are entering into western Ukraine her parents emigrated from that area. From Austria where she was born and in Brooke and then came here to the southern tier of the New York State in Binghamton, New York she grew up in this parish. She came here as a young child eight years old. As she remembers her mother making -- if -- Yes they have put that figure as opposed to corporate bodies. This is being of citizens to Saudi capital of the US should recognize as such. They'll -- put the dumplings he can be -- Palin she's she's you know various fruits or whatever side. But she was so her mother used to do that to raise money health care for the church and she continues that tradition raise our children. Who know Ukrainian very well. It up perfectly and just for children overall three daughters and one son. All of them very well educated and part of the US. The community as a whole but also very proud and active in that ukrainians part of the US and."

" We know you faceted at the -- of two of her children she said she didn't church since the age of eight. Older people who looked at her as their daughter younger people looked to her as their teacher. And she's part of this incredibly rich community immigrant community obviously loyal to the center. When she was killed and just how has this hit Binghamton a lot of us used to drive through Binghamton on her way to colleges in upstate New York. I was surprised at how it how many different nationalities are living there now and how. You know almost 11 from each on how is this hit Binghamton."

" Well it's it's. Obviously oh great shock to everyone here our churches within itself is not a large community. Although there are many other Ukrainian communities here. So to have someone from our community so. Who would still active for us to organize all all of our ethnic events it's a little somebody that's important -- that has. It's it was very shocking very typical and then you hear people from so many different parts of the world. That wanted to become US citizens that I think the best we've stated that were willing to do to acclimate themselves to do list but not assimilate. Because there are proud as Maria was very proud of who with whom they were and where they came from but also very proud of who they were becoming. Because almost all of them were becoming US citizens."

" No big loss in town image. The -- teenagers who Bala of the sacred heart Ukrainian Catholic Church to be burying sixty year old means of news this Winston. Other things so -- for ignorance."

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" Welcome back question who owns Rainwater in Colorado the Los as the state -- Come -- has a semi arid climate and when it does rain some residents collected in barrels for gardens and -- it's called Rainwater harvesting. And according to current state law that illegal. There's a bill before the Colorado legislature that would allow Rainwater harvesting answered some news and another bill just passed to exploit the effect of collecting green line. In a minute are going to hear from a developer who wants to build more than 10000 new homes each with a cistern to collect Rainwater so obviously he wants to change the law. But first a town official who vehemently opposes that frank -- is district manager at the parker water and sanitation district in south Denver. Frank explained Colorado water a lot of it stands now it's his water must flow freely."

" They're Colorado water law -- so 150 year history and it's based upon its first in time first in right by that I mean. The person who filed on the oldest and water right on the screen has the right to his water before anybody else could -- water. Rainwater harvesting affects the amount of water getting to discreet -- in fact. -- changes Colorado water Milosevic did you hear most junior water rights is taking its water prior to a senior right."

" New -- again you're the manager of the parker water and sanitation district and imagines a lot of water and you've paid for do you really think it. You know harvesting impacts that water."

" I think if if you're talking about the grandmother who is harvesting or water associated however flower garden probably not. But in this case were talkin' about on our macro scale. Harvesting Rainwater that. Keeps the river -- the seizure was killed by 27 cuts and at all start it was small cuts the reality of it is. You've got a subdivision that trying to get promoted. And built. That they're short of water doesn't have enough water to meet its needs and if that is allowed in one case it'll be allowed -- a hundred or more. And that affects the law of the river."

" All the did not a lot of water is harvested there was a water study commissioned in 2007 by some Colorado water districts and they found that just. 3%. Of rain falling on undeveloped land. Makes it back into the stream system this is in a dry year 15%. Makes it back in a -- year. So it's not as if there's a lot that it actually flows to streams and goes into the ground anyway."

" Well every drop of more sure it's -- keeps the ground. Wet so that additional rain runs off the ground into the river and it affects the person has been seeing your rights. To give you an example if you're buying senior writes on streams you're talking. In the neighborhood of fifteen to 20000. Dollar per acre foot. And each acre foot could serve. To single family residence so. If I haven't -- right here and I'm serving right now on serving 45000. People's 16000 homes. Status sex. The cost of water to those people. The consumers in my district. Have paid a dear price for this water parker water and sanitation district is -- not for profit organization. Serving the public so the public is paid for everything that we own and operate. And when you start giving away a resource that has been paid for by the public -- you're getting in the somebody else's money that you shouldn't have the right to do."

" But on the other hand you could say that people who collect Rainwater in rain barrels. I really collecting what's there is ineffective because. When the water just runs down into the river and towns like viewers purified impacted back to people at the same water."

" It's not the same water if they don't live in the district that guy is innocent of the water rights that I yeah."

" I see so they're doing it sort of upstream from you Terry and."

" And which are talking about here is a junior water right. And you're moving that junior right ahead of the person who is in the 1850s. Water right you're lying veggie intake of water first."

" That's frank -- district manager at the -- water and sanitation district in parker Colorado to south of Denver who wants Rainwater harvesting to remain illegal in Colorado. Thank thank you so much for giving us your point --"

" you're welcome. And I do know that developers going to talk to him. We have remained on relatively friendly terms this may change all of that I don't."

" Clinton -- and yet turn into Chinatown. The film of course it would at the base of there was a fight over water rights just as question of frank. Is part of this it to what you feel like he's slippery slope and then we have time ahead of us when some analysts it's gonna get even more series."

" Courtesy if you if you look around what happened even down and not Atlanta Georgia. They had a severe drought their problem with water delivered its happening all over the country have to go to New York City. They have their own separate issues on delivering water but water is a key element in every municipality. Worldwide."

" Frank thanks so much you're. Well let's turn out to the developer Harold samples he's trying to build more than 10000 homes and southwest Denver. They would use a system assistance some right by people's homes together Rainwater let's get his response to --"

" The first people to know."

" Always set too well he's so -- it stays that way you."

" Eight years ago discuss who disagreed and giving it to be disagreeable."

" Well Carol make your argument and you want you to Rainwater for landscaping you want to gathered as Lisa and Lisa Stearns. Frank says first you pay for that water as he did and second if you collect Rainwater it may reduce the water level of rivers and streams. That ultimately bring water to him and others who did pay. And you're so facing criticism because as we said you're hoping to develop thousands of acres of untouched land and some people are saying. Why -- bring thousands of people into an area debt is already hurting for water why put more strain on the man."

" First off people have to have replaced political. And the question is are we going to sprawl. Or record to have a more dense development and eliminates sprawl."

" Isn't too though the some people actually look at sprawl. As. Exactly -- dot net developments futile."

" Well -- development doesn't equate to sprawl in my mind sprawl. Means acres of rooftops with open space. As opposed to having a planned community. Where you have open space you have more dense poster living together. And you can provide utilities and service and fire and police in an effective manner."

" This what is you -- planning these giant sisters that we gathering water. What -- view and you paid to state a feed. For that water."

" state doesn't hold water. The water that fell on the land that never made it to the river borders on the land."

" You're singing you're getting it before it hits the rivers."

" For -- river and the second question I want to come back to or something you raised the area that that lend that we own and develop. Is surrounded by urban areas there's a city a little into the north loses there -- to the west. There's of the largest not a corporate development to the east about us. So we're not stepping way out and taking farmland or something and putting it into development discipline that's developments from all around."

" What happens if you can't do the sisters were you not to the development."

" No we will report with the development. We are committed to water conservation before we started this project. We would all over the country -- who does the best job of water conservation. And we found that other states were using half the amount of water that we're using in Denver. And we studied how they did it. Limiting the amount of outside grass and yet having beautiful property for using -- tolerant shrubs and trees the flowering shrubs what you do death. But the next large water supply. Is out of Rainwater and in -- dramatically reduce. The amount of water pitchers that -- taking off."

" Farmlands of putting in there visibility pump stations and treatment to deliver back go ahead."

" That's Harold -- he's a developer who's looking to build more than 10000 homes in southwest Denver. Using sisters to collect Rainwater he wants Colorado to change the luck to allow that. We also spoke earlier with the town official who says he pays for his water rights in Colorado he doesn't want them unchanged. Let's you know how this all turns out we don't live to hear from you back here now dot org. Click on contact us your thoughts on rain barrels and water rights and anything."

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" Welcome back -- April national poetry month who we're breaking up the party hats to celebrate the new collection of poems to be allowed. It's edited by Robert Hinske very much an ambassador for poetry you might remember his favorite poem project when he was the country's poet laureate. The new book is called sensual pleasures."

" The pounding we've reverberates the dirge of her inclusion and home. We're passion moved and died. Becomes a place where she can hide while all the town and -- side vibrate with her seclusion."

" Be still my heart that's Robert Hinske reading from and an Arlington Robinson's -- Toronto's on the CD that comes with the new book. And Eric Hinske joins us in the studio welcome back here now."

" Pleasure to be here but what's the one thing you want people to know reading a poem out -- don't worry about stopping it line endings or for emphasizing -- the poet has taken care -- that. Just read and enjoy what you're reading and think about the --"

" Who just an example because that is the concern you people don't know you know when you run on into the next line when deep you know sentence tells you how to do it."

" I like from and sample Robert frost to referred. Look at the lips who's touches -- selected there and ones that seem too much I lived on -- that crossed me from sweet things. The flow of was mosque from had great clients brings down in the dusk. I had this word Monday from -- of honey cycle when they're gathered -- to on the knuckle. Yeah have story that thing I had to swirling date sprays of -- cycle that when they're gathered -- to on the knuckle in hopes suit says. I had this were lending constraints upon cycle when they're gathered -- to the knuckle. And goes right through there they take care of themselves they don't they don't need any crutch but you could say is if you're speaking to someone."

" hurts people speak poems. You know flatness."

" As certain boy youth that isn't as those youth peeking into -- that it's -- ritual it's not just conversation. Ben Johnson talks about loving -- that the Internet poems this. If you then we hear the story first prepare you'd be sorry that you never -- until now either whom too low for how. But be glad along with the when you learned that this if you whose beauty with song. She shall make the old man and young keep the middle aged stay and let nothing high decay to she'd be the reason why all the world for love me guy. And though he's talking yeah and he's doing it in the meter of twinkle twinkle little star break."

" But -- it should say that -- Penske was just doing all of that reading from his head. And one -- in my head it's. Was really in the slightly -- carrying gimbal by the label means you have to."

" Or a crow is among -- outbreak I don't know why I it'll end up from fourth to be -- look Robin this is from Alice in wonderland Jabber what he's never Lackey. And I don't know I remember that from fourth grade and it obviously is nonsense sense and nonsense -- matters of degree it's not a political one where's the other. I'm gonna bring in someone else -- at the table -- Jody Adams she's owner and James beard award winning chef of Rialto it's a restaurant. Here in the Boston area. Petition here offers some food for the soul. Because -- is one of the many readers who's going to be. With Robert Kaminsky at a reading here in the Boston area and you can find out about an hour website here in mountain route. Instituting just Ito first of all you learn shift although I note Robert that you write in the book. Like the arts of dancing singing mining and drawing the art of poetry involves an essential that. Di Jodi you have an appetite."

" I think I too am I was thrilled to be asked to do this it's not what I naturally do read poetry on the books -- Central in our lives but it's always wonderful to be asked to do something that you don't typically do like stand on your hand and that's the way. This feels it shakes you up that puts things in perspective. And said two and a course that perhaps was different from where you started that day will look for only Ukraine need. I'm -- married at Palma and mark strand called old man leaves party. Okay I want to hear a little bit from you but I should say to listen I mean you're not in the wallflower in fact. We first worked together on the -- Greek cooking game show ready set cook on a food channel. But you're somewhat reserved and incident to stand up and read a poem in front of people think it's a little nervous making. But I was invited two years ago to read the night before Christmas. With the -- And I had so much fun doing that I thought what the hell you know who cares to do it so read the clone. We can't -- Classes. Old man -- party. It was clear when I left the party. That though I was over eighty. I still had a beautiful body. The moon shone down as it would -- on moments of deep introspection. The wind held its breath. And -- somebody's left -- leaning against a tree. Making sure that I was alone. I took off my shirt. The flowers at their grass nodded their -- washed heads. It took off my pants. And the mag -- circled the redwoods. Down in the valley the creaking river was still flowing once I was flowing once more. How strange that I should stand in the wilds alone with my body. I know what you're thinking. I was like you ones. But now with so much before me so many emerald trees and we'd wait and field. Mountains and lakes how could not be only myself. This stream of flashes from moment to moment. -- Penske. How to -- active on that didn't I think some movement moment by including India is stumbled but it doesn't look at."

" Right now it doesn't matter in the case of like playing music I'm taking -- like cooking you don't have to do exactly the same way every time. Thank god most arts and life are not golf. Poetry is more like jazz part of the point is you feel different every time why did you."

" Choose the -- that you did only can open to one by Margaret at what it's that the great closing -- variation on the -- sleep it's got the great closing stanza. I would like to be the air that inhabits -- for a moment only have like to be that unnoticed. I'd like to be that unnoticed and that necessary. He has the air around somebody sleeping or is it if."

" to me what why did you choose than I mean it's -- many to choose from."

" I have to have had a certain feeling in a little it's like when only to consider saharan affect your -- stands -- I'm happy to confess that I discovered this -- through the favorite poem project. And I read it and I got that feeling with. I would like to watch you sleep and never like to sleep refused to enter your sleep in its -- are squeezed flies through my head. And walk with you. And that loosened wavering Faris of -- green leaves but it's bordering -- three moons but the cave where humans descend. -- your worst fear. And you know I had have a section this -- of one another section called blow phones. --"

" Hundred Penske and -- of the new book essential pleasures and anthology of poems that sound great when read aloud as that one did. Gerry Adams chef at Rialto here in Boston she Robert will be part of poetry reading at the first parish church meeting house in Cambridge Massachusetts. Tomorrow night for investors in the Syrian government website here and now dot org to find out more. Thank you both for coming in thank you -- and pleasure."