Title: Here and Now for Friday, April 17, 2009

" Here now is a production of WBUR Boston in association with the BBC world service and PRI. I'm Robin Young it's here and now so what's report card on president Obama's handling of those just released secret memos. Which gave us new details on the approved CIA interrogation techniques during the Bush Administration. President Obama condemned the techniques which the most tell us included slamming detainees into walls and putting them in boxes with insects that last -- known technique that was an actually carried out. The president also of -- the interrogators who did carry out techniques including waterboarding which he hasn't outlined. Martin said -- national security correspondent for the New York Times. Mark we know the ACLU's sued the government to release these memos and there was accord deadline yesterday that that might have hastened their released. But spin discussion in the Obama White House about whether or not they should have been released."

" Well it would be pretty bitter fight that went down to the wire. Leon Panetta is the CIA director was arguing that. Putting out the full details and these memos. Might really lead to future disclosures of intelligence sources and methods ended that it was kind of a slippery slope if you put these out he might have to start declassified operational files of the CIA is used find out -- intelligence that they've learned from the detainees still he was really trying to push back against full disclosure. And the other side you had Eric Holder and Gregory Craig to adopt lawyers in the in the Obama White House in the Justice Department saying two things first of all we have to put this -- it's gonna be a court order to eventually come out anyway. Also these kind of disclosures can put distance between the Obama White House in the Bush Administration."

" But at least four memos that were released were barely redacted. Using -- the CA declassify something it doesn't matter because it's completely blacked out so what does that say you."

" It says that President Obama cited against his own CIA director. Leon Panetta I was really trying to push for minimal details so loud and the argument seem to have prevailed inside the White House that more. Rather than less in terms of disclosures will clear."

" Are also some legislators pushing for a as separate investigation into these techniques and Obama has opposed that he says -- Is in effect that's looking backward not forward. How does the release of these memos impact activate."

" This is the real test for Obama going forward -- Pat Leahy the senator John Conyers the congressman have both said that they want some extensive it's gonna independent commission looking into. Not only the interrogations but also the NSA wiretapping program and that could really left for a period of time and could. In the Obama is White House's view poison the well over at the CIA. President Obama did not want to have this lengthy investigation because he's afraid this could have a chilling effect on future intelligence operations so what President Obama has to do now is try to get companies called for a full blown investigation it's."

" Well in fact Obama's attorney general Eric Holder also said yesterday that the Justice Department would provide free legal counsel. To any of the CIA interrogators if they are sued by other -- We're also pay and you legal reparations if there ever found guilty. But. Bush era Justice Department officials like John Yoo and jay by B who originally signed off on these techniques."

" Well -- in the statement yesterday. President Obama did not make any reference to do when Eric did door was open to penalties for the lawyers these absolve the operators but what about the lawyers who approved these techniques and it's a really open question does it Justice Department. An internal report that is due out we believe sometime soon that we're told is a pretty stinging. Rebuke these legal opinions. But I wouldn't mean that there would be criminal penalties for -- but it could mean it's true professional. Penalties or some kind of disbarment it's really open question about whether you could actually prosecute. The lawyers for giving us."

" Well brought Obama took quick action I think was the second day in office to declare some of these interrogation techniques illegal. And as we hear he condemned them again. But the all the same methods that Bush Administration officials say kept the country from being attacked again what political -- is he locking them."

" He's opening himself up to charges from Republicans and others that as for instance if there was another terrorist attack that he didn't do everything possible to keep the country -- So that's why he's trying to -- and there's people in the administration who were trying to shift the debate to the question of effectiveness. Word these techniques -- effective as the Bush Administration and the CIA has -- in getting good information and halting attacks. I think that there -- concern in the White House that they've got -- answer that argument and somehow discredit them and effectiveness basis in order to -- justified not using them again."

" As mark was -- national security correspondent for the New York Times. Mark -- is always. Much."

" A young couple is executed by the Taliban shot by a firing squad and from the crowd. Because they want to elope. 300 women protest a new law that says husband have a right to sexual relations. Their surrounded by a thousand men who stoned them. Just a couple of seems this week in Afghanistan. Presidential elections in Afghanistan are four months away and the Obama administration has outlined a new mission there are so. How's that going. Today a look at Afghanistan with two people in a few minutes the view from an American foreign service worker who's a member of the provincial reconstruction team. But first someone who's charting her own course in the country. You're probably familiar with former NPR reporters -- her she she. Cover the war in Afghanistan and then left NPR to start the she also now advises that commander of NATO troops in Afghanistan and joins us from cobble Sarah welcome."

" did you thoughts on some of the events this week let's start with the protest we understand this new law which applies to Shia women only but it's not that it might affect aloft for Sunni movement is well. -- it makes it illegal for a woman to resist her husband's sexual advances. It requires -- husband's permission from room to work outside the home go to school. And makes it illegal for a woman to refused to make herself proper dress up if that's what her husband wants as we heard. Women protest in which some people -- it was an extraordinary scene but you're thoughts on the whole dust up."

" You know it and it's going to sound funny what I say to you because the terms of that lost count so credibly outrageous to. But the -- and I like to say is that everything that you just detailed as being an alarm that's already in matter of fact in -- I don't know a single woman in -- are not indeed biased I don't know a single woman who is able to perform any activity whatsoever without a -- Explicit permission of the senior -- and her houseful be it. Give her husband or she doesn't. -- You know her younger brother -- senior NATO and the council and so I think we have to get really realistic about what the conditions are for women today. And keep -- up in. You are really political light and what I seen as having taken places it was a pretty adroit political. By President Karzai ahead of elections. Because basically he's playing two ends against the Middle East signed the law or approves of the well which wins him points with good conservative. Religious establishment PH -- or -- Any kind of projects himself to the -- that being the -- Prevent that law from actually being an. So he's trying to basically please everybody at the same time and I think that's what do."

" Well and it reflected in whom we know one of the reasons the US justified the continued presence in Afghanistan was to improve the situation of women and so. Our week in Afghanistan."

" I have to say I think it was still just a little bit confused we may have had its. You know some -- for. Language very early on about how we are here to. In true democratic conditions in nation building and stuff like that but our policy. Never that a policy it was always -- narrow lead or on counterterrorism policy and frankly it's had the opposite effect. Because for example what we -- early on was in power. Well -- and and basically criminals that had been repudiated by the Afghan population. We brought them back because they said they would help questions so cut. And then we put them in positions of power and that we called an Afghan government ought not to."

" That President -- here but other individuals and so."

" The fact is that you will not yet to narrow counterterrorism. Results in Afghans."

" Without. Pursuing a much broader nation building campaign."

" Now we -- women fall in all of I think is a complex question but. Based on my own experience over the last seven years once people feel more secure once there's more. You know political martyr and things like that and that one of society is able to think about. Rights and expansion of liberty for the downtrodden."

" Well last month he wrote an opinion piece for the Los Angeles Times about how are you concerned that President Obama. Was going to lower the bar in Afghanistan because he said the US had no plans to build a Jeffersonian democracy there you wrote this had the effect of a cold shower on the -- you know -- was heart sinking. What are your thoughts on the Obama strategy to -- he's since given his strategy speech on the new mission for Afghanistan including more troops and money for the country."

" Actually I found that the strategy speech was secretly because -- it did so much rhetoric as. That was focused on lowering the bar and only the you know our only interest there is stamping out al-Qaeda bases and stuff like that. -- quite war about what we're gonna come out and they'll probably. Language in the -- at a speech does. Battle in that direction this substance. Very much. Leaves room for maneuver I think to do to kind of multifaceted approach that is absolutely. Jerry you food and achieved even our most narrow objectives."

" For instance in demanding who more write any more jobs who is for instance what."

" In particular what was of special concern to me. He was underlined that it compact with the Afghan government to crack down on corrupt behavior because. Based on my experience of the last seven years that has been. Most important recruiting argument for the -- Is that people are just being abused by government officials that frankly we helped usher -- power and have not held accountable. And it's a free for all and there's really no. Means for a regressive of these grievances for the population. You can't interact with the Afghan government without being hit up for something we active -- Import -- from solar panels. Deterrent could no electricity. And so we need to get off the -- and on to solar energy and I wasn't there are I would have. You know banged on the table rather than doing that but we ended up paying almost 121200 dollars in bribes. After we crossed the border there about eight illegal police told gathering checkpoints between on about an hour drive. If you want to go until damaged in every country gets a certain number of -- to go to pilgrimage. Back in Afghanistan. Want to go on pilgrimage you have to take a -- to the religious affairs abstract. --"

" So you -- some hope in the Obama administration may may be leaning on the government in Afghanistan on that level and what else what else did you see. Or you rescued during."

" I thought was really important also was. It was a line. A dramatic increase in the civilian efforts. I think that's really really critical because it's actually one of the most effective thing. International community has done in Afghanistan has been mentoring. Of the Afghan national army."

" And it means literally you've got you know international. Military officers be American or or from other countries who literally live and work side by side with Afghan counterparts. And his -- apps so we revolutionized Afghan national it is turned into professional. Competent and on corrupt. It's probably the most respected branch of government and and now it seems to a lot of years that a lot of Italian ministry."

" Really benefit from similar to -- her. Side by side -- outcome working with civilians."

" That's their chase a former NPR reporter and an hour in the -- and cooperative in Kandahar and advises the commander of NATO troops. In Afghanistan after the break how -- cooperative doing that we'll also hear. From an American in -- some of working with Afghan civilians they needed a running the Boston Marathon fearful that he believed it. Back in here and now."

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" Welcome back here and now we want to get a few more thoughts from former NPR reporter Sarah jays who now runs the -- cooperative in Kandahar Afghanistan and they produce -- crafted soap for export and we'll hook you up there are. Website and she also advises NATO commanders in the country. Sarah you told us that Afghanistan is a country that's been completely deacons to activate thirty years of combat ended to Q three years what you call embedded mentoring. At -- cooperative -- changed how instinct about doing business gives us an example what you mean."

" You know part of attracted to which structured sinking. Like our store room would simply be correct that and it took me about a year. To explain that you know we need to have one shelf for the bottles at one shelf for the and empty boxes and one shelf Turks."

" Use equipment that we're not actually using everyday anymore but you know we might need the parking permit it like all of these. Would get mixed up. And that kind of ordering and that's occurring are so -- it needs to sewer for about a month. And -- it was to -- Is that you know you'd have oneself for the -- open connection awful it would be the pomegranate soaked with it and the fragrances. Are -- clash with each other stuff. And I would go to to the basement I would find you know the and -- so you know being jerked on the same shelf -- rose so and things like -- and it."

" It's not do this stupidity reaching this attack it's. Kind of deconstruct. Society. And the other really interesting thing as being and quality control and again it's not due to. Not caring or something like that."

" It's just also raw materials are very precious everything is really precious and -- so if we made in the states. And let's say you know the wrong fragrance was added to attach itself well I would say -- that comes off polite we can't. You know two are shocked. And I would have some people say -- couldn't we just -- want her to bark out with each -- and connected but the thing is that our our reputation is everything. And if people buyer so and it's not accept that then we're gonna damage our reputation they'll never buy it again and so we better take a loss now."

" Then perhaps the long term so that's the other really major issue in capacity to think into the future because I can't happen haven't."

" It's our chains of course a former NPR reporter she now runs the -- cooperative in Kandahar that looks like she's. Turn some of the rains and most of the reins over to Afghans he also advises the commander of NATO troops in Afghanistan is speaking to us from cobble. Sarah always a pleasure thank you so much."

" Thank you. So much Robin."

" Well let's turn Nancy James Palmer -- who's a State Department foreign service officer. On a provincial reconstruction team or. He describes checked her on as a fourteen -- town where police carry AK forty sevens and everyone has a cellphone. We last spoke with him nearly 2007 when he was in Baghdad and mortar shells were dropping on the Green Zone. But he's been in Afghanistan for two years and is wrapping up this to a there. And it's a bit more peaceful in Afghanistan as part of his working meets with local government officials and business leaders. And you know and well Serrie is in a more dangerous area and and -- you say -- you admire her for that you have challenges. How do you break the cycle. -- when things are cultural."

" Well -- you -- example. Quote province was declared -- freed by but UN as a result of deputy. We're awarded like a million dollars from what -- electrical almost on Tuesday. X -- for by the government award was made and I went to the governor's office and stock into the governor that is. -- Well okay make up this money and unity you come up with doctor actually contain content of this in an organization torture because it. And -- you can do it everywhere there's a whole what we're gonna -- you know this particular canal or school. And mr. And they said well you can be okay it's not you know not my department responsibility it is sure. It's an issue a little daunted by the idea and that later what we're gonna try and do they were. Trying to enlist the local Ngo local international -- put to -- the -- proposals for -- because they -- they couldn't do it. They're -- extra piece. And there's. Actually look at rickety engine so. You don't help them in and you really want puke but it's their responsibility. It would action news the -- opposite actually it. This -- boy who's been awarded -- the government. Trucks. In it for them choose deliver power to shoot people and if you do this. There on the data to rid of this you can separate -- and they couldn't. We. Need to disclosure and ultimately they were persuaded. And administrative capital comic which is -- These are some of the constitution it."

" Did they get to cut the ribbon."

" You know it was a quarter mile to Afghanistan that. The Islamic calendar sister can mediate but you know -- fourteenth century and things very very slow. In in my area. 8% of the people who work in agriculture and history and culture -- intact and 80% of the population. Agricultural expert bird and you talk a lot of people from the USDA. -- working in Canada. And what what about hold me well the U mister mayor Jerry was working. Well kind of low Scioscia -- but he. -- what they were doing you know what a -- o'clock water that was achieved that was causing you'll. There's a repeat love and when he discovered was it -- department techniques. -- which -- isn't -- water. Their crops that they cut back on the water it would increase the popular by virtue of the Senate and I think it's those types of things. Would be your old Qiyue yeah and you know what would happen at this point is that. The international community -- double -- things for and I think. It has been driven somewhat -- I think we -- picnic -- do more to tell them what to do that."

" That's James Palmer Rosie Daley State Department foreign service officer also a member of the provincial reconstruction team. -- to run in central Afghanistan and we spoke clearly with her Shays in Kabul. Palmer thanks so much and best of luck to you."

" Some stories coming up next week have you heard of Little League -- well. Or marathon training sessions for kids as young as five we'll hear how sports may be hurting kids. But also how some towns of trying to change that one -- out lollipops to parents so they won't be held at matches. That's next week. You're listening to --"

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" cautionary tale from the BBC and a colleague in in London. Re back with barefoot running. And happening here now."

" Matt Fuchs and will be running his first Boston Marathon on Monday 26 miles over Greater Boston roads that hard enough. But that will be running the marathon there for now as soon as we mentioned that we be talking to Matt. Barefoot runners came out of the woodwork did you know astronaut sunny Williams who also ran a marathon in space. Once -- part of the Boston Marathon barefoot when she was a kid. And then immediately hear from a guy known as barefoot -- he's run 42 marathons with -- issues but first that keeps on is on the line from Boise Idaho. That full disclosure union nominee to be bunking in my house this weekend she silence of casually mentioned Armisen is going to be running barefoot. -- I ask why are you doing this."

" Happy about the Rezko is going to have a candidate. Did a few reasons I think that the biggest one for me is it's hitting -- natural form we -- which is a rookie so. I like evolution from the equation and at about five or six months of questioning myself with a really good idea but it didn't. When -- kind of clicked and I'm -- their rhetoric might have from the same feelings on it that. And a at a certain point just it's felt right and -- I've had to completely retrain the way Iran."

" there let's let's add to inspect appear for a second because I might heels were hurt when I think about running twenty. We would have stepping on a rock stepping on glass trolley tracks have you seen -- potholes."

" Yes it's funny you it's there's been a totally different focus that you have when -- certain benefit because. He can no longer certain zone out on a walk or run and you have to really focus on where you're stepping every every step it's been absolutely crucial that you know it it's really it's not of those income -- there's certain asphalt that's really difficult to run on but educate used to written. You your body finds a way that's about your body figures out how to not to hurt itself."

" Well for so you mentioned you'd change your training so how are you training. Because you're earning their --"

" I guess we can't do that many miles says some of the conventional programs are only run about three times a week. With -- him -- on tape that I've had to run after problem statement I would typically you have other ones -- which -- or not I don't think that's very healthy."

" You're gonna attract -- on right here."

" Urgent you know we have we have some pretty great trails here boys -- advertisements like -- foothills and but general just run about three times a week but an across China Dubai -- worse when."

" Knowing -- at this sort of a shell. That some bare foot runners put on the bottom of their feet that's not quite shoe but."

" So yeah had done. I did it at -- and it it was a really great transition from going which used to going barefoot for me it's basically just a rubber soul that wrapped around her foot. So it doesn't necessarily give you support like if you look at this protection."

" met a what you see right there because I want to bring in Rick labor otherwise known as barefoot wreck. And Rick running for you it truly is a religion and and you raise money for different causes. He'll be running your 43. Barefoot marathon on Monday in."

" That's correct Robin in this will be my fifth Boston Marathon my first two I -- shoes. And 92004. I ran my first Baer fled Boston's so I'm very familiar with the course."

" speaking just in case you are in Kansas City, Missouri and Rick you know we've got beautiful straightaway is out there you know life. The roads there are so inviting for runner uniqueness as far as the horizon. We're attacking that our roots here the -- verify and other fine yeah."

" How you get down by Fenway and they get a little Dicey someplace is with the train tracks and that sort of thing but you know inch by inch it's essential Robin. He can't think way down there aren't you can't. You just gotta say hey I'm decider for 26 miles an amount here to have some fun."

" A possible that this this doesn't hurt your feet because sneaker companies you know have been selling us more more expensive issues -- more more support. And."

" That is the problem right there -- basically we've -- her feet to the extent where we need all discussion and the problem has has a lot of times issues start to wear out and and folks don't replace them and then -- they -- stupid like I did you know with a pair of -- serious. And then you do a lot of he'll striking a -- lot of lateral shock up tyrannies. Barefoot running for me forces proper technique and so my -- used to be really bad. Now they're good. You know for for what I do Robin with. For my charities and that sort of thing I still like to say I've had physical problems with my knees but now I I've found a spiritual. The connection with my -- also because I dropped to my knees and I pray lord Jesus how do you want me to. Raise money. At this particular marathon or whatever."

" And this is so admirable reckon we're gonna be rooting for -- for the marathon as we talk to you in -- you know. What would you say to people who say. You know one false step -- on a piece class or something in."

" That the thing is so it's it's if you look out for the big stuff and you don't worry about the little stuff it's kind of a metaphor for life. A little pieces of glass won't bother you as far as your not stripping your feet of course there's going to be a little bit of discomfort sometimes but 99 point 9% of Iran is fine."

" On thinking that runners that I see coming you know at the inimical into the tent. Their feet look like pac ten may be wearing sneakers."

" Aren't pretty much always look like that's."

" Well not -- Matt -- is there anything that you want to ask Rick given that excellence in many of these."

" I'm a -- curious about the actual course itself. Since I haven't I've never been bought in Europe CNET."

" What I remembers once you get to Boston College you're going downhill the the textures may get a little bit. More broken up but the first twenty miles or find the textures of the roads are fine. Plenty of pain and lines maps are you know."

" Fayette students episode and continued its. It's funny you look at you look at presents just such a different way after do in this."

" You guys are repeated lines as that nice smooth plains."

" Yeah that's definitely a must there there it's you can have projected out about that and that's the only but it."

" We -- wondering how big is this movement. I don't think that the Adidas or Nike or Reebok has anything to worry about really believe there. I believe there is a a contingent out there. Myself personally I haven't -- and and over five years now I've ran over thirteen thousand barefoot miles I run and snow and ice down to about ten degrees after -- five. I don't feel like everybody can do an actual God's given me a specific gift and I just kind of turned it around and made it not about me and tried to make it about other people."

" Now whether you why are you doing."

" Sort of on the -- in Nevada I feel like I'm just a normal guy just to kind of make an example that -- subsidy you really can't accomplish it and did you apply. I go out there and different reverend -- have conversations somebody -- and in -- them. Maybe you could walk to work when their bikes to work there. Which is sort ask questions in general and -- so much about yourself when you put yourself out there and have the experience. Which is really it's all happened --"

" Well quicken that we wish all the best and I'm thinking it's a chip on both your parts -- and and noble effort. And they will be absolutely. No shoot sponsorship in it for you."

" I turned on so many ads to my website and that -- and -- just shifted my my focus I mean you know the first few times it was kind of like K this is great look at me even now it's kind of like how can I help other people on Nash is what I wanted to --"

" I think this is more about what an issue -- not about going out enjoying life. And I appreciate the doctors kind of source sort."

" Well will be reading PU and as the Peco but will be looking for yours that's Matt Fuchs and and Rick -- and leaky Rick's website if you want to support his many -- thanks so much to both of you. Customer trump an end before we go to today generally Haines he must be the bus driver. This is gonna take some students to school and here's a taste."

" A lesson in the united jazz coming with Roy Haynes at Harvard when we come back you're listening here now."

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" Welcome back you're in now owns."

" Recently the Harvard University jazz band dove into drummer Roy Haynes jazz classic snap crackle. About twenty players seven -- choose an overstuffed couches in the band practice from seemingly unfazed by the fact that Roy Haynes was there listening. As part of Harvard's masters in residence program was 84 year old jazz legend. The -- with everyone from miles to Pat Metheny. Will -- and ultimately perform with the students snap crackle is his signature song off of his nickname he knows well. And while the students sounds great Rick Ames -- band director Tom Everett. Something different."

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" Because if that was. And I I know. One and two and three and that a pop up that was something that. The big bad disease big bad they would do when that type of thing in the forties up. I think that's hard to do so maybe silly liberal idiots this is -- It allowed to book. Anyway it will be -- to edit."

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" Students are thrilled that music again one -- he now feels one degree of separation from Miles Davis. And drummer Christopher Crowe excellent prepared to turn his -- over ruling so he could tinian. --"

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" I don't know. But didn't he didn't think that something I would do the left and right hook into it -- it didn't. -- it did -- that's where that came."

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" Drama recently told me that he heard Miles Davis told Tony Williams. And Roy Haynes is the only got to connect to the snapped up and miles and I had played together. And I -- quoted with a 1951. Blue room."

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" Roy Haynes. Raised in Roxbury Massachusetts where his brother -- who are still well known minister. He says it's sweet to come home and took place he once viewed as I didn't he and out of his week. So remains goes to Harvard."

" It's very exciting to come back and meet the people at home and I'm totally -- Now's the time."

" Helicopter armament. For us playing with telephone from my team for the night. We placed backstroke. And that was exciting yeah. He didn't tell me. That. I was. His favorite drama but -- so tell other people that. Like Sam elated that he was married to at the time even at his funeral. She grabbed me by the arm says you have to set up -- you -- Charlie Parker's favorite drama. And and we do know what that meant what it was you did or didn't do I don't know I often wonder what it was could've been. The way day. Played the symbol the -- would swing so to speak out. You know painting adding that they could put the bad thing."

" You told me before you think about it a lot and."

" Good memories that you really using kids you would play on. That's I would -- Friends and candidate assuming at a school and and you I think you're anxious but you look -- what he was thinking. For I think it's that was an -- and as the elbow. Did you just think about overtime. Ball was in rhythm walkin' --"

" Roy Haynes he's sort of the Forrest Gump of jazz in that he's been president so many moments in jazz history. I asked him what he thinks his legacy will be."

" Is welcome we just one thing. I -- with several awful long time I played with Billie Holiday here in in Boston public would -- stroll of Dakota would -- solves played -- from -- trains to -- with a mean. The Allman Brothers I don't know I think I belong and believe Obama by -- Elaine thanks so much thank you."

" Okay that is what we've been from when this."

" Roy Haynes rehearsing with the Harvard jazz club. As part of Harvard's jazz master in residence program."

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" The program includes an interview over into the public tonight with jazz writer Bob Blumenthal. And a concert with the students tomorrow night Maureen go to our website here and downtown -- Here and -- his production of WBUR Boston association with the BBC world service and PRI. I'm talking up have a great weekend and please join us again."

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