Title: Here and Now for Monday, April 6, 2009

" Here now is a production of WBUR Boston in association with the BBC world service and PRI. I'm running on it here and now as President Obama lines up his European visit his top economic adviser Lawrence Summers. Is making headlines at home. The -- times reports today that Summers made about five million dollars over two years working just one day a week. At a Wall Street hedge fund Summers is -- listing hedge funds to help with the government's bank bailout program. Meanwhile the Boston Globe reports that sixty years ago when Lawrence Summers was president of Harvard. An employee warned him about the dangers of the complex financial instruments the school endowment was investing in. An employee was soon fired and ultimately received an undisclosed settlement from Harvard. And those instruments she warned about help rained on the financial markets in the to a 22% drop in Harvard's endowment. That Healey of the busting -- covering the story and -- did this employee iris Mac hold."

" She was a quantitative. Analysts and she had been working at Harvard management which runs endowment for about four months."

" And what did she tell Lawrence Summers."

" Well she apparently told Lawrence as well -- chief of staff that she has seen things that troubled her and her brief time working for the endowment. And those things included the use of derivatives that people did not seem to be experts that. She went towards summer to one of the -- citizens and one letter that I have seen by her lawyer said that she was deeply troubled and pride expecting she has seen -- job she asked. Mr. Summers not to let anyone know which was coming to him because it could make her life a living hell -- Well after some amount of they apparently turned over the documents to Jack Meyer who ran the Harvard endowment and Jack cauldron with office and hire her."

" Well this is originally reported and Harvard crimson. And when you contacted Harvard they pointed out the that the endowment at 37 billion dollars. Averaged nearly 14% over the past ten years despite that 22% loss last year. So in effect what are they saying about someone who tried to -- whistle blower."

" Harvard is nothing very much directly about the particular person and what they are claiming instead when anyone comes to them and complains about something like this that they check it out thoroughly investigated. And this matter apparently was dismissed."

" The -- about Larry Summers to you."

" It's unclear. Exactly what it says but I think any person who goes to an -- Employer at the whistle blower thinking that -- something wrong and expired months later it's probably had a bit chilling as far as what he go to the box when you. Are concerned about some."

" Well meticulous as a female employee in of course he famously had a run in with Harvard faculty. When he said that women and I'm paraphrasing but women weren't as smart in science --"

" Yes sent to. Let's remember that Irish Mac actually holding doctorate in mathematics from Harvard so she's certainly well trained."

" We're not like this say about Larry Summers financial acumen and there are other -- is speaking out as an around the same time against a -- is most famously Warren Buffett. Who called them weapons of mass destruction."

" I think it was during the boom it was when times were good people are making a lot of money and so a lot of smart minds in the investment world as we now know. Took on a lot of risk that made quite a lot of money for awhile."

" Well an iris Matt did she have a sense of I told you so."

" I think she's being a little bit modest about that right now but I do think she -- convinced that Chistov something's wrong in Hartford portfolio."

" Lawrence Summers is now the top economic adviser in Washington. He he told -- times that -- a brief stint at the hedge funds would help him in sorting out the mess we're in today but. Is just -- and he might be too close to that mess and maybe too blind to it."

" Well I think one thing that everyone's pretty concerned about right now some of the people in charge of fixing the economy or some other people who were very much a part of and who were cut up and all of the craziness coming upside and so to extent that they can bring their lessons learned. They can probably help."

" And we will see Beth Healy business reporter for the Boston Globe thanks so much. It's rainy season well it's always rainy season cancel here in a moment from the country's top rabies official. But spring marks a rise in reported cases and three year old Michelle -- center of chino valley Arizona. And -- us and our alert today -- rabies. Packers as a cautionary tale Michelle runs about eight miles a week on a trail at the base of granite mountain near Prescott Arizona. But one -- fawn. While the children's on the line let her tell a story you're on the trail running Michelle what happens."

" Well -- that is yeah about a mile and let down the canyon left -- just ran down and then he had on basically I've come across animals several times. Up there they'll go about their business they want nothing to do the field and so this is very very bizarre and I went to step back in the -- I've moved."

" It came and -- directly at my."

" Oh my gosh and DD is -- he did the fox get any unit."

" Oh yeah I gotta get Baidoa where -- struck a scandal that's but I run and and ability he etiquette. But it might -- It can inside the blood I was like oh my god this box is rapid and I need to give Michael the hospital and -- try to contain toxic."

" You know read -- way you you live you put together."

" I mean that would I was walking up to me I I was thinking that. Animals don't behave in this man."

" So you've got to fudge you know it's rabid which you do."

" The -- come back at me and goes right about my left knee I just grabbed by the neck and withholding any thrashing around quite dead and he's. Went over you'd be able to latch onto my last. Forearm and that was when I was like okay I got to pick your listening need to give myself the hospital and needed confined animal thing get and protesting and he can other have to."

" So you did your mile in the canyon when you do."

" But they're running and it's. Mostly as a shock does discern and really hurt and and I actually felt really really got -- the pocket Batman have a damn."

" I'm Pamela alert and looking -- down and my arm and the fox and I."

" And that the -- even with the politics this is very hard for me."

" And I had to keep telling myself -- holding it by the neck and it's running had to keep coming up this animal will be dead and a couple of days from the disease in the most horrible manner possible. And -- I have to do something about it for the animals bake for any other animals that would come or people that would come into contact with."

" And for years he amber might -- yeah."

" And I got to the car up in the trunk and that might Fletcher wrapped around fox and -- of the -- can. And then headed for hospital."

" Now you called him a new cellphone in an animal control officer me -- there. The fox than those was."

" All right now I think I opened the trunk or her and she thought she had one -- new loops they use for. She thought she had around Fox's -- use it flips bright outlook and if it jumped out at what happened to start and bitter right on the elbow."

" Okay so another two view and it didn't. Eventually the fox is contained. Or when you went into the emergency room what do they tell you."

" Oh well they -- had -- immediately start the speculations theories and we had already determined that that -- gravity another testing haven't been done."

" He hasn't left you -- U. Still a little shaken."

" Well I think the hardest. Flooding is what at what Michael backup running their -- I must -- like I my heart goes a little bit faster and you know I've carried it I put me now and also just even dealing with regular people's pets now -- kind of think twice we just can't get that."

" One of the things we are learning is that you might have been less injured if -- killed the fox. On the trail could you have done."

" I don't know so it the other 200 definitely something that I've thought about."

" Mr. it was also in the April edition of runner's world. What struck you about the reaction from other people other women runners."

" You know it's been interesting for women and for men I have I was shocked at how many people. Would say."

" I would just laid out indict or ran around screaming in a circle and -- You know deadly happened. And I'm like well yea it was very interesting that a lot of people that had no idea how to react."

" That's Michelle -- set a runner from chino valley Arizona. Who survived an attack by a rabid fox. We understand that you heard about another man in your area who was also attacked by a rabid fox what he did."

" You know you -- something -- to do he had gay walking to keep. So when he was attacked he just killed. And and then recently and -- I don't know if it is also and you have a pike county."

" Fortunately -- do you see how much is attacked four people. And one of the patrons at try to take a picture of it with his cell phone bending down and getting close and it --"

" Which is one of the most dangerous places get attacked without the rabies virus because the so called your brain doesn't have that argument."

" You know it does sound like a terrible stupid joke. We Leno -- animals with rabies are desperate for water. Saddam. And Iraq. Michelle thanks so much. Again Michelle Phillips center who survived an attack by a rabid fox will bring inducted Charles blueprint. Get some facts he's chief of the rabies program at the Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta the go to guy. For eighties doctor root product is the show story the unusual."

" Although it's it's what goes on every -- I think it's a great example of the sort of things can happen in Europe."

" Thank you are right you just have for a -- well what is happening right what happened wrong there I mean she she felt she had a then run back to her car with this fox is you know teeth embedded in her arm was at the right thing to do."

" Point if you think that's from the other things could have which could fall with the affable. It could have gotten even more aggressive and she could've had a major vessel. Ruptured."

" This is as you know as we heard this is tough for people it sounds like you're saying because the animal wouldn't stop attacking that you -- you do have to. --"

" Yes where it's a very unfortunate situation these animals -- and in this stage. Really you're left with very little to do in a situation like this."

" How common is this."

" And it -- so -- an extreme case spurred on what should happen to be in Hawaii you confined animal great pieces in every port or even like. Hawaii is currently -- freed -- state thanks so that's splendid isolation -- be you know in the Pacific we have had. Some cases of importation. Of -- and -- for example. Apparent that was cargo carrier."

" Well we have heard you say these this these really provocative words we live in a sea of Reading. And still so odd because dogs and cats get rabies shot so it seems as if what used to be a bigger problem with dogs has now been you know a later little bit why. Do we have so much babies."

" We have to recognize that the true reservoirs that true post. But rabies count they're. Our wildlife. And so it's akin to -- search. For the -- of softly falling trees. In poorly visited forest if one has a disease of nature that you don't have an active surveillance program. To detect it it really by and large is lost so many of us until you hear throughout. Such unfortunate stories is the --"

" Compared to some of the country's."

" Sure most people in the world some of those tens of thousands of unfortunate victims. Star they still because of -- transmissions. From talks we've been able to eliminate it. Parties vaccination and by conducting surveillance and then dole. And and perhaps."

" and -- the number of confirmed cases where do we stand there."

" It's very interesting you know what country in the world has the greatest number of laboratory confirmed cases of -- you know it's it's. It's. The degree of surveillance that was put into place post World War II to first try and eliminate two O'Grady the provided aesthetic kind of information. And actually well -- to protect cases rabies in wild place. That are really served as well over four decades."

" Are you saying that at. You know we have that highest number of confirmations because there reporting system is the best nothings -- promised the --"

" Articulate and certainly the the public as a whole."

" If you think that story of the Roger in the fox if she didn't believe it was truly if -- looked -- unfortunately should be cash he's."

" And -- number -- abducted child contracted the CDC in 2007 only one person contracting rabies that was in Minnesota out of the thousands who have beaten and got prophylaxis. But there -- over 7000 cases reported in animals are learning what to look out for -- just ahead. How do you know an animal is -- back after break here and now."

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" Welcome back here and now and conversation with doctor Charles -- cracked chief of the rabies program at the CDC in Atlanta about -- More about what we all should look for we have these images -- of what rabies is a mean. If he sought To Kill a Mockingbird. Classic movie there's you know Atticus finch has."

" He's just dog in the middle of main street -- Of course the idea of crude joke."

" Does snarling and a dog in the Stephen King on our -- stories so we'll have these images that you say it doesn't have to be -- it doesn't have to be. You know foaming at the mouth."

" That's not the way necessarily that we are going to. See great piece it may not be that it's certainly shouldn't be that full wouldn't talk in the middle of streets. It can be as subtle as a kitten that we see. We believe that by car on the street and try to help but of course get scratched or bitten and in the animal disappears. It could be. The down -- in the schoolyard that children come across. That's paralyzed and is now Indians stages the -- rabies viruses spread is expiration of Parsons saliva samples will go ahead next creek raid these fires their saliva sometimes these before they appear obviously built to a in so animals may be completely normal and we still can get exposed to rabies and our contemporary school. We were told that the only characteristic things about rabies is that can be uncharacteristic. In its presentation and so it normally. Aggressive -- more one that would dot com and the contact with people such as wobbly they certainly lose their fear of people. And similarly normally aggressive animals. They become abortion on -- Oftentimes animals have such disorder behavior as experience take -- it is injection of foreign objects -- it would force stones. And they they attack inanimate objects of course."

" Look this is you know kind of scary because a lot of dogs attacked cars and you know a lot of animals get quiet when something's going on so it's kind of unsettling that you you may not know when an animal has -- these. Do they always have to be killed. To find out."

" The viruses and there are -- and it -- the nervous system. Moves into the central nervous system from the -- free into the spinal cord into the brain. Where reproduces itself the only definitive way is still ahead in happier you to analyze and examined its brain. So Faris cannot give -- to the slide -- with -- replicated first in the brain. And although there are. Test and it would be ideal if we could just -- it takes off from an more safe as a rapper turned on the sensitivity and specificity of such. -- has not been established and so it's still the gold standard for work Brady's prognosis. Is the extermination of utilized animal's brain."

" Well is -- a reminder way she keep your pets unleashed."

" I think this is a great explanation for why we should keep our animals up to date on their vaccinations. And restraint he person's dog or cat who fights and other normally able under go ten day quarantine. If that -- cat has a history of being unsupervised until potentially exposed to rabid animals out there. Of the recommendations may be euthanasia."

" If fellow human is bitten by a rabid animal is that. By always fatal if they don't get a prophylactic since they don't get. Some kind of medication."

" Bites from rabid animals are not always fatal because it depends in part. Upon the rabies farce -- talking to go out there are many different periods it depends upon the dose. Resource is excoriated intermittently. In the saliva and also the route its severity so -- hardest case it's reality. Rates -- that the taxpayer rabid wolves because the way that will attract. Series severe bites the head the fires can actually be penetrating into the skull and into the brain itself and situations."

" And you have have been looking at ways to vaccinated wildlife. How do you reach wildlife."

" It was my predecessor at the feet that it George -- who actually came up with -- an awful idea automatic devices would come up. Out of the ground the needle or syringe it was like a rube Goldberg like device to evacuate these animals automatically."

" It is a wonderful description of me you guys like mad scientists trying to. Figure out how to for instance take traps that were designed to kill animals and adapt them to instead she and liquid vaccines the and -- now murders yeah there was a vaccine filled needles in the trap and so. An animal would be injected when it's set off the -- you."

" Obviously one has logistical problems do that. And this is -- concept of world vaccination. Was born. Safe and effective vaccines that could be in close to the date and distributed. Its concept went from the laboratory CDC -- colleagues in Europe. The Swiss became the first ones plea that the Germans. Now all of Western Europe it's free of rabies in red foxes."

" Well when you're continued here in the US which has more animal populations with rabies and you say. After a hundred million doses here coyote babies has been eliminated there had been inroads against red fox rabies here in the northeast. Now you're working on the gray fox dunks and back and that's -- so valuable -- eating insects like mosquitoes so you tell us as an idea floating to have insects carry a vaccine to that. Meantime we started off with really bizarre story of a runner who had a fox attacker in left to itself on her arm in. Some of the stories you've heard I mean I'm a -- for animal."

" Situations where body. Radio weatherman grown -- helicopters possibly have a potentially rabid bat. Mission to the helicopter windshield in the pilot and the reporter covered with brains and various. -- All the way to the sublime move people changing a -- winning and helping get rabies that way because they ran over a dead skunk in the road and we're afraid. Because of Procter and won't change -- So is many bizarre situations as she can think of from this the -- these people get exposed to rabies or potentially exposed. Every day."

" That's -- to Charles who practiced T for the rabies program at the Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta. I've got -- thanks so much for speaking with us pleasure."

" Let's -- on here know the story of private first class David Sharon he was killed in Iraq initially the -- hit by enemy fire. But a former student of his father's sets out to help the family find the truth. About their son's death by friendly fire. Also it would seem hard to find the woman in Virginia writes only good news taking -- That's tomorrow here in."

" I'm running young it's here."

" And now Leila Khalil and her family survived three car bombings in Baghdad. Now one of her sons is at the -- and a daughter is a Fulbright scholar at Binghamton university in New York. With the family now lives a former librarian little love to go to the immigrant center in town -- practice English. The very nice husband and wife from Haiti he took classes that the immigration center in the morning and worked in the afternoon always home by suffered agreed to two kids. The Burger King a 72 year old mother of ten was substitute teaching at the center last Friday. She'd sent five cents to Cornell they want her to retires he -- at that. -- king Mark -- of Bernard and Manila Camille were among the victims of the shooting in Binghamton, New York. Before that story blends into the many other shootings this past week and from Pittsburgh Griffey police officers were killed. To Washington State where a man killed his five children. We want to know the victims and Binghamton T endorse Obama leads the sacred heart Ukrainian Catholic Church in Binghamton -- to Obama. He church had a real -- tell us about the victim union."

" Yes some -- a result of result it was a very active parishioner. Over parish and very active overall in the Ukrainian community here in the southern sheer. New York State's. She. It was a very vociferous. Proponent of four a Ukrainian ethnicity. She enjoyed who she was what she was which also understood where she was."

" She was sixty years old she wasn't supposed to be at the center on Friday I understand that she was gonna be baking for the church. But she did go win."

" Yes so we have our our -- bizarre than Saturday. And on Friday issues spoke to help along with the other. Members of our parish too big to the -- because indeed the nut rolls down rules for the day but she was called into help with --"

" How she'd come to be ending in ten Ukrainian."

" Her parents were part of the -- that left with Expedia Soviets ever entering into western Ukraine for parents emigrated from that area. From Austria which was born and then broke. And then -- came here to the southern tier of New York State in Binghamton, New York she grew up in this parish. She came here as a young child eight years old. As she remembers her mother making progress if you. Yes they have and -- make your supposed to call penalties. This is being interdisciplinary capital of of the US to recognize as such. I still don't please put the dumplings he can be -- Palin she's she's you know various fruits or whatever but. But she was -- her mother used to do that to raise money health care for the church and she continue that tradition -- for children. Who know Ukrainian very well. It up perfectly and just for children of world three daughters and one son. All of them very well educated and part of the US the community as a whole but also very proud and active in the ukrainians part of the US."

" We know you officiated at the weddings of two of her children she said she didn't church since the age of eight. Older people look at her as their daughter younger people looked to her as their teacher. And she's part of this incredibly rich community immigrant community obviously loyal to the center. Where she was killed and just how has this hit Binghamton a lot of us. Used to drive through Binghamton on our way to colleges in upstate New York -- surprised at how it how many different nationalities are living in now and how. You know almost 11 from each go on how is this hit content."

" Oh look it's obviously -- great shock to everyone here our church that in itself is not a large community. Although there are many other Ukrainian community here. So to have someone from our community. Who would still active for us to organize all all of our ethnic events. It's a -- somebody it's important that it's it was very shocking very difficult -- and then you hear people from. So many different parts of the world. That wanted to become US citizens that I think the best way extended that were willing to to acclimate themselves to do list but not assimilate. Because they were proud and as Maria was very proud of who who they were and where they came from but also very proud of who they were becoming. Because almost all of them will be. Becoming US citizens."

" Big loss in town which. -- for the teenagers who Bala of the sacred heart Ukrainian Catholic Church to be burying sixty year old means of news. This Wednesday. And other things so much for students."

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" Welcome back question who owns Rainwater in Colorado the Los as the state test. Come -- has a semi arid climate and when it does rain some residents collected in barrels for gardens and lawns it's called Rainwater harvesting. And according to current state law that illegal. There's a bill before the Colorado legislature that would allow Rainwater harvesting answered scenarios and another bill just passed to explore the effect of collecting mean. In a minute -- going to hear from a developer who wants to build more than 10000 new homes each with a cistern to collect Rainwater so obviously he wants to change the law. But first a town official who vehemently opposes that frank -- is district manager at the parker water and sanitation district in south Denver. Frank explained Colorado water a lot of it stands now it says water must flow freely."

" In Colorado water lauded as a 150 year history and it's based upon first in time first in right by that I mean. The person who filed on the oldest and water right on the screen. As of right through his water before anybody else concerning water. Rainwater harvesting of -- the amount of water getting to the stream and in fact. -- changes Colorado water Milosevic to junior most junior water right is taking its water prior to a senior right."

" again you're the manager of the parker water and sanitation district and imagines a lot of water and you've paid for do you really think it. You know harvesting in packs that --"

" I think if if you're talking about the grandmother who is harvesting or water associated however flower garden. Probably not. But in this case were talking about -- macro scale harvesting Rainwater that. Keeps the river flowing seizure was killed by 27 cuts and at all start it was small cuts the reality of it is. You've got a subdivision that trying to get promoted and built. That they're short of water doesn't have enough water to meet its needs and if that is allowed in one case it'll be allowed a hundred or more. And that affects the law of the river."

" What happens if not a lot of water is harvested there was a water study commissioned in 2007 by some Colorado water districts in the -- and it just. 3%. Of rain falling on undeveloped land. Makes it back into the stream system this is in a dry year 15%. Makes it back in a -- year. So it's not as if there's a lot that it actually flows to streams and goes into the ground anyway."

" Well every drop of more issue that hits the ground keeps the ground. -- so that additional ran runs off the ground into the river and it affects. The person has the senior writes. To give you an example of -- buying senior writes on the streams you're talking. In the neighborhood of fifteen to 20000. Dollar per acre foot and each acre foot could serve. To single family residence so if I have a seniors right here. And I'm serving right now on serving 45000. People's 16000 homes. That affects the cost of water to those people. The consumers in my district have paid a dear price for this quarter parker water and sanitation district is say not for profit organizations. Serving the public so the public has paid for everything that we own and operate. If and when you start giving away a resource that has been paid for by the public -- you're getting in the somebody else's money that you shouldn't have a right to do."

" But on the other hand you could say that people who collect Rainwater in rain barrels. I really collecting what's bearers. Ineffective because. When the water just runs down into the river and towns like viewers purify it impacted active people at the same water."

" It's not the same water if they don't live in the district that guy is in the water rights that I yeah."

" I -- so they're doing it sort of upstream from you turn."

" And which are talking about here is a junior water right. And you're moving that junior writes I head of the person who is an 1850s. Water right you're lying veggie intake of water first."

" That's frank pig -- district manager at the park the water and sanitation district in parker Colorado to south of Denver who wants Rainwater harvesting to remain illegal in Colorado. Thank thank you so much for giving us your point of --"

" Start -- welcome. And I do know that developers going to talk to him. We have remained on relatively friendly term so this may change all that I don't know."

" Click of -- and yet turn into Chinatown. The film of course it would at the base of there was a fight over water rights just as question of frank. Is part of this that you that you feel like he's slippery slope and then we have a time ahead of us when some analysts it's gonna get even more series."

" Sure this if you if you look at wrong what happened even down enough. Atlanta Georgia. They had a severe drought they had a problem with water delivery it's happening all over the country have to go to New York City. They have their own separate issues on delivering water but water is a key element in every municipality. Worldwide."

" Frank thanks so much York. Well let's turn out to that developer Harold samples he's trying to build more than 10000 homes in southwest Denver. They would use a system assistance some right by people's homes together in order let's get his response to frank --"

" The first people I know."

" Always set too well he's hoping it stays that way you."

" Eight years ago -- disagree doesn't mean have to be disagreeable."

" Well Carol make your argument and you want you to Rainwater for landscaping you want to gathered as Lisa and Lisa Stearns. Frank says first you pay for that water as he did and second if you collect Rainwater it may reduce the water level of rivers and streams. That ultimately bring water to him and others who did pay. And you're so facing criticism because as we say you're hoping to develop thousands of acres of untouched land and some people are saying. Why I bring thousands of people into an area debt is already hurting for water why put more strain on the plan."

" First off people have to have replaced political. And the question is are we going to sprawl. Or record to have a more dense development and eliminate sprawl."

" Isn't too though that some people actually look that's wrong. As. -- that we -- during the development futile."

" Development doesn't equate to sprawl in my mind sprawl. Means acres of rooftops with open space. As opposed to having a planned community. Where you have open space you have more dense -- living together. And you can provide utilities and service and fire and police in an effective manner."

" This what is you -- your planning these giant sisters that we gathering water. What -- view and you know paid to state a feed. For that water."

" What state doesn't -- the water. The water that fell on the land that never made it to the river borders on the land."

" You're singing you're getting it before it hits the rivers."

" Four hits a river and the second question I want to come back to or something you raised the area that that -- that we own and develop. Is surrounded by urban areas there's a city a little into the north loses and there's terror into the west. There's of the largest -- corporate development to the east about us. So we're not stepping way out and taking farmland or something and putting it into development this is what and its problems from all around."

" What happens if you can't do the sisters were you not to the development."

" No we will go forward with the development we are committed to water conservation before we started this project. We went over the country sits who does the best job of water conservation and we found that other states were using half the amount of water that were using in Denver. And we studied how they did it limiting the amount of outside grass and yet having beautiful property by using. Watercolor shrubs and trees the flowering shrubs what you do that. But the next large water supply. Is out of Rainwater."

" And and -- dramatically reduce. The amount of water pitcher Spitzer taking off farmlands of putting in there visibility pump stations and treatment to deliver back go ahead."

" That's herald -- he's a developer who's looking to build more than 10000 homes in southwest Denver. Using sisters to collect Rainwater he wants Colorado to change the luck to allow that. We also spoke earlier with the town official who says he pays for his water rights in Colorado he doesn't want -- unchanged. Let's you know how this all turns out we both love to hear from you -- here now dot org. Click on contact us your thoughts on rain barrels and water rights and anything."

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" Welcome back -- April national poetry month who we're breaking up the party -- to celebrate the new collection of poems to be allowed. It's edited by Robert Hinske very much an ambassador for poetry you might remember his favorite poem project when he was the country's poet laureate. The new book is called sensual pleasures."

" The pounding we've reverberates to dirge of her inclusion and home. We're passion moved and died. Becomes a place where she can hide while all the town and harper side vibrate with her seclusion."

" Be still my heart that's Robert Hinske reading from and an Arlington Robinson's -- Toronto's on the CD that comes with the new book. And Eric Hinske joins us in the studio look back here now."

" Pleasure to be -- and what's the one thing you want people to know reading a poem out -- don't worry about stopping it line endings or for emphasizing -- the poet has taken care of that. Just read and enjoy what you're reading and think about the meaning."

" Who does an example because that is the concern you people don't know we know when you run on."

" Into the next line when deep you know the sentence tells you how to do it I like from and sample Robert frost to referred. Look at the lips was touch of sweetness like it there and once that seemed too much and he's done -- crossed me from sweet things. The flow of was mosque from had great clients brings down in the dusk. I had this word Monday from sprees of honey cycle when they're gathered -- to on the knuckle. Yeah that story that thing I had to swearing in date sprays of Chinese cycle that when they're gathered -- on the knuckle in hopes suit says. -- this were Monday from three's a hundred cycles when they're gathered shrinks to the knuckle. And goes right through there they take care of themselves they -- they don't need any crutch but you could say it is if you're speaking to someone. -- people speak poems."

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" certain employees that isn't as those youth peeking -- anyone that it's their ritual it's not just conversation. Ben Johnson talks about loving that we told that the incidents that poem says. If you then would hear the story first prepare you'd be sorry that you never -- until now either whom too low for -- But the -- along with me when you learned that this if you whose beauty it was -- She shall make the old man and young keep the middle -- stage and let nothing high -- to she'd be the reason why all the world for love me die. And though he's talking Vienna and he's doing it in the meter of twinkle twinkle little star."

" Write. About it should say that -- Penske was just doing all of that reading from his head. I have one -- in my head it's. Was really in the slightly to hosted -- gimbal by the label -- in -- outbreak I don't know why I -- from fourth to be on the look Robin. This is from Alice in wonderland Jabber what he should never Lackey. And I don't know I remember that from fourth grade and it obviously is nonsense sense and nonsense -- matters of degree it's not a political one where's the other. I'm bring in someone else that's at the table elicits Jody Adams she's owner and James beard award winning chef of Rialto it's a restaurant. Here in the Boston area. Petition here offers some food for the soul. Because -- is one of the many readers who's going to be. With Robert Penske at a reading here in the Boston area and you can find out about an -- website here in mountain route. And to Jenny just Ito first of all you learn shift although I note Robert that you write in the book. Like the arts of dancing singing mining and drawing the art of poetry involves an essential that. Di Jodi you have an appetite."

" I think I too am I was thrilled to be asked to do this it's not what I naturally to read poetry -- books -- Central in our lives but it's always wonderful to be asked to do something that you don't typically to an extent -- your hand and that's the way. This feels that shakes you up that puts things in perspective. And sent to a course that perhaps was different from where you started the day will apply only Ukraine need. I'm going to read -- Palma and mark strand called old man -- party. Okay I want to hear a little bit from you but I should say to listeners I mean you're not in the wallflower in fact. We first worked together on the late Greek cooking game show ready set cook on a food channel. But -- somewhat reserved and incident to stand up and read a poem in front of people who could. It's a little nervous making. But I was invited two years ago to read the night before Christmas. With the pops. And I had so much fun doing that I thought what the hell you know who cares to do it so read the -- the pump can. Classes. Old man -- party. It was clear when I left the party. That though I was over eighty. I still had a beautiful body. The moon shone down -- it would down on moments of deep introspection. The wind held its breath. And -- somebody's left Amir's leaning against a tree. Making sure that I was alone. I took off my shirt. The flowers -- their grass nodded their moon washed heads. It took off my pants. And the mag -- circled the -- Down in the valley the creaking river was still flowing once -- was flowing once more. How strange that I should stand in the wilds alone with my body. I know what you're thinking. I was like you ones. But now with so much before me so many emerald trees and we'd wait and fields. Mountains and lakes how could not be only myself. This stream of flash from moment to moment. -- Penske. How to -- active on that I didn't I think some mobile phone moment by putting in India is stumbled but it doesn't look cares right now."

" It doesn't matter in the case of -- playing music I'm taking guesses like cooking you don't have to do exactly the same way every time. Thank god most are -- life are not golf. Poetry is more like -- part of the point is you feel different every time well why did you."

" Choose the poems that he did -- looking -- open to one by Margaret -- it's that the great closing it's a variation on the word sleep it's got a great closing stanza. I would like to be the air that inhabits -- for a moment only have like to be that unnoticed. I'd like to be that unnoticed and that necessary. Yes the air around somebody sleeping."

" What why did you choose them -- I mean it's too many to choose from."

" I have to had a certain feeling in a little it's like -- only to consider saharan affect your -- stands I'm happy to confess that I discovered this -- through the favorite poem project. And I read it and I got that feeling with. I would like to watch you sleep -- I would like to sleep refused to enter your sleep -- its smooth dark waves flies through my head. And walk with you. And that loosened wavering Faris of in green leaves but it's bordering son and three moons but the cave where you must defend. -- your worst fear. And you know I had have a section this book or another section called -- phones. Disqualified yeah."

" Poet Robert Hinske and -- of the new book essential pleasures and anthology of poems that sound great when read aloud as -- Jody Adams chef at Rialto here in Boston she Robert will be part of poetry reading -- the first parish church meeting house in Cambridge Massachusetts. Tomorrow night for investors in the series go to our website here and now dot org to find out more. Thank you both for coming in thank you -- a pleasure."