Title: Here and Now for Friday, April 17, 2009

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" Here now is a production of WBUR Boston in association with the BBC world service and PRI. I'm Robin Young it's here and now so what's report card on president Obama's handling of those just released secret memos. Which gave us new details on the approved CIA interrogation techniques during the Bush Administration. President Obama condemned the techniques which the most tell us included slamming detainees into walls and putting them in boxes with insects that last -- known technique that was -- actually carried out. The precedent also -- all the interrogators who did carry out techniques including waterboarding which he hasn't outlined. Mark was -- national security correspondent for the New York Times. Mark we know the ACLU's sued the government to release these memos and there was accord deadline yesterday that that might have hastened. Their release but spin discussion in the Obama White House about whether or not they should have been released."

" Well it was a pretty bitter fight that went down to the wire. Leon Panetta -- the CIA director was arguing that. Putting out the full details of these memos. Might really lead -- future disclosures of intelligence sources and methods and -- it was kind of a slippery slope if you put these out you might have to start declassified operational files to the CIA is used find out exactly intelligence that they've learned from the detainees still he was really trying to push back against full disclosure and the other side you had Eric Holder and Gregory Craig to -- needs. In the Obama White House in the Justice Department saying two things first of all we have to put this Dowd it's gonna be a court ordered eventually come out anyway. And also these kind of disclosures can put distance between the Obama White House in the Bush Administration."

" But at least four memos that were released were barely redacted. Using NCAA declassify something it doesn't matter because it's completely blacked out so what does that say you."

" It says that President Obama. -- against his own CIA director. Leon Panetta I was really trying to push for mid bumblebee -- so loud and the argument seem to have prevailed inside the White House that more. Rather than less in terms of just."

" Will there are also some legislators pushing for a as separate investigation into. These techniques and Obama has opposed that he says is in effect that's looking backward not forward. How does the release of these memos impact that debate."

" This is the real test for Obama going forward to. Pat Leahy the senator John Conyers the congressman have both said that they want some expense is -- independent commission looking into not only media interrogations but also the NSA wiretapping program and that could really left for a period of time and could. In the Obama as White House's view poison the well over the CIA. President Obama did not want to have these lengthy investigation because he's afraid this could have a chilling effect on future intelligence operations so what President Obama have to do now is try to dampen these calls for a full blown investigation."

" Well in fact Obama's attorney general Eric Holder also said yesterday that the Justice Department would provide free legal counsel. To any of the CIA interrogators if they are sued by other Andy's. We're also pay and you legal reparations if there ever found guilty. The bush era Justice Department officials like John Yoo and jay by B who originally signed off on these techniques."

" Well animal noticed in the statements yesterday. President Obama did not make any reference to whether it did door was open to penalties for the lawyers these -- the operators but what about the lawyers who approved these techniques and it's a really open question -- it Justice Department internal report that is due out we believe sometimes soon. That we're told is a pretty stinging. Rebuke of these legal opinions but I wouldn't mean that there would be criminal penalties for -- but it could mean it's true professional. Penalties or some kind of disbarment. It's really open question about whether you could actually prosecute. The lawyers for giving us."

" Well brought Obama took quick action I think was the second day in office to declare some of these interrogation techniques illegal. And as we -- he condemned them again. But the the same method -- Bush Administration officials say kept the country from being attacked again what political -- is he walking."

" He's opening yourself up to charges from Republicans and others that as for instance if there was another terrorist attack that he didn't do everything possible to keep the country safe so that's why he's trying to sort of and there's people in the administration who were trying to shift the debate to the question of effectiveness. -- these techniques affected as the Bush Administration and the CIA had claimed in getting good information and halting attacks. I think that there is concern in the White House that they've got an answer that argument somehow discredit them -- and effectiveness basis in order to -- justified not using them again."

" As mark was -- national security correspondent for the New York Times. Mark -- is always. Much."

" A young couple is executed by the Taliban shot by -- firing squad and from the crowd. Because they want to -- 300 women protest a new line that has husbands have a right to sexual relations. Their surrounded by a thousand men who stone them. Just a couple of seems this week in Afghanistan. Presidential elections in Afghanistan or four months away and the Obama administration has outlined a new mission there are so how's that going. Today a look at Afghanistan with two people in a few minutes the view from an American foreign service worker who's a member of the provincial reconstruction team. But first someone who's charting her own course in the country -- probably familiar with former NPR reporter -- her she she. Cover the war in Afghanistan and then left NPR to start the she also now advises that commander of NATO troops in Afghanistan and joins us from cobble Sarah welcome."

" This did you thoughts on some of the events this week let's start with the protest we understand this new law which applies to. She women only but it's not that it might affect aloft for Sunni women as well. It makes it illegal for a woman to resist her husband's sexual advances. It requires -- husband's permission for want to work outside the home go to school and makes it illegal for a woman to refuse to make herself upper dress up. If that's what her husband wants is we heard. Women protest in which some people -- it was an extraordinary scene that you're thoughts on the whole dust up."

" You know it and it's going to sound funny what I say to you because that terms of that lost count so credibly outrageous to. But the first thing I'd like to say is that everything that you just detailed as being analogue that's already in matter of fact in Afghanistan. I don't know a single woman in -- are not could be biased I don't know -- single woman who is able to perform any activity whatsoever without obtaining the explicit permission of the senior -- and her houseful -- it. Give her husband or she doesn't have one -- You know her younger brother. Senior -- in the household and so I think we have to get really realistic about what the conditions are for women today. And keep -- dust up in. You know are really political light and what I'd seen as having taken place -- this was a pretty adroit political. By President Karzai ahead of elections because basically he's playing two ends against the Middle East signed the law or approves of the law which we. In points with the conservative. Religious establishment PH yeah or -- And it protects himself to the -- that being the guy gonna pretend that law from actually being an. So he's trying to basically please everybody at the same time and I think that's what he was doing."

" Well and it reflected -- who we know one of the reasons the US justified the continued presence in Afghanistan was to improve the situation of women and so. Are -- in Afghanistan."

" I have to say I think it was still just a little bit confused we may have had its. You know some --"

" Language very early on about how we were here exit. In true democratic conditions in nation building and stuff like that but our policy."

" Never that a policy it was always narrow lead -- on counterterrorism policy and frankly it's had the opposite effect. Because for example what we did early on was in power. Warlords and and basically criminals that had been repudiated by the Afghan population. We brought them back because they said they would help us chase cut. And we put them in positions of power and that we called on the Afghan government ought not specifically."

" About President -- here but other individuals and so. The fact is that you will not yet. Narrow counterterrorism. Results in Afghans. Without. Pursuing a much broader nation building campaign. Now -- women as well in politics I think using a complex question but. Based on my own experience over the last seven years once people feel more secure ones there's more. You know political martyr and things like that."

" That's one of society is able to think about rights and expansion of liberty for the downtrodden."

" Well last month he wrote an opinion piece for the Los Angeles Times about how are you concerned that President Obama. Was going to lower the bar in Afghanistan because he said the US had no plans to build a Jeffersonian democracy there you wrote this had the effect of a cold shower on the -- you know -- was heart sinking. What are your thoughts on the Obama strategy to -- he's since given his strategy speech on the new mission for Afghanistan including more troops and money for the country."

" Actually I found that this strategy speech was secretly because -- and so much rhetoric ahead of time. That was focused on lowering the bar and only the you know our only interest there is stamping out al-Qaeda bases and stuff like that. Then I looked quite were about what was going to come out. And those public. Language and the strategies speech does. That in that direction this substance. Very much. Leaves room for maneuver I think to do to kind of multifaceted approach that is. There is food and achieved even our most narrow objectives."

" For instance and demanding who more -- any more jobs who is for instance what."

" In particular what was of special concern to me. Words of a line of that it compact with the Afghan government to crack down on corrupt behavior because. Based on my experience of the last seven years that it's been. Most important recruiting argument for the -- the people are just being abused by government officials that frankly we helped usher into power and have not held accountable and it's a free for all and they really knows. Means for a redress of of these grievances for the population. You can't interact with the Afghan government without being hit up for something we had -- Import. Some solar panels. Because there's no electricity and so. We need to get off the -- and on to solar energy -- And I wasn't there are I would have you know banged on the table rather than doing that but we ended up paying almost 121200 dollars in bribes. After we crossed the border there about eight illegal police told gathering checkpoints between on about an hour twenty minute drive. If you want to go on pilgrimage -- every country gets a certain number of slot to go to pilgrimage. Back in Afghanistan. Want to go on pilgrimage you have to take a ride to the religious affairs that's practically black and."

" So you you see some hope in the Obama administration may may be leaning on the government in Afghanistan on that level and what else what else did you see. Or you rescued during."

" I thought was really important also was. It was a line."

" A dramatic increase in the Sicilian. Efforts. Think that's really really critical because it's actually one of the most effective thing. International community has done in Afghanistan -- in them mentoring. Of the Afghan national army."

" And it means literally you'd. You've got you know international military officers beat American or or from other countries who literally live and work side by side with Afghan counterparts. And his -- apps so we revolutionize the national it is turned into professional. Competent and on corrupt. It's probably the most respected branch of government and and it seems to a lot of years a lot of civilian administration."

" Really benefit from similar that it -- Side by side day in day out I'm working with civilians."

" That's their chase a former NPR report in an hour in the eye and cooperative in Kandahar and it buys the commander of NATO troops. In Afghanistan after the break how -- doing we'll also hear. From an American in -- some of working with Afghan civilians they needed a running the Boston Marathon they're flat he believed. Back in here and now."

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" Welcome back here and now we want to get a few more thoughts from former NPR reporter Sarah Shays who now runs the argon cooperative in Kandahar Afghanistan and they produce -- crafted soap for export and we'll hook you up there -- Web site. And she also advises NATO commanders in the country. Sarah you told us that Afghanistan is a country that's been completely deacons to -- thirty years of combat ended to Q three years what you call embedded mentoring. At your cooperative undefeated changed how instinct about doing business gives us an example what you mean."

" You know part of it has to do with structured thinking. Like our store room would simply be an accident and it took me about a year."

" To explain that you know we need to have one shelf for the bottles at one shelf for the and empty boxes in one shelf Turks. Used equipment that we're not actually using everyday anymore but you know we might need the parking -- that's like all of these things would get mixed up. And that kind of ordering and securing our -- it needs to cure for about a month. And -- it was just obvious state you know you'd have oneself for the -- to open inaction over it would be the pomegranate soaked wedges and the fragrances. Are going to clash with each other stuff. And I would go to into the basement I would find you know and it's so you know being jerked on the same shelf past -- so and things like that and it."

" It's not do this stupidity or at least seen anything like that it's. Kind of deconstruct. Society. And the other really interesting thing has been quality control and again it's not due to. Not caring or something like that."

" It's just -- also raw materials are very precious and it's really precious and so if we made in the states. And let's say you know the wrong fragrance was added to patch itself well I would say -- that comes off polite we can't. You know onto our shot. And I would have some people say -- couldn't we just Libyans want her to park you know each -- and but the thing is that our our reputation is everything. And if people -- so it's not accept that then we're gonna damage -- reputation they'll never buy it again and so we better take the loss now. And perhaps the long term so that's the other really major issue in capacity to think into the future because I can't happen haven't."

" It's -- Cheney's of course a former NPR reporter she now runs the arrogant uncooperative in Kandahar that looks like she's. Turn some of the rains and most of the reins over to Afghans she also advises the commander of NATO troops in Afghanistan is speaking to us from cobble. Sarah always a pleasure thank you so much. Well let's turn Nancy James Palmer -- who's a State Department foreign service officer. On a provincial reconstruction team or PE RT and -- to run in central Afghanistan's gor province. He describes check -- Iran is a fourteen century town where police carry AK forty sevens and everyone has a cellphone. We last spoke with -- nearly 2007 when he was in Baghdad and mortar shells were dropping on the Green Zone. But he's been in Afghanistan for two years and is wrapping up this -- is there. And it's a bit more peaceful in Afghanistan as part of his words he meets with local government officials and business leaders. And you know and well Serrie is in a more dangerous area and and Palmer you say to -- you admire her for that you have challenges. How do you break the cycle. -- when things are cultural."

" Well -- have -- example. Quote province was declared -- freed by but UN. As a result of that pretty. We're awarded like a million dollars from what -- electrical almost on this Tuesday. -- called for by the government award was made and they went to the governor's office and start that the governor about this. Yes it. Well okay -- got this money and unity you come up with politics you can take advantage of this in an initial election because it. And -- you can do whatever you were there's a whole what we're gonna you know this particular canal or school and mr. And they sit well you can be okay it's not you know not money department respond to boot it insures. It's -- a little daunted by the idea. And I felt that later what we're gonna try and do that they were. -- to enlist the local Ngo local international -- put together a bunch of polls -- because they felt that they couldn't do it. They're -- extra piece. And there's you -- it rickety engine less. You don't help them and in and you don't want puke but really it's their responsibility. It would action news the government opposite actually it. This money bowl it is been awarded -- the government of trucks. In it for them achieved a little -- astute people if you do this. Then on the data we cut the -- on -- contentment that and satan and we've -- to -- this -- and ultimately they were persuaded. And the ministry kind of a comic which is this articles that these are some of the project --"

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" You know it that's important turbulence can understand that. The Islamic calendar sister to mediate but you know period fourteenth century and things bury their. In my area. 8% of the people who work in agriculture and to street thug culture out intact and 80% of the population. And agricultural expert bird and you talk a lot of people from USDA. To a school working in Afghanistan. And what about hold me was -- you mr. Kerry was working. Well kind of low and she does pretty well what they were doing you know what a sore O o'clock water. -- that was -- you'll. Usually -- when he discovered was it -- tactics. After that which issues and chilly water. Their crops in that they cut back on the water that would increase the popular by thirty report -- going to -- those types of things. That would be a big -- yeah and you know what would have happened at this point is that. The international community -- double -- things for. And I think that. It has been good and somewhat but I think -- applicant can do more to help them what they're doing it."

" James Palmer Rosie Daley State Department foreign service officer also a member of the provincial reconstruction team. -- in central Afghanistan and we spoke earlier with -- Shays in Kabul. Palmer thanks so much and best of luck to you."

" Some stories coming up next week have you heard of Little League -- ball or marathon training sessions for kids as young as five we'll hear how sports may be hurting kids. But also -- some towns -- trying to change that one gives out lollipops to parents so they won't -- at matches. That's next week. You're listening to --"

" Alcohol abuse in London is so bad right now that the ambulance service is running a special -- the patrols the streets to pick up casualties. The city's ambulance services received 60000. Alcohol related calls every year making it difficult to respond to other people in need. So the so called boost Abbas which operates every week and relieve some of that pressure. Binge drinking in London is of particular problem among young women the latest statistics claimed three times more teenage girls than boys are being taken to hospital for alcohol poisoning. And the -- often picks them. The BBC's Andrew how Lincoln spent a night out in Britain's capital."

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" Cautionary tale from the BBC and a colleague in inland. Re back with barefoot running. And happening here now."

" Matt Fuchs who will be running his first Boston Marathon on Monday 26 miles over Greater Boston roads that hard enough. But may be running -- marathon there -- now as soon as we mentioned that we be talking to Matt. Barefoot runners came out of the woodwork did you know astronaut sunny Williams who also ran a marathon in space. Once -- part of the Boston Marathon barefoot when she was a kid. And then immediately hear from a guy known as barefoot -- he's run 42 marathons without issues but first that -- on is on the line from Boise Idaho. That full disclosure union nominee to be bunking in my house this week and she silence of casually mentioned Armisen is going to be running barefoot. Says ask what are you doing this."

" I've been about the Pritzker is going to have -- candidate. A few reasons I think that the biggest source community is it's hitting orbit natural form we org port which is a -- so. I like revolutions of the equation and -- about five or six months of questioning myself with a really good idea but it didn't. When they're kind of clicked and I'm sure their rhetoric might have from the same feelings on it that. At a at a certain point just -- felt right and -- I've had a completely retrain to whatever and."

" We'll -- it looks like -- and inspect appear for second because I might heels were hurt when I think about running twenty. We would have stepping on a rock stepping on glass trolley tracks have you seen -- potholes."

" Yes you it's there's been a totally different focus that you have when -- benefit because. He can no longer certain zone out on a walk -- run and you have to really focus on where you're stepping every every step is is absolutely crucial but you know it it's really it's not about income -- and there's certain asphalt that's really difficult to run on but -- used to written. Did you body finds a way that's about your body it is out how to not to hurt itself."

" Well for so you mentioned you'd change your training so how are you training. Because you're earning their --"

" I guess we can't do that many miles says some of conventional programs are I only run about three times a week. With running a baritone on statement I've had to run after Ronald commitment I wouldn't typically you have otherwise what you questions or not I don't think that's very healthy."

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" You know we have we have some pretty great trails here boys besides -- run as much as I cannot sit still and the general just run about three times a week but an across China Dubai crawl worse when."

" Knowing into that this sort of a shell. That some barefoot runners put on the bottom of their feet that's not quite shoe but."

" So -- end. I did -- that -- that it was a really great transition from going which used to going barefoot someday that space just a reversal that wrapped around her sort. So it doesn't necessarily give you support like if you would but -- protection."

" One -- I would just sit right there because I want to bring in Rick made her otherwise known as barefoot wreck. And Rick running for you it truly is a religion and and you raise money for different causes. He'll be running your 43. Barefoot marathon on Monday."

" That's correct Robin in this will be my fifth Boston Marathon my first two I -- was shoes. And 92004. I ran my first Baer fled Boston's so I'm very familiar with the course."

" We're rich speaking just in case you are in Kansas City, Missouri and Rick you know we've got beautiful straightaway is out there you know life. The roads there are so inviting for runner uniqueness as far as the horizon. -- that our roads here the -- verify and other fine yeah."

" How you get down by Fenway and they get a little -- some places with the train tracks and that sort of thing but you know inch by inch it's essential Robin. He can't think way down the road you can't. You just gotta Sam decider for 26 miles an amount here to have some fun."

" A possible that this this doesn't hurt your feet because sneaker companies you know have been selling us more more expensive shoes with more and more support. And."

" That is a problem right there Robin is that basically we've atrophied -- feet to the extent where we need all discussion and the problem has has a lot of times issues start to wear out and and folks don't replace him and then they they -- stupid like I did you know with a pair of bad shares. And then you do a lot of he'll striking because a lot of lateral shock up tyrannies. Barefoot running for me forces proper technique and so my -- used to be really bad. Now they're good. You know for for what I do Robin with. For my charities and that sort of thing I still like to say I've had physical problems with my knees but now I I've found a spiritual. The connection with my -- also because I dropped to my knees and I pray lord Jesus how do you want me to. Raise money this particular marathon or whatever."

" And this is so admirable -- and we're gonna be rooting for you for the marathon -- to you -- you know. What would you say to people who say. You know one false step fleeing on a piece of glass or something in."

" That the thing is so it's it's it's you look out for the big stuff and you don't worry about the little stuff it's kind of a metaphor for life. A little pieces of glass won't bother you as far as your not stripping your feet of course is going to be a little bit of discomfort sometimes but 99 point 9% of Iran is fine."

" On thinking that runners that I see coming in you know at the -- into the tent. Their feet look like pac -- may be wearing sneakers."

" Aren't pretty much always look like that's used well."

" No -- mad -- is there anything that you want to ask Rick given that Blix runs so many of these."

" I'm I'm actually I'm curious about the actual course itself. Since I haven't I've never been to Boston at CNET."

" What I remembers once you get to Boston College you're going -- the the textures may get a little bit. More broken up but the first twenty miles or find the textures of the roads are fine. Plenty of pain and lines maps are you know."

" I bet -- Spitzer and continued its. It's so funny you look at you look at -- it's a different way after the in the."

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" Yeah that's definitely a must there there it you know pretty judge doubtful about that that's the only but it."

" We -- wondering how the -- is this movement. I don't think that Adidas or Nike or Reebok has anything to worry about really believe -- I believe there is a a contingent out there. Myself personally I haven't -- wishes and and over five years now I've ran over thirteen thousand barefoot miles I run and snow and ice down to about ten degrees up after -- five. I don't feel like everybody can do an actual God's given me a specific gift and I just kind of turned it around and made it not about me and tried to make it about other people."

" Now whether you why are you doing."

" Sort of on the opposite of I feel like I'm just a normal guy just to kind of make an example that the Pritchard months subsidy you really can't accomplish it and -- I got there in different reverend different act have a conversation somebody -- in and ask them. Maybe you could walk to work on their bikes were there. Which is sort ask questions in general and you -- so much about yourself and you put yourself out there and and have the experience to. Just really it's all happened from."

" Well quicken that we wish all the best and I'm thinking it's a chip on both your parts it's -- good and noble effort. And they will be absolutely. No shoot sponsorship in it for you."

" I've turned on so many ads to my website and that -- and -- just shifted my my focus I mean you know the first few times it was kind of like K this is great look at me even now it's kind of like how can I help other people on -- is what I wanted to --"

" I think this is more about what -- shoot mr. not about going out enjoying life. And I appreciate the opportunities they're kind of --"

" Well will be reading PU and as the -- but who'll be looking for yours that's Matt Fuchs and and Rick Rayburn and leaky Rick's website if you want to support his many -- thanks so much about the -- been in before we go to day generally Haines he must be the bus driver. This is gonna take some students to school and here's a taste."

" A lesson in the united jazz coming with Roy -- at Harvard when we come back you're listening here now."

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" Welcome back here now owns."

" Recently the Harvard University jazz man dove into drummer Roy Haynes jazz classic snap crackle. About twenty players seven folding chairs and overstuffed couches in the band practice from seemingly unfazed by the fact that Roy Haynes was there listening. As part of Harvard's masters in residence program was 84 year old jazz legend. The -- with anyone from miles to Pat Metheny. Will recurrence and ultimately perform with the students snap crackle is his signature song -- his nickname he knows well. And while the students sound great McCain's -- band director Tom Everett. Something different."

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" Roy Haynes he's sort of the Forrest Gump of jazz -- that he's been president so many moments in jazz history. I asked him what he thinks his legacy will be."

" There's -- we just one thing. I -- with several awful long time I played with Billie Holiday here in in Boston -- outfits to roll a recorder would rate solves -- played no from Coltrane -- what -- mean. Of the Allman Brothers I don't know I think I belong and believe Obama by Ridley. Elaine thanks so much thank --"

" Okay that is what we've been on the much when this."

" Roy Haynes rehearsing with the Harvard jazz club. As part of Harvard's jazz master in residence program."

" The program includes an interview over into the public tonight with jazz writer Bob Blumenthal. And a concert with the students tomorrow night Maureen go to our website here and now that -- the production of WBUR Boston association with the BBC world service and PRI. I'm talking have a great weekend and please join us again."

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