Title: Here and Now for Monday, May 4, 2009

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" The money you donate to public radio makes this podcast and other services possible thanks for your support. Here now is a production of WBUR Boston in association with the BBC world service and PRI. I'm running young it's here and now how other countries banks fare and the result of the so called stress tests on banks. Are due to be announced this Thursday the question is how many banks will need more government money. But President Obama indicated over the weekend that that's only the beginning of a stream of questions. The non banking sector that provides half the country's credit. And should traditional banks should be allowed to get into risky businesses like bundling and selling mortgages well. The president made those comments in an extensive sit down interview with our first guest near times economics columnist David Leonhard. And David it's us this article -- Sunday Times article can be found at our website here and now dot org data welcome. Let's get to the stress tests first because you write today that the banks. Are healthier than investors feared that the needs may be able to be taking care of two already approved bailout money. And one way or another the stress tests have the potential to be a turning point. In this financial crisis house so."

" Well the the notion that the banks are healthier and investors -- we don't know that yet but that's certainly indicate that it. Obama administration in the Federal Reserve for going to -- when they release the stress test. Later this week it's a reasonable case because. And we -- improvement in the credit markets -- I think number these banks are actually in okay shape and any probably. And to meet -- is the most compelling part of this argument is -- Banks also consult and efforts to look back and other crises and not just the Great Depression that the early eighties and early ninety's that the depth to deter and banks and consultants because the market prices of their etc. what that doesn't mean they can't account. That's what were in the administration are not at every case and if you cases their -- panic -- courses that they can work. But they're going to try to basically separate out the popular ones from sickle and make people come to -- to invest and help."

" Roland how are they going to earn the trust of of Americans in the results -- their critics who say. Banks are being allowed to project too rosy view because their ability to value their assets at what they may be worth on the road that rather than what they are worth. And our critics are saying the test itself. Isn't based on a gloomy enough forecast you write about this that there's a sense that. The banks are being tested for how bad the economy is going to be in other words that the administration is taking too rosy view."

" I think it's a reasonable somewhat pessimistic forecast of what's going to happen the next two years and we can and it does actually seem like it has read the pretty pessimistic forecasts about loan default rates you on atheist an economist at Goldman Sachs and who was skeptical these definitely. Said that based on what we know right now it looks like these are going to be loan default rates in some cases exceed -- during the Great Depression. Now if we get unemployment. That goes to 1520%. Ten. The stress tests are going to be -- the paper they're written. It all these tanks and equipment problems but if we have little clip it and implement -- 1520% we've got --"

" And again you quote analysts today who say that you know their fears about the stress test may be unfounded and so that sort of release some of those fears."

" so what we know -- I think it's really hard to make an excellent judgment on net. Until we actually get the --"

" Well how the president handle the a couple of banks that may not score well Bank of America and Citigroup are are mentioned the most. You right banks that we don't do on the test will be given six months to short their capital before being -- take government money. But how does the Obama administration persuade investors to invest in a bank helped them get that money when the banks then put on probation."

" Well it's not going to be easy and I think there's a good chance that much of this shortfall will be up with private investors I think it will step in the it happened to other one you go to the investors who are -- stake -- these companies -- use shall we say. Try to -- Perhaps twisting their arm a little -- Which the federal government has the ability to do and get them to renegotiate the terms of this investment. This is what -- Happened back in February and holders of topical preferred stock it's it's the classic strategy for dealing with troubled companies in the kind of thing. Chrysler and GM the details are different and then the second thing would be utilities banks that country you -- make them tell us that can make -- divisions. And in the course of tricking the net capital they have been becomes more at. To fund their operations."

" And how far. Does President Obama go with the banking industry that's let's sent. And here a little bit for a what you heard in your sit down interview with the president he told you. We're looking at a different financial landscape. 25 year old on Wall Street may not get the big million dollar bonuses and therefore I think your sentence was by a hundred dollar stakes and drop big tips on. Raiders so that you know part of the financial world is definitely going to change. But would say about other changes might we see the return. And -- summer calling for to a Daylon banks hold your money maybe selling -- mortgage but hold onto it don't get involved in miscue bundling and selling of mortgages. And at that risky is left to Wall Street."

" It's funny example about the tips to actually the president not much one implement the good things about the interview was. How granular ego talking about and people in the economy it wasn't just about policy stuff about people but clearly with this financial. These financial matters policies hugely important and to meet the absolute most important thing that the government can do is insist. Higher capital. From -- that count technical but it's actually pretty basic you basically say look you must have more money in receiver. To cover repair -- state. You don't pretend that. Perfect regulators and get the banks not to make bets that -- bad because that goes against human nature but few centuries were to buy it but do say look. If you're gonna make peace that's -- you -- you have to hold it up capitals that the Tibet's. Failed. We don't have to come in in. And I think one of one of -- questions he's just. Now just -- a fight between the banks the administration's plan out the banks still liked it because it basically means. That -- in the equipment. In you'd take on more debt and take a more leverage open capital you can make profits and so I think is going to be your yearly interest."

" And the president says cited the Canadian. Model as one where it can work where banks can be highly regulated. Still take the risks that they want to take but be more highly regulated."

" I think there's been some discussion. In various places about the idea that it's repeal of glass Steagall 1990s the depression era law that it's separated investment in commercial banking. Was somehow responsible for the crisis. And I don't think that's right -- I think poor regulation did play a big role in the crisis thinks some of the deregulatory changes played. -- modest role and in. In creating the groundwork for. But I don't think the separation of commercial and investment banking put a big role and pres Obama obviously hold that view as well his point was that in Canada. And these things are separated. Banks are regulated more tightly but these things aren't separate Canadian banks have really remarkably well relative to the other banks in the world my favorite statistic on this is that a decade ago -- had. None of the fifteen most valuable tanks in the world according the an -- I guess it's the same they've retreated to three years ago today it has bought its. Of the safety label."

" Did you ask you about the future of work for men in particular you asked about a scene in his book dreams from my father. After a young Obama witnessed arguments between his grandma and grandpa -- grandpa factory worker his grandma made more money. And Obama talked about seeing the look of rage into objections on his grandfather's face. Because of the arguments that would ensue and have no. Okay and have diminished his grandfather felt. Wouldn't you know would tell you about work and men in particular."

" I want to be really careful not suggest that there is still sexism in society and and still make more money but. This gap between men and -- really true and the number. And you strongly in this recession and generation. Has grow significant. And I think there's a question of what is the future work for him out of manufacturing shrink and I asked him a little bit about patents and we talked about the idea summer traditional forms of of mail -- Manufacturing factory work. Really can be updated for economy he -- alternative energy jobs but I also think it's true that there needs to be a little addition to sit. Look I would encourage and two more -- and teachers and -- often been nurses and I think we're in this situation where we need to go -- something transitions namely we went from tree and it went for transition from an agricultural and manufacturing economy we need to go -- transition from manufacturing to. War the service economy and we haven't done very well might man to help them make -- transaction."

" Well an anti -- the president pointed out that he's trying to do well by women at passing the Lilly Ledbetter bill. Addressing the wage gap one of the first moves in his administration. Closely that one must question in here you had an exchange and with the president about whether he's hearing dissenting voices on economic policy you point out. Top people in charge of the economy were people who argued passionately against regulation. Followers of Robert Rubin people like Larry Summers Tim Geithner Peter -- the budget chief and getting me he did he immediately came back Cuban said not Joe stiglitz and -- Paul Krugman who have been passionate voices from the left. You know criticizing the president would say about not having knows more critical voices in his inner circle."

" His argument was -- them look he really does have reach people yes he has. Pretty is proper Rubin. But he also has people who were mentioned Jared Bernstein. Austan Goolsbee and Christina Romer and Paul Volcker people over to an and that's all fair. I am a little bit surprised that he doesn't have a little bit more diversity of background. That's very top of the fact that people -- their axle talks but they also com. From a somewhat similar back and I think when you're dealing with the complexity. Issues that they can he is in bad -- just a little bit more intellectual diversity at the very top the structure at a actually. I'm surprised that he doesn't because -- talked to during the campaign it would appear to be used very focused on the into the the extreme Clinton administration to cooking he's getting that diversity onto the larger group of people and keeping it will be."

" That's near times economic columnist David Leonhard didn't even speaking Marcy about the economy but what was your favorite part of the -- if --"

" I -- the discussion of health care really to be the most interest. -- talking very personal terms about the decisions he had been faced with involved -- the -- grandmother and he also been talked about it didn't work. Really difficult now. National can't station about how to make these choices."

" He talked about how and his and everyone knew his -- to its was dying in yet Chelsea needed hip replacement until he became one of those Americans. Making that decision should we do ready to -- we know she's dying and they did it."

" That's right and these are incredibly difficult choices I think the most promising avenue. For making good choices and perhaps even not having health care system that is quite so costly inefficient is to present decisions to people more clear because when decisions are presented to people were clearly. Rather than doctors simply recommending the most invasive procedure. Many people actually end up choosing a less invasive procedures around like care."

" Well I love that senator your interviews well because the president said you know we just we knew how much cost. And and we we wanted to have a -- and it just shows the challenges that his administration is going to face. In trying to get people not to have that 20000 dollar hip replacement for ability grammar."

" That's right. You know the question what do we do -- the decision. You know extending life for two weeks for a cost of 50000 dollars and he was very honest and -- look I would exodus and what. But most people can't -- and it's gonna be you we really hard to decide it looked at 50000 dollars and we should be spending. Child health should something -- should be spending in other ways because resources."

" And that'd be really difficult to to help people. If we can't do absolutely everything."

" New York Times of economic this is Leonhard again his interview with -- president will be a website you -- David thanks so much your. Okay just ahead Mexico says it will reopen for business and later should -- work with or against Craig's list in fighting crime. Second minute here now."

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" Welcome back here and now and let's get a swine flu round -- more cases have been confirmed in North America including a second dental student here in the Boston area. And in Europe Portugal reported its first case. In Mexico where the H one and one swine flu outbreak started officials say they will ease restrictions on public life this week because the viruses on the wane there. But McCain in Colombia has become the first confirmed case in South America and Gregory Parnell of the World Health Organization says the Colombian case. Is why it's too early to say the rest of the world is waning as well."

" We cannot lower our guard there is that -- a possibility that this virus. We'll come back especially. In colder periods Mexico's in the Northern Hemisphere. We are entering the summer months where normally influenza activity is -- so I think we would want to wait a while before making a definitive decision."

" Because Colombia is just beginning its flu season will meantime Mexico says China's quarantine of seventy Mexican travelers is discrimination. And the Mexican government is chartering a plane to bring its citizens home. But it's not just Mexicans who are quarantine in hospitals and hotels. Any Sweeney a retired policeman on vacation from London is among more than 300 people isolated in a hotel in Hong Kong. After a Mexican -- there was diagnosed with swine flu."

" These big check it every day ticket tenth pitcher if you go over a certain temperature or of course he's been. Your quick stop to hospital of politics."

" So in some worldwide there are more than a thousand confirmed cases of the H one N one virus. Mexico has confirmed nearly 600 cases and at least 26 swine flu deaths. But officials said today that the -- return to normal on Wednesday when restaurants and cafes will reopen. That's welcome news for Mexican tourism industry that's losing an estimated 100 million dollars a day because of the H one and -- The BBC's Stephen gives reports."

" And this is the main entrance to the -- to a and it'll shops in front of me is a big steel gate. With a large padlock on it and beyond that base incredible site this is one of the main tourist attractions of all Mexican. Once this was one of the biggest cities in the Americans. The centerpiece is these extraordinary it's huge pyramids that completely dominate the landscape it. But there's no one around a few people trying to sell things. And just the old -- clearly hasn't realized that this is being sucked out that the estimate for them from Mexico do you think people should be afraid of coming to next."

" It's still because it does not with we limit it. I think he's Toledo -- it. -- wearing face mosque. Well because. She -- me a month."

" But -- didn't recognize -- but I can take that seriously. There haven't been that many cases I don't know of anyone he's had eight is targeting -- tree and it just -- This isn't something it's going to turn up next okay cited is that -- stuff coming."

" Those on the front line of the collapse."

" Some of Mexico's tourism industry opposite -- Outside Hermanson six point Flynn was having an immediate effect on them -- and it's. The element in data -- was that in order to -- NT a Q are currently of tourists are affecting us along the truth is we don't have any money saved security -- something. The pilgrims -- he misses him and Arnold will someday becoming more than a 100000 people. And today we've seen maybe a 150 normal."

" Doesn't that then he would say."

" Well we can make. 6% said it I think he's 6 Pacific. Now news you hadn't and content self."

" Some foreign visitors might see an upside tools this. Hotels in Mexico City are all nearly empty and there are offering big discounts. -- the up market can -- most of the guests off from the World Health Organization."

" When do you think people and it's not coming back tonight. And I think -- amounts in 2 months. Morning. Plan daddy has been very afraid. They are you hearing -- isn't any Indian thing people Lincecum that at least meet them. Not -- the equality that tonight we'll we'll let me just."

" And -- who could handle it when this. Who bites and -- Tourism represents almost 10% of Mexico's GDP. And employs around six million people. Swine flu is now costing this country at least 100 million dollars -- today the government is understood to be preparing a worldwide campaign. To persuade terrorists that this country. Is once again safe to visit. Slave business means the sales pitch by Mexicans looking for a few dollars it's more frenetic than ever. Drive down one street in the historic -- of the city looking like a -- news and you'll be besieged by mariachi musicians. We Austin to achieve drops."

" movies from an acting debut impediments and we have seen anyone get this is -- Mexicans and it seems to be in normalcy and it just like any kind of com. The message from his -- musicians -- the same come to Mexico and you'll be fine. What epidemic if they can come -- makes. It's come to get to know the countries to enjoy Mexico's music it's folk movement that people. We welcoming them open them so they can come and enjoy the best music -- almost."

" Precautions against swings the virus have caused the collapse of part of this country's economy."

" Feeling ostracized. Millions of people here -- persuaded that it was a well --"

" The BBC -- gives in Mexico City. This last note on our wrap up of things swine flu. Boston talk radio host Jay Severin will be off the air again today. Several -- suspended by radio station WTKK. Last week after making offensive remarks about illegal Mexican immigrants. In the context of the swine flu seven called Mexicans some of the world's lowest of primitive -- and criminal aliens. He also said one of Mexico's leading exports is women with mustaches and then you disease that Mexicans do not vaccinated there kids don't speak English and retired American schools. And that hospital emergency rooms has become condos for Mexicans to nowhere to win or whether several return to his primetime slot. Tomorrow I'm here renowned military analyst Andrew basis. I have to didn't hear it now."

" I'm Robin Young it's here."

" And now another newspaper teeters on the brink management of the Boston Globe and the papers largest union failed to reach a deal to do after an all night negotiating session. The New York Times company which owns the globe had set -- may first deadline for the unions to make twenty million dollars in concessions. Saying if they didn't get those cuts they shut down the 137 year old paper a threat the unions called bullying. In the last few months the Seattle post Intelligencer switched to a web only publication. The rocky mountain news in Denver closed and the Tribune Co. filed for chapter eleven bankruptcy protection. So the latest on the globe negotiations we turned here now scored nick -- occurred. Management struck Tenet deals with unions representing the mailers the Pressman and the drivers it totally about ten million dollars in cuts so what did those unions agreed to."

" they agreed to giving up pay giving up benefits totaled ten million dollars as he said. And they also agreed to give up lifetime job guarantees this means that at some of these unions some people had basically contracts for life. He can be fired for cause but we can't be laid off so they made some pretty significant concessions. The head of depressed and union misses the union it sort of goes all the press work in that you know the machinery and so on. Martin -- and he said that they looked at what management was asking for and basically realize that."

" Had to be done I would characterize it as unfortunately a necessary evil it's the economic times it's a newspaper industry in general. And the Boston Globe in particular."

" We'll talk more about that the Boston group in particular but first that does leave the newspaper guild is the one hold out."

" The main sticking point is -- lifetime job guarantees. They have come up also with ten million dollars just for that union exactly what management had asked for but they don't want to give up these lifetime job guarantees."

" So to be clear the newspaper guild has come up with the additional ten million dollars ten from the of them unions and ten from the newspaper appealed that adds up to the twenty million dollars that the at times management. Was asking for but it's at one concession. That now seems to be the sticking point negotiations why expect concessions so important management."

" Was because twenty million dollars doesn't add up to 85 million dollars which is what the globe is supposed to lose this year last year they lost fifteen million dollars. So management needs more flexibility. Lifetime -- contracts don't give management flexibility it means their bunch of people who are untouchables. And so they have to cut places where they may not necessarily want to cut."

" Well management said it would file papers notifying the state that it would close the globe plans within sixty days if management didn't get concessions they were looking for they did get the concessions. From the many other unions we mentioned. I didn't get the concession from the newspaper guild and after those talks broke down this morning management said. We may actually were going to have not filed with the state just yet so perhaps it was in negotiating tactic there's no way to know that. Or -- medical workers think about the seriousness of this."

" There are certainly a lot of workers who think. -- these concessions give up the lifetime job contracts because we need to save the globe. Others of course and many of those who have those lifetime job guarantees say you know in New York Times management when they bought the paper they body ended these contracts. They made a promise they need to live up to."

" We're noticing too that the unions that made -- concession Pressman. The drivers the millers or more of the blue collar workers. It seems as if it's the newspaper guild -- white collar workers holding. Management's -- to find."

" There are some of the biggest unions and they have the most to lose money wise and the number of jobs that are affected by these lifetime contracts who has this recession hit the globe partisan of the newspaper. The bigger you are the farther you fall. The newspaper industry's been hit hard Boston Globe is a big newspaper they're losing money and they have big costs. The other reason is that they were also very successful at their online version. Which drove ironically a lot of people away from subscriptions. To online which doesn't make as much money."

" Great and we judgment that the for the program that people around the world across the country read the Boston Globe online. But the paper has quite figured out how to make money off of that model will what's next in the -- in the negotiating."

" It's really down to this last union the Boston newspaper guild and New York Times company management. They say they're going to meet in the next day or so to them to continue negotiations. Well now also creek is a newspaper guild have a PR problem."

" Not many people get lifetime job guarantees I think definitely if you look at comments on web sites and you -- the people they think."

" I don't have that you know why. Why today especially this time."

" Timely things -- and -- leakage reporting on the crisis that the Boston Globe could thanks so much my. K still to come today music as soon as well maybe even a newspaper -- And music from Julian modest second of it here now."

" The founder of the online classifieds service Craig's list spoke yesterday in Minnesota. At a memorial concert for the young woman who was murdered in 2007. After responding to a phony babysitting and on Craig's list. The -- if Katherine Olson says they don't blame Craig's list for her death. Craig's list founder Craig Newmark said that it was devastating to see -- the site is used by bad people to take cruel advantage of others. Adding the most recent crime in Boston has been a grim reminder of that will. He's referring to the case of Boston University medical student Philip Markoff who's charged with the murder of a woman he met to her erotic services -- on Craig's list. Should Craigslist be blamed or held accountable for crimes facilitated by the online site. Or is it actually position to partner with law enforcement in fighting crime would speak with a state attorney general the moment but. How many crimes are there Patrick black operates that Craig's crime list a blog attracts alleged crime on Craig's list Patrick here's some recent headlines from your blind. -- arrested in Craig's list iPod theft that's an Allentown Pennsylvania. Unlicensed contractors caught on Craig's list that's in Florida how many crimes due track weakened where most common."

" I would say it runs roughly about ten a week. And the most common would be prostitution and Internet scams."

" Well you know with CEO Jim -- minister says these crimes. Are very small proportion of the sites activity at between forty and fifty million people used Craig's list every month. Why you think it's important for you to post these crimes."

" Eight or nine murders have a dispute facilitated through Craig list I think you're not emerge is enough. They're really the board's attention from -- force."

" And we should say alleged murders. And on their website Craig's list says that you ride services category. Was created at the request of Craig's list users who didn't want to see these ads for escort services -- adult web cams. In other areas of the website and they also say that. They walk a fine line of of not wanting to trample on people's free speech what is it that."

" I respect their right to the First Amendment but there's also a matter of corporate responsibility that I think Craig's -- there's their users -- Do effect they had such an open forum for his prosecution is allowed to increase in the kind of crimes."

" That's patch of black he operates Craig's crime list of blood that he says tracks the crimes that occur. Through Craig's list Patrick thank you. And that tobacco also says that critics should require people to create profiles with their names in order to use the site. But reckless argues that the site is community moderated that users can flag illegal activity. They users agree in the web site's terms and conditions not to solicit prostitution. But admitting that software is now enabling users to get around those terms. Craig's list now says it will provide information to state attorneys general about users engaging in or facilitating criminal activity. It's part of the settlement that Craig's list reached last year with forty attorneys general across the country. Agreeing to work with them and also donate proceeds from erotic ads to charity Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley joins us. Yeah did not sign an agreement why."

" Well it would not so much that we were reluctant to sign on we can't determine that because we would benefit from the agreement. And it would apply theoretically to Massachusetts we felt we could also maintain our option in the event that. We had to go further been enforcement and some of these issues in other words when you start to deal with Craig's list argued that limited by the terms of that agreement."

" Will Cook County Illinois as sheriff Tom dart who filed a lawsuit against Craig list. Says it's you know an enabler and so it shouldn't be congratulated for helping law enforcement would be like standing in town square. And gathering dope dealers to turn another dope dealer but the funny thing is that does happen doesn't."

" It does any and every elected official particularly those of us were prosecutors -- faced with making sometimes. Would seem to the public to be like compromises. That's part of the process of understanding how to we advance the ball of public safety they -- disadvantage in our negotiation or enforcement authorities. It's so I don't see it as the downside I think it was a good first step to begin to talk with Craig list about some of the concerns that. Sex for hire another illegal activity -- occurs on Craig's list."

" That work you know do you that you walking a thin line. You know freedom of speech. An illegality and it's sort of been you know ever -- here in the Boston area we have the bust in Phoenix for instance I'll just pick one. Paper out of the air. Page after page after page of erotic ads so. What is legal and what is illegal."

" Well it is illegal to for instance they engage in expire in Massachusetts is is in those states. What does get market on the First Amendment peace in the advertising -- And of course if law enforcement Boston wanted to spend a 1000% at its time aren't tracking down every one of those -- We could do that but we know we choose to focus our resources. It's to keep it there -- Siegel did the largest effect on public safety. If you think about Craig's list is a big bulletin board in the dorm. Ordinarily you know the people in the college don't look at both imported -- something bad happens. It's so I think some of the incidents that have occurred as a result of people using Craig -- have to on law enforcement tension I don't principal at a district attorney we were quite concerned. In the last ten or fifteen years that Craig's list is one of the main ways. Atkins would seek FT young girls who were -- to engage them in in use for prostitution. But great principal -- away for us to get of those people who are engaging in crime."

" One of the reasons that you -- is that Craig's list has made an agreement to on require. Strippers an escort services to pay a fee with a credit card to post the ads in that credit card at least -- trail."

" Well that is part of the agreement and to be honest I can't say for instance that they've been enforcing. The terms of that agreement and my guess is that many of the people used Craig's list don't want to identify themselves -- engaging in illegal activity and probably don't comply with those terms."

" And by the way how are you able to digitally track messages back to use his computers I mean that is another advantage that you didn't have. Back when people -- slipping in and out of pay phones."

" Yes some -- that doesn't involve. Working with the service provided the people who older diet. How to trying to get that information. -- at this same that is -- about this is that digital evidence."

" Is not turning it -- in the police academy."

" We've undertaken in this AG's office to try and community education of police across. The commonwealth surrounded elevenths for instance how do we do an examination of the computer just as we need medical examiners to do an autopsy when someone is killed."

" When we -- the computer we need to technical experts who can do essentially an autopsy on that computer."

" This is your cyber crime initiative in 2007. You unveiled the masters its strategic plan for cybercrime that we understand. It's trained 2000 state and local law enforcement personnel on how to do the kinds of things are talking about."

" Yet there we are developing a state of the art laboratories so that we have our own experts but also can train the experts around the states."

" You know they're very few crimes that happen and we did eleven incident involved a violation of a restraining order and domestic violence and a cellphone."

" People really engage in both legal and illegal activities of lot of it is done on line week digital devices and in police did get --"

" very Craig's list is protected from liability when it posts ads for the illegal activity you're talking about. Because of the 1996 federal communications act and they get immunity. Just for posting content but do you think that that should be."

" That is the question of the day and obviously. Some Brazilian dancers have to be made -- the federal level. Period this question about. Yes it is illegal to begin with is it okay to advertise it and and if it gets very tricky in terms of what we allow for First Amendment and what we allow the government what we want the government to do. And Phillies had this sort of I eat each. That relationship with an organization like Craig listen to -- we know you can do it we don't like did you do it. We want you to help us when we can't do which they have done so far but we have not been able to. Really that you can't do it and so. We sort of acknowledged like many parts since we have never been able. To stamp out illegal gambling and understand how would you know illegal. Sex for hire -- and there are some. Since that we will do what we can to protect the most vulnerable victims but we don't stop. Lot of consenting adults from engaging in -- we just can't put their resources to that."

" Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley. Martha general Coakley thanks so much for speaking with us."

" No problem and it did do it. --"

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" Boston based -- has been playing guitar for sixteen years was on two Grammy nominated jazz recordings and has just released his debut album and sounding point. At least 21. This song fittingly is called all purpose beginning."

" Composers well as a guitarist -- differences on ensemble on his new CD on stage shows where he looks like that happy as young man in the world. And Julian lunged into continue I don't think you get to be here you do have to sort of permanent and I mean isn't a good way goofy smile."

" Of them hint that that the people."

" People expressed that they you know it's very clear that we enjoy what we're doing. And it can emanate throughout the whole group I think we you do have the biggest. Just listen a little more to that time."

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" What's the sound that we hearing around guitar playing well that's a pencil writing a paper actually it's based on the idea of someone writing a letter actually letter I was -- to a friend. And I thought I had a very evocative. Sound could be a love letter could be an angry letter can be anything you want."

" It's monarchos sounds like a lot because I doodle a hurricane at that let. Yeah yeah it's a very humanistic and attending. The ago. Well we you -- guitar five. And he grew up in the Bay Area that's. What propelled you."

" Well there's a guitar and how it's my dad played and at the core that I just wanted to do my dad is doing. -- when I was four and my parents when I was five I was still. Adamant about it they'd gladly give you wanted and I think I just love the way it -- police looked the way it. Just the way it was and always sounded and that's kind of what drew -- to it. You're prodigy. Some -- when you're the young -- it -- sank. And in fact there was a film made about 22008 yeah eight yeah well what about. Well it was thesis project IA director named mark Becker. I just happen to be the subject but it really wasn't of the now wasn't intended to promote me or my music or anything news. Kind of the day in the life of send an eight year old started at a casino prodigy -- have played it wasn't as much that they and in retrospect when my seal wasn't. About how gift today. Could be perceived as is more around. Here's me going to school and dealing with friends in this and haven't used me go into rehearsal with a group of adults and a I think we take away from his release but I do is that. There's still a person there you know the prodigy label was always very. You know people are trying to be nice but it was that I never felt it was very fitting for me. And I think the movie captures that."

" patents and ready yet conservatory. Easy to San Francisco."

" Ladies and gentlemen. Doing a lot of."

" Is there any part of -- that he had his childhood years back into yet connected to the guitar it you know -- is good."

" I can't -- them nothing nothing can I think that's maybe more."

" And outside perspective on -- I wouldn't trade anything."

" And you played blues and classical and why that while it was anything you dad's music and -- blues was more or less my dad's music cue said in both my parents of Lemond made it."

" Then the classical side as the remnants of the jazz is to -- I think I just kind of picked up whatever. That you ultimately you know switched to jazz but when you went to Berkeley just recently studied classical music yeah I was pretty focused tone and classical composition. I've been kind of the student. Throw my life where I would just find you know every book about composition could every book about orchestration to study and kind rendered out about it."

" So did you did you picture yourself for a you know and maybe you do still as you know the next a follicle. John Adams -- modern classical composer well I'd love to be in -- field to make -- collaborate with them."

" In. Take on projects that are kind of in that realm of larger works absolutely proves who's flown meantime. Let's hear whom --"

" What's on your CD sound in point this one -- improvisations. Familiar posture now we hear this was inspired by Alfred -- that's for -- we did ten recordings. So guitar."

" In the theme was Hitchcock prelude and guess what that meant to me at least was that. We -- to achieve some kind of suspense. By using themes from the rest of the record."

" It's."

" So foreshadowing. -- Who do you guitarists who who you emulating for the time."

" I think their characteristics about certain people specially Jim hall who's always a huge general fan. People like Charlie Christian managing write her. That's in the jazz world I think Julian Bream is probably my favorite guitar player from say yeah I think I I'm drawn to characteristics of everybody."

" Well and -- the everybody's hearts you know starting today. Pick up on you yeah you're playing with them and let's listen to learn three pieces on the CD rejoined by dangerous bill -- And mandolin player Chris Healy. Both Grammy winners you know beat time. -- let's listen to the informant."

" Who wins in his work it's incredible and it's true. Musically gifted and such -- hard workers. Can cure a lot of inspiration from them for the rest of you recorded -- first. Impact on my dad. He's the best."

" For back to -- began to be goofy smile that you have you think I missed just. I mean it's wonderful and I thought it was you know media rounds rapture that we hear musicians get in when your money is sort of yeah you could Stevie Wonder -- when -- playing him but now I'm seeing that it's maybe not the playing it's what it."

" I think there's a positive energy that's kind of around. A lot of the things that involve myself with and it's hard not to be influence of some positive way by it."

" That's a guitarist Chilean mine is 21 years old is new CD is sounding point let's go out with."

" Which we hear clarity media can't agree that the community."

" Which he seems to have -- lot of -- thank you."

" Thank you so much greater market you."

" Okay."