Title: Podcast: "Anecdotes from a Lifetime of Electronic Product Creation"

" This to see and ask them William podcasting produce bad compared to distance -- room and my team. For more information about comparative media studies are on the corporate experience. Visit us online and she amass dynamite team that you."

" I'm Henry Jenkins. This is my -- my privilege to introduce the final us see and ask hello Graham for this academic year I'm delighted to see. Such a great turnout at this point in the semester. We're very honored to have -- bear witness we're off here has been described as the father. Of the video game. And I think he's talked will help us to understand. All of the various claims. Behind that but certainly. You know pong. The Odyssey. Bill the light gun all owe something to his work as well as Simon. The the matching game than many of us. Played down some -- you know years ago so it's really phenomenally exciting to have him here. Recently he was presented by President Bush -- is. And -- national award for his contributions to. Engineering. I'm like I'm lost my note about what the name your award is. I'll let I'll let you tell the story. But anyway my my eyes again -- here. So anyway I'm delighted to turn it over to him he's gonna share some of his memories and experiences and then we'll open up to everyone for questions. If Pakistan."

" It. -- effective. If you don't mind. Alternate between walking in. Miami's. -- And that nasty cases dynamic code for a -- most of them -- news this again. I also known voices. And you can unions to. Well. Before -- into the reason I get invited which is W business which occupies. -- spectrum analyze this about this -- competitiveness. Area might mention it. I've been around -- alone time. And -- again here since before it was called electronic. Sixty which makes. Seventy years. I'm old enough to pin and you average IV to forresters -- with -- do in 1906."

" He was a director in the small school I went through after well what to and I got on the on the went to school -- that yet bill and Chicago. And one of the -- this is the forest. I got called his office once that was first -- would. So that Rattan. Nobody wanted to do was and find someone to work with him. To get back into the I different emphasis on -- mostly I obvious. It's very very popular. Before it went -- it afterward went -- for about ten years as a matter of applying about a hundred watts of RF. Monaco killer could make errors and -- about either capacity with a -- electrodes. On your body Owen and adoption -- to heat up here in us to promote healing. These you know you can morning giving you recent temperature blood make. Dilate the blood vessels and a war that isn't just one little problem -- that in terms of how much I've heard. Medical that magic practice can -- imagine not to today put somebody between two electrodes. And head and watching and has. -- time goes off. And -- another extra hundred as a possible liability insurance. I forget it. And an event the gifted guitarist was this -- before or anyone back into the interview -- I was there he took preakness lab. And show me what he's working on which was a mechanical calypso system. He had a plate and sat in front of a twelve inch black and white says. It was stationary it had what we would call pixels and in an excellent matrix in front there was another place that moved -- a very small. Rotary motion. And was counterweight is supposed it was easy to drive. Those are you know anything about -- because there was -- that it was going to be big drums so wobbly wheels. We used mortars hard how to synchronized. Took up enormous amounts of space and very creative. But I took one look at it the city was it was pretty obvious that group with the -- yeah. Lewis mentioned posted zero you know. Who holds. But forget that. About three years who have -- in the way of and as a photograph. The forest city at the bench. -- another guy behind them in front of these tactics and dignity to only and on the bench is. Was obviously the camera what we part of this. So that would experiment -- are three people like they don't know what that pictures -- Story and put it. If you don't mind I -- that."

" When -- hear -- back on where it came from. -- has much to -- with the story about. People always tell me I concentrate too much and you in business so we go back this tool in World War I process."

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" But he threw a he is here for years after the you know what one of -- was beyond me for for news terms around me. You know kind of an analyst didn't help that it's okay. Patent was born in a town called pumas and this issue to factory town termed it time who's who produced it. I'm other than like that town and removed shortly to Cologne city. And we'll be. And the two. Speak there. Grew up there Wentz who there. Age fourteen cut costs and schools primarily. -- few words of aryan race. It -- not possible on school. Or an office for the next three years. During type -- fourteen you zone type being shorthand. To shorten dictation. -- do it corresponds to English term that's. Finally. It was very active -- getting visas because -- new terms. That in 38. In August 32 months and -- right. Through two and half months as well. We got very lucky we -- it. And your partner or factory run by. My cousins it's 1938 Taylor. Out of oppression. I think that was paid -- And fifty cents cents. Whom twelve palace week. I'm sitting in a show William way to work when dated someone cross the isle city -- with a magazine. On the back of magazine. Began it. -- national marine institute Washington DC still well. I can afford them. Big money -- radio serves televisions yours that was. That's been the -- half of my comment -- that we economic course when I graduated -- and talk myself into servicing re use. The store Mexican -- To its abuses at his side. And priests and wound up servicing. Three different stores. And it definitely isn't really got drafted. Mr. Cuban side note the area where. In the first store was located. Still ahead. And this is supplying DC two manuals. And to mine. -- Shop both AC DC. And and those it is service jobs. Amounted to replace the pastor resistant. To be here there. And very heart of -- of that but has -- power to make a living at converting radius from a cities DC. Which was required when people move into the area but there transformer operated. Is she says it to DC line. And you know what happens then some smoke rises. -- smell pervades. The rumors. A couple of things along real fast but that's the problem. The converting assessment removing a transformer to did you all the tubes but -- and successful six point -- able to. Talk with sixfold to wiring -- all the films series. Woken up resistor in series that would add up to a hundred temples. While those who strategy helped transform the pros beacon but so is it. We'll match and a few other things like that and for that I can -- five. They got pretty good. -- pretty good at Connecticut good conversion. About an hour on the role of and introduction to convert basis from the AC AC/DC. During my first into the army and nothing else to do. Of people which if it had been published out of here it is of interest of maybe three people advertise numbers. And we've got to see. It would have been easy way to cheat. They -- jobs through investment people payment. And that's like a CDC says -- if you're packing them one way that would prompt treatment reversible it. A tiger in the right where you come up and play so I -- They they game this for the first indication -- and look upon which reverses. Has and other service to another thing. Another problem was that people just absolutely wouldn't if related. They had attacked him for materials what we did -- take -- to -- China and like impacted our support to -- well we're actually replace it passes on world resistant something. Shorts somewhere of the police enjoyed something. Are required knowledge and experience. Really get ticked off when I went through service that's in people's homes. Take this stuff are going to be on the floor -- this office test equipment. Which looks like something 1880s cattle. And he would -- whom I shall I hated that. Make remarks like let's and I sport like you doing business like this. The reason for that was reasons that I different series of articles as said election artery gadget guy. Colin one week it was there -- repayment the next week goes you repayment. So people negative view I consider myself as well. At any rate and our New York. And -- for -- stores. I'm doing design -- obese type stuff on before do we was. Diapers. That back then we has 78 up the americus. Those of you remember nine and twelve records what they're made most efficiently was surface hours. -- For an it was obvious indeed -- that. What do you do -- that well you can walk over to the radio. Which Davis corner from another mind control -- nothing about. Rolling off through limited -- That. -- had diminished quality music. What you really -- who would do exactly that but only when the music sound level was very low and always has predominant. So as obvious what you have to do is take average sound I'd rectify. Audio. Story has -- story. And uses it these you let me get out of it as a function of audio volume on that these that would slow enough. You take one of them vacuum tubes that we hand and make it to a variable resistor in effect. The final like this -- this -- get smaller and smaller but lower the volume is. And that resistor in effect series with a capacity rules of size. And how old will be once it is it is one. Had a long time ago. I did design work groups that. Well before the war and -- drafted. And of course on me -- which you Oreo I've its capabilities. I didn't weigh about Cooke baker school from him that but I wanted to -- engineers. On the other -- to. Texas. George. The anomaly and remove -- will be threat. They'll be the bridges Ericsson. Because salvaged. One videos up to my -- and water -- immigrants. Put me on the back of a talked to a media camp Ritchie Maryland where there were another 3000 guys just like -- what -- which of course as well. In his own -- Terry is a prisoner of war. On us the or a battle which is. Knowing how to recognize uniforms or organization up every cut -- army. In the in the world. With tens of course that's 33 months. When it came out of that -- pretty good knowledge. Most -- It's become the next thing -- knows. Standing in line which you know banana boat to Europe. At that time via. The inadequate -- produce it was 1943. Certain precincts we zigzag in the concorde. -- of little British boat the not to rule. My duty in tactic -- as a pickup. He apparently trees -- no problem is on paper on the cement flow of the vote goes to this. It wasn't easy expertise than anything else. And when we got there. EMI's dream myself and -- those of us. Two others and I went the camp commandant says hey we treat your troops and military intelligence that expects knows what country. Brutal syllabus. And as a turnout there went to several -- to to 200000 troops on wages. Before. Federal on the divisions came through I was a PDT private entry through these are important general. Couldn't break could -- who could break me. The at that time a lot of troops were coming back from Normandy. So with them came. On matter of ammunition and weapons. Germ weapons. But captured weapons and weapons -- if it goes to media museum. Small arms and some popular realize refs affect mediate left -- Spanish civil war. Qualified to promote it's of interest laws before noting it's no interest in -- Hezbollah's me myself and terrorism expert and parcel. The long story short. I came on the war. Having reasonable history machine guns but eighteen towns and small some properties in its Portland Kansas. And in. Aberdeen proving grounds. And Massachusetts. -- Now almost it because they're so wrapped up in history and the people involved in history. Because after all -- Very. Marvelous piece of mechanism. I knew what was your weapons back this important. 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That's about two months went back to school and I graduated with a degree in television -- your theory. During my time as they -- in Chicago. Area and a part time job building television. Studio equipment. At that time the full 404041. Lines of Israel. 4404 point -- you're right that's correct me -- Of course black one and only. I just as an example of this is technology. And degenerate synchronization pulses are sound very succinct pulses. Which at that hour 5734. World hello world January 14 something forgot the exact number. -- from forty kilometers down the sixty Hertz. And have those two singles flock together and divide by two -- wildly six you -- in those days. How to divide this thing called blocking honestly it. Which was possibly. Consisting of vacuum tube it's been -- Funniest exports for evil treatments and missed one -- yeah. Which is which you could lock up on incoming signal. And -- on AF 13 14 of -- committed. You do this 56 times an hour up to six times two -- twelve lots of a woman he's alone. Plus 200 fuels a plate collision that maybe 1015 at least another 23 watts. Just to get -- and fourteen Cooperstown was six years. Yeah. We have pages for actual equipment. That's what's."

" And just think of it."

" It's it's totally incredible."

" Even more incredible when I took the correspondence course from the national register. I don't. You'll have to look. Little portable review is supplied material on walked -- It was a word right when you bread or something you've got something and a -- fashion which eventually gets. Converted to the -- a prototype production. That was -- points and -- from bread board Coca sockets and didn't. It took who was who is June of the socket now -- code red bullet from the -- Term. The rise from. Real credible it is just a word as somebody youths. On the other hand or electronics we still don't know who came up with that. Things seem to be possible for you who -- that word. I know I wrote articles when electronics magazine. And where you guys I think we'll. Military was around -- early forties. Who coined it I don't know probably some you know RC. RC was everything that. There was read that next story here -- was him -- achievement in terms of consumer electronics RC. Packed at that time -- went into the army I knew the Osce to Manuel tried to review that was the Bible. There was every there was anything else -- in our little war who already 200 more cubes. The science if there."

" And I needed to. Before a ticket that would Chicago visit my old school. Way back on the train -- through."

" New York paper this -- and by Loral. Loral space company was. Listeners vote test and turn over I'll Morales. Contraction Lawrence now to graduate to companies could. Combine the two companies. I think about sending five people they weren't three of electronics business. I get hired for what is -- awful -- design televisions and why they want to tell television said. The Sino land -- novatel says is an enigma to me that this day. That television. Token I interviewed Brian San -- with the chief engineer. It's his behavior against. We hired one we're you -- they became big. -- laser heavens. And two of -- green room for years and built intelligence. When we got done weakness at that. Can be competed well what was on the market. I just -- that they actually at a projection system may -- one -- projected to. And optics. Toothpaste back with some -- And optics -- Who can convergence played islands and projected victories size of seventeen inch television set which -- I had when their project was done."

" I had a choice either you the company over with the military price so -- thanks again -- was a building greater equipment. Did that tonight 35 years. We started as small company we've being -- the chief engineer companies later. He got a lot of military work. -- didn't have the money to I don't buy them material for all production. That was required. Became part of holding company who presided provide them money. Mixing and it was so moving a Manchester, New Hampshire because the only company as an -- nobility right Merrimack River up there. And SIQ you mentioned some New Hampshire which at that time to me was that. Please somewhere close to Siberia. Well -- on the way to white mountains. And has strong like I was married at that time on Monica's book there. For every grew up there. Idea. The company grew. Very very rapidly. Unfortunately assist the company lost my excessively can make -- this company and George Sanders. And some real people group you might remember sentences coaches national Hampshire we -- 11000 people one time. Because -- the state New Hampshire. From the 60s80s. And became -- Kansas. And this. Lockheed dance and this Lockheed -- days be. British airspace. So. A large company. Tremendous amount really good engineering school. About ten years -- equipment design division there about -- evidence it is text support you work for me. So I was planning agency. Development. Television. System. System engineer was something and I didn't see for the better part of what 6060. If the 55 to 65 about six years. Has always been percolating in back -- my mind that he should be able to do something interactive with a television says."

" I could get into a television set early television. Only one way for an attempt. That discovers that anybody else who think you know doing something interactive TV set but I'm sure where people in the fact there was some people who did just that in the army. Missile -- Practice. Got discouraged from building something that would generate challenge for you account for. Signals some industry at ten kernels well I was -- I said it and in New York one night we have somebody -- on the what steps of bus terminal downtown -- for the southern there was some notes which are converted to a full page document of September 1 66. And has some magna cart you -- it's all there. I had some people come assigned -- it very conscious of how to handle. -- immaterial effect we can dwell on that is because. A lot of spending a lot of time record in the seventies. Friday. Citing licensing battles we won every one of those. Major reason I want all of those this. I just because management positions strong patents because I save every scrap of paper we have a wrote. About it absolutely mandatory requirement guys who worked for me. Kept every scrap of paper hated everything in every side every day. That was virtually they've got a record so we what we did over the course of to a -- get from 66. Who succeeded map. During that period you went through 18 different sets of progressively more complex video games. I have a a slide. Yeah. Opening up. Hopefully bring some -- to life."

" Wait for the -- come back. Other sleep mode."

" I mean this presentation once before. And Paris last year. David winter. As a Parisian who has been very helpful to me. He went to Chicago let me about ten years ago the rescue all the documents and at historic and I'll always it was never return to witness should have been returned. Since I was comparison is a Parisian air figures that have not come up the stage with -- His name up there and acolytes that's David waitress."

" It is the first page of that document. Like if you could. Read from back there. And if you are greeted the first paragraph the sort of conflicted. It says. It's it's phrase this if it was a military got document. Throw mama. The chief engineer for equipment designed division manager of the military company known for its turnaround was this. Definitely a military stuff and -- analysts. About time it's in the paragraph. Two oh with a that's. This equipment will play through channel help before let's play. And thereafter me know of the military aspect of I go through. Descriptions. How to -- extremely basic. Symbolic you honestly they could do. Meaningful games that name they gave this games -- not graphics. That whole concept of having elaborate graphics on screen. You have to get on you -- there were no graphics. And word right -- expected from graphics. Of some sort very expensive military assistance but some commercial system but graphics on television set again. So what -- from the get up there. Rectangle about want to -- what can you with one right now where you go to the store. You thank you go by. Plastic got gotten -- pistols rifles and you can open up. You put some electronics and to have little light sensor at the end with -- to have been she focal length lens upfront. And he could shoot at the spot when he hit. -- Okay likens to invent her first languages. For CNET news -- a technician out -- Two long I was long months Sears Roebuck again by. Idea. I suspect black plastic. I made the first like this sixties. Early sixties have."

" What else can do the same spot I can move it around. Put the second spot up there indicate months but Jason of -- I have to these games what happens when you. Meet up with is the other guy they haven't I disputes. And then there's a button push about you -- appears to repeat. -- Most primitive but become in my house or if you go to museum museum of the moving image in New York or a replica. It you can number two which is that the Smithsonian. Is to actively. On display look school can school who by the hundreds every week they play that game and they play. Ping -- game that came later. Editor from that very simple. She would. It oh Leo ones slides."

" If nothing -- we went through a whole series of the bounces out of two and a half years. -- from left to right that they gray box."

" On the left. Off point to left. As the generated service people used to put up."

" Lines so bars across parts of color bars have to adjust television sets I was cool enough to know that televisions has had. The the charity controls the vertical controls are -- size controls vertical size control. And in order to set these up. After the -- reasonable used to box like that. Could put down. Reference patents on the screen if adjustments where else can step out head and channel three and channel for us later -- have to build that that's. On top of that has censor material and build that either. So all I had to do is to verify that I knew how to put spot on the screen that little box that would put up. Horizontal lateral horizontal lines -- That -- to a spot. Which record movers in -- in this great. That's what that little chance to remove fullback do that. Why racket to the society 66. I'm running a division do anything for five years. -- So it works. The next guy of course trucks -- into a technician but Harrison and guy who view so movie units off the screen you've seen again. And we went over this -- and wouldn't analysts say with a wooden handled through. You have an overlay on the screen -- shows a fire man with a fire -- files as transparent. The ability which is directing the file rose has not open window open door. And you -- handle. To bring up -- column on the bottom which appears behind the hole is right through host if idea against it that time which -- said. If you don't make it is time the colleges from who. Red -- legal -- house goes up higher. That's again. And you've got to really -- active times. -- think. If if you're gonna Taylor and the brown box update its exactly what I just call. Colin -- but because this company was pronounced -- paper. -- Which was the prototype Amanda -- Odyssey 1972. As. -- game industry. In between. We had. A different kind of a problem. We had that come up with a ping pong game. It has to submit. Is fertilized threats like guns on elementary ideas. The for the bucket of water. This is chassis -- intensity is there goes that's at the Smithsonian. Is it -- they. Refinement. And here's a bird's you know you put whites but others belly -- issued. Socket a sorry about that. Here we if you look at the bottom of that. What do we look at that let -- through spots that are mandated manually control. And go up and down and -- it. Commented somewhere in Renton says we need of -- also move horizontally. Which in fact we did. I guess what they turn -- through the panels there's a ball this idea of VH one. And this is the first disclosure. Doing it. Pick a game a game in which. She controls symbol like the ball. Would interact with a man who controls some biology on the screen panels. That was something what happened when the two in the -- like the ball bouncing off. And it's a basic claims and various past association us. So obviously. Interaction issues between machine control. And manage and control -- biology of the screen. That made us eventually this under the books in 1970. --"

" This is -- documentation we can't. Didn't matter what form was. Hello crew was scribbled was but there and it's it's that the data open top. And maybe somewhere it's. Time. You know Russian notebook."

" So at seven units rebuilt."

" We've built over a period of about."

" Two nephews. In the middle of that cycle we had a real problem not a we have it after we had ping pong game games going late sixties. Now we haven't. What we do with that. -- to military electronics company I can count on no help whatsoever. From management who. I -- executive VP here who. -- shy about asking me when I'm still playing -- stuff. Frequently. Oh. Now let's accusing him when money was coming in like -- Water open process to of course the locals told me supported me. That's inaccurate. A question was what do we do that -- concept was. Who I've helped spark -- nation. Cable business there -- Very few cable operators teleprompter was want to dealers and -- you mean a 100000 subscribers. California 1000 in the New York area. So I pick -- before home. And Coulter can call their reconnaissance. President of teleprompter then I got the somebody else. One of the -- both those guys actually been involved in Italy the teleprompter devise non cable business. I guess how many come up and look at what we had actually came up because they're concept was that perhaps and this can help them. And connect to -- cable business -- security. Which makes a lot of sense. So they came up so we had become very interested. Yet as ask it. Tough lefty we've Jewish -- DP came up in a blinding snowstorm. In January 68. He made every time come up with the president of teleprompter Vista team those days he came up this black limousine. Next month to another blinding snowstorm we had an agreement within a month went on the New York. Worked on the mechanics of it in and around it can't have him that the whole idea was that simply can't can't do. Good graphics and that it too. Putting overlay on top which on the screen which -- as and so horrible note today people make fun of it but -- And what what was more obvious and pointing a television camera at a nice colorful display of something. Or actually point moving scene of scenery and have had a background and overly talk with some volunteer top of that and players that. We took it further than a few -- we. We've develops we took some -- the original -- currencies convert them so they could be used at a cable station to put a couple more. Players. Panel players on the screen that move randomly. On the screen will always happen has happened when it after receiving you know always happens to be in the right place to intercept the walls -- it's amazing how often. There -- pieces go to some of you who would -- is. And an event the concept was enhanced. Hands the cable business by providing this interactive. I -- capability. And that when that dried out we have a new problem we do we know. Finally dawned on me that all the components -- inside these boxes -- shortest. -- upon box -- particular with the same components that weren't the television set. And who is more capable of producing. These hardware like that television manufacturer. To a 69 we paraded RC so mania fueled called GE. Back in Iraq's several other. US television manufacturers. Nobody in this room. Programs that we've made television sets in this country. And they all came the national an -- here this is great it's great. But only RCA's negotiated country I got too onerous and walked away from it unfortunately one of them have a security team. Changed jobs became VP for marketing. Four megawatts -- New York he was so impressed with what he saw. He talked in the guise of Fort Wayne, Indiana had chatted and next cinemanow is again invited to Fort Wayne and make a presentation out. We have 1212 games at -- time. And one day. And general manager. Jerry -- Simple test like that one guy rotation. In the next here that glorious thoughts about Polonia. -- come to a an agreement. And the engineers had all of nine months to convert them from boxes to its usual into. 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" If it will respond. I'm gonna play a movie feel."

" But unfortunately it -- this program was made got a great people -- It. And Microsoft. It doesn't want to work I don't think."

" And and layout."

" Switched."

" This is popcorn X. Which I -- that's what I get for free that."

" Let me assure you. Has never worked since they come. Up with him probably Paris. And basically I get out of this predicament. It's doing something. Thank you very much. -- The moment. I'm doing a quick time. There we go."

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" The Odyssey -- humans have to -- which the industry right now. It's still in the -- itself. Like so."

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" Odyssey and the electronic game of the future Odyssey easily attaches your television created. -- yeah experience for all ages -- is football and hockey. Snow covered slopes of the Rockies."

" Policies and electronic teacher. Yeah."

" In 72. Hang about so close to 100000. Cities by the beginning. That is 74. Of -- five. The last of the see you once. -- distribution. I think total run with 350000. Units so. Was you know auspicious beginning. From a cold start at the same time the arcade business ramping up and I'm sure how -- sincerest. Benefitted substantially from company American -- game no question about that. Yeah."

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" You some idea."

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" Well -- line and he decided to. Gordon Tony gave business and I hope myself up with -- last associates aware of the largest independent toy and game -- at Chicago at the time. Through it who it was who offend that I do things like Simon compute effective it's. Which were really successful against the first video of the deal was do photograph. He. Record changer. And could recognize the lands of bands. And so you can pre program with the played and won -- three and five or replay ban to a -- said yeah I like that they again. That took about a year required look at optically down. From that from the tour Tom Athens apnea wanted to record. And recognize it if it's a reflection from -- on the landing area between bands which was substantially stronger than from a school area and then act upon. That was my first introduction of Michael processes. The microprocessor and about some of the key and that's 1000 made by TI have four bit processor -- one K of memory -- memory. It was the same process that won't happen Simon competitive for affection and -- of the -- Programming that. -- this 1000 required us to have a paper tape reader. Who's connected with the telephone line to a computer or someplace in Pennsylvania run by TI. For telephone ability and impeachment look like the national dead you know. And it -- was like I'm twenty. News it was painful. But we cut our -- on Michael Asus that my turntable. Down below. And back to it. D'antoni switched on me."

" As a pinball machine. Some -- Linus said well if we can't prove decent graphics like no why don't we take your camera. And pointed at a real -- part pinball game. And though. Record all this generation all the generations of the bumpers of lights flashing and all was good stuff and played that off VCR. Earlier VCR days. That background and overlay. They get the ball. And -- data and video such that the ball goes toward it such. So when he's up against a particular bump knows how to Bob. Balls off we did all that -- required. Quite a bit of engineering. We never -- concept for one simple reason a couple of a military types. Came in on look at what we've done they had only one question for us is the question what could he issued a Russian tax. We thought about that for about thirty micro circuits and now we're in the military electronics. Businesses -- from there on out we've built hardware that was two of the military -- They've been through training system from the -- and it is comic engineer who normally has of the vehicle issues active judges that there. And banquets. By the French woman -- what he's shooting had turning a cross hairs on the on the -- poetry goes out goes that. They charge. We train them by having both of us in -- pocket but the same hand -- but looking at what the television set obesity. Playing. Model -- weren't rushing things -- by. I have well if we had a system once and similar system. And Washington. During a demonstration of military hardware is open demonstration of military hardware in Washington every year but the public is invited. And we're demonstrating this also that shooting. I don't know -- and Russian and school ban big. Projection screen and three guys from Russian embassy team black and that's an anchor we played it's -- welcome we always if I should -- So that's not nice but the play anyway. It took me years to the Pentagon once you've ever been there if I can Carolla stays at places in the office. And before with truly demonstrated the director of research and development. The shooting impression taxes several suicide general's question today. And did we get a programmer. The program. -- through tight game design is little Simon -- front page of the patent. In the square when -- travel application. Some genius that -- glass design has decided should be around it wanna be probably the soul whose whereabouts to. -- still around in my thirty years later."

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" This is an old story. And violent time. Yeah but let me just finish up -- it was a long. It has a it has a story -- ought to remember. Somewhere alone alliances. 1982. -- three. And I said they can do it here. -- read that statement. This two years before that partnership for years before that has issued I came -- the concept of digitize to a person's face. And sticking that digitize face on top of a cartoon character. I think about it. How many billions of -- Football games of these blockades if electron devices and first to build a device. Made out of my colleague who is your game. -- which has superimposed my head. Facing camera is my head overall like the -- Ping pong game I think that the -- of -- says okay. I went on from that if something something -- a better we've -- and in -- chief engineer -- came job service the next baseball player. And general manager of telling me went and we have in this instance sign up for a license. I went on to another piece -- what is said to have to belly just wanted to logic board that's the one. It was picture before it and they disappeared --"

" Yet. Yeah that's the board of twenty. Twenty he's. It produced. I think it was a bit. Resolution black and white. And -- interlaced. And analysts basically copy by the ballot people who went to a game. One of any game that had a camera is out of it stand up arcade game. The game went on trial and in the an arcade in Chicago. It didn't take two days before us immediate get up on a stool and when the camera that was the end of that project. Well what came out of it. Let's digitize in this case itself for an endless. Rock band. If you can have became an arcade game that I started off. That was the end of it I contributed to about six rate pages. To begin the other patent. And yes for ten Ers ten to fifteen. Pictures. Illustrations. A similar track of it and never saw the finalist of middle. Ten years later -- got a telephone call. It's the a -- who's in charge of Marvin glasses and state. What's on the home for it wants to know. Whether they should you. Patent that happens in England and France. How insurance a lot of places you went to a bunch of patents not familiar what a -- yes no no no yes the best of my ability. He comes to a number I don't recognize a so what's that read the title it's this past. --"

" It's -- an interest -- its anymore -- yeah. And those days I could go on what you get a Patton right I go to some outfit that. Texas happens to you that same afternoon tokens that is suspected to have my name on. It's got my. Fifteen pages of -- and I have -- original stuff steal my position to this day. As online. My text sexual material got all my figure is how does happen. This -- don't know -- a long story short we negotiated and we'd be my pop and partners. Negotiate with -- But US. People who have -- the rights to kind analysts tried for about time to succeed is all our forums. Hasbro offered to support us. Had a proviso that. If it didn't play that was only -- we -- liable for expenses which could have been millions of course that was and don't know. -- Has that been properly pursued at the time had I known. -- When it was submitted which -- because if it was submitted in good -- that's one thing with -- that thought it was -- has drawn -- patent office. So it wouldn't been wrong on any that it has stood up in court request made. Fortunately. It's the most important thing I ever did outside of coming up with the basic video game concept. And it got -- stuff someplace because I didn't want to -- Be careful. Don't take anything for granted don't throw anything away. Now open for questions one at a time."

" yeah or -- the young lady here because you can really took me my ears say what they used to be I'm 87. So I'm lucky to be here."

" Hi -- my name is just the -- Adam. So the question is familiar. When when -- thing about dead give videogames to the thing about like who was supposed to play games."

" So yes absolutely. Right from the beginning we -- family affair. There's never intended to be a one on one thing even when we used god like an -- that's -- it was always the other person movement over the spiral. I if you if you remember receiving overly in the back about. See commercial. Have haunted house the other guy was over the spot around behind open windows. You would like -- it. Windows always meant to be -- if there. It's never outline to be 11. It was that it is anti social thing with guys that. -- guys to blow me. Questions."

" Thanks so much for -- presentation. I'm curious what that moment where you query in management. And started making things again and you felt like you're doing things with tubes and and you said that was little out of sync with close in vote at the time. Did you have people where you -- the -- work and they saw the tubes and -- are pleased news."

" Yeah by that time. Every marchers 67 rolls around we had. Demonstration of that -- chassis would analysts side. That please have a different games. And -- we'd be technician who work with me in me. You don't -- of about to bring management picture we know racial boldly did. To the director of R&D. Who had already give me 2000 bucks different. They. And about five books of the -- There generous and the director of patents. They were both friends of mine because. In my position that was part of the past review committee these guys were on the committee that was like a family affair and they looked at my stuff that. Especially her camp and -- direct via an RD. Really election that the screen you got good securities frequently if I was in that we decided we have to show -- who can't do this rules. I prepared for that demonstration. The idea recordings introduction each of seven games on that tape recorder I put a whenever I got herself and possibly into my big box. Which it was output with some into the video so it came out -- audio on this speak about television said. So before -- played -- games -- they for the audience which turned out to me. The president of the company at a whole board of directors because -- that date and that date. I didn't have to -- introductions because at a pre recorded. I still have that original audiotape. And digitize its own website. And everybody there except that two members of me. The board directors and long faces and present a company said in effect well. Shall we don't make money. Well. I have managed -- division. I can take two people put them aside on my overhead does the ripple mildly it at a ten million dollars to write him payroll. So who worked just went on -- have to know my bosses to. There. And VP for engineering Ulanova Stewart if you're remarked on occasion I used to score out with the stuff there. Left and -- yeah we get there. Let me for any sign up people might decide to come and of course the two changed considerably. I guess it's possible. To do. Independent things in the company's if you develop the right connections. Instead the company if what you're doing. And some real merit. I was -- and went through this before how difficult it was to figure out what I would do stuff. -- as anybody around who could tell me what to do with that. They generate every step away from inside out. The other questions. And dvds are solitary thing he mentioned -- the story. Problems voices. That's another subject anybody here. And everybody here. Wants to get into cardiology. And really solve a problem. Helping people are hearing deficiencies. Which has not in 50% of the case had nothing to do. Wouldn't that happen to me attitude you can. I am competitive efficiency you can hear -- couple of ordinary amplifier which is -- theory that's that's not the problem. Problem is that the stuff as easy here. Isn't and -- saying oil goes up you brain and it gets recorded up there and -- scramble doesn't work fast enough. As you get over because as a whole lot of stuff missing symbolism missing it -- no longer get transmitted. This substantial. Portion of female voice gets screwed up the process of the and according to Korea there. And somebody somewhere along -- so that -- who -- out of time but one. --"

" I've been committed who. There is anything other then people playing games by themselves that surprise. You."

" Well as speculative. Asking me is. -- how surprised was -- hell hole in the comics industry developed. Who won and they're totally totally integrated -- we went from. Discreet transit system IC for -- early statement chief of state machines that Michael -- Mike how's that -- Michael process. There's still more memory palace some of things I skipped up he has had built. -- because I've built -- memories. Not -- and -- out of producer who was with the interface of those memory storage area. We can story compress it heavily or in productively. As a very -- semiconductor memories would be in the show up it's just think it's even well unless you put your mind to it don't cranky. Yeah you know it's three backwards in your mind do you visualize. The stages of development have taken place the last ten years when you know all history of humanity. Is this almost straight line as geometric curve of the first 1000 years. And an industrial revolution comes along and now we're at at the point of inflection. In the early 1900 -- yeah. And now work on that straight curve right up to have -- And things -- movie fantastic great things about how we build things. Back then -- one do you went tech. Doing a whole project. Today. Guys have to specialize. Some of them in this country because it's so complex. They can -- two entry. The answer questions or."

" I. It's amazing is that he is estimated -- but it just happened it just. -- I guess nobody missing is today and yesterday's Wall Street Journal is an announcement of of these scandal. You can do is bigger all -- And has additional capabilities. I guess that's better graphics -- can do a better job on textbooks. To me as an advocate violence. Anybody would policy. But thank -- Iowa. -- if you want to find me for any reason here bright ideas. Or if you want input and ideas and never went anywhere. You can find me I'm Irish -- comp instead -- And I'm -- of -- did -- come here. Let's stuff."

" That pretty much answers my question which doesn't list where it where where'd you wanted to go from here. Where do you see it or would like to see it go from here."

" Well some of the things are happening now I exactly what I think we ought to be going an eight united and I Daschle to Khatami. A whole -- Video game recognizing -- you -- the rule and reacting to you. And shooting at the screen. With the -- knows where you are ducking behind the pernicious -- if you. And guess what there rip me off. I helmet that. Optical sizes and what can I do soon. And here is the weak man my history used to all those things. I just got demonstrations earlier something else -- related it's wonderful. And another one things. I've been pushing for -- that is 3-D stereo. IE wedding pictures we've done this treaty. Over listeria realist I have about 3000 stereo realist it's. That there had to pick my entire married life is going up. The process of scanning almost one if the biggest job being identified patient my wife didn't titles that. And now I have to reconstruct -- is -- a nineteen. Seventy tool is that he's 73. It's 10 yeah. -- 3-D of course as most of you know come along as. I've known to stream movies they IMAX screen. And if industry and against together which to project in 23 years. The system. Just everything's going to be pretty those -- you. And -- production know it. If you believe is -- like movies or EP native treaty. You you know way. So I'm off that I was on a soapbox facilities have been taken happen -- just like enough. Three -- yes -- what's in the future -- What else more creative in their faces. One of the last things I did inventions. That went through contract live Logitech. As a replacement for the idea that mapped through all of that. This is a gadget that is hopeful that. And he. You know what throw tomatoes from other people here earlier. It went -- I think adjustments Logitech spent probably a million bucks -- going all the way to prototype. -- forgot to romance is -- a customer who -- Who who is he GDR. Major producer. C'mon Konami. Kosovo's Konami -- only and they didn't for. Romance. -- management high enough level and they decided not to go forward. So the -- out my license which is -- too much because. Six. Substantial things that figure. By I don't know if realist here. Again lucky. That that came in. Again. Japanese Sony award. That -- Tripoli. Had produced. -- And still collecting talking tools has -- Design five years ago mostly distribution in Europe and South America. There to a site Amazon -- laws that speak --"

" The other question. What's your favorite lists of favorite game now and Koji image and I don't play again tell me why would crystallize don't work well. Have a problem I reactions are much too slow the only time I've played games -- my grandkids come. Triple on there. I. There. There we were some tea and make me play some game. Significance -- it if it."

" It's too fast. I tried it. -- cars and -- had no walls -- it. As for younger guys. Over and not averse to work in the territories still have some concept to input devices. Currently have no ones supporting me because all the guys who work with reality is that is apparently. That is apparently into practice. Businesses. One of them is. In court all the time it's expert witness. Makes a fortune money tragic story for you after the parts of our. I got -- started. -- another guy who work with me. That is done with me and it sends a work camp things like talking tools. These are just words also supports toys is currently building that fifteenth. Electronic teapot and no coffee maker excuse me coffee maker of some company 128. Where he's basically taken over engineers because so much and of -- and office software mechanically engineered. And hardware and -- prison -- running the place so I lost all my support people and support me not. And he got the most primitive program active program pickax chips. -- That's for younger guys 13. If anybody here really wants to do something. Creative needs some important. As a time trials -- time. You want to remind. Listen to you. We're still say no."

" I've -- a just a question about. The early -- days when you're doing a lot of your development did you have interactions with these days of computing companies -- exchanges with the lower working in -- the development of the prototypes of computers and things of that soared as you work -- yes things."

" Yes after see who worked rigid Islamic supreme. And since there are very cooperative I switched gears that would took co equal output -- to a -- this -- it was their first game. Based on anyway treaty 500 ship. I hope for -- designed by Tel instrument. In Scotland. I help them though the first machine I got a month out of trouble and that would travel with the FCC. Different paths. Except justice. Trouble and it sent -- license. After it. And I got a contract for uncle because this divide that -- parts of an X three models three. Here we military times company setting guys decide to give you games. Supported them magnum ultimately -- to affect us too were indicted yet. He gate if I had gotten me -- because management suddenly decide we don't want to be in this business I heard about it took an airplane through Tennessee. We're of the factory was. Et cetera conference team had just come off successful run -- we go and turn them around through Beck and company and -- And engineers and -- black grape creek all the over the the door frames and on the windows that were on the phone trying to get themselves new jobs. 22 programs turn on again I was I -- out of them a development system. We produced a cut but cut it. That was again haven't you anything after that except back and nineties again. -- And -- basis for -- Two existing games I was intend to period in interest. Rate for example we took me the idea that put let's. Which you could play different games we put electronics into it do you play every game with 50% of your hands. There were two most TV did capacities now which was one vote where you stood up which isn't tied it and again and justice and economic. And we had this interactive gun business what screen you -- with a player was in the room. And -- and I had -- helmet would have gotten side there aren't enough of that product game so that was another period and again. -- walked away from. And then more recently. It's painful. For. Comedy which when a lot of time. -- for two weeks worth. Of pros. Abstraction two -- work."

" When deal Odyssey. Was available for sale what usually does well one of television ads. What what what what other means what they use two. At a time to market do consumer electronics -- trade issues."

" If you remember there commercial went by so fast -- problem. -- via one of the use of -- and a card. The oddest news plug in -- programmable there was nothing on the cards except into connections. To connect to the logic -- about. For the she played. Think about it play. And blow which to me was always a -- game of the wall moved over to the side detailed -- took turns. Handball volleyball side feels alive while field. A rifle shooting game that chase game. A couple of other games were -- over ways. And each one of these required different countries for each one of them it was a different over the they always came up that emphasizes so that it would fit. Yes walls so much sense so this thing with. Like in programmable the next tiger program of game was watched the future. If aid. Whichever processor -- and everybody looked to that country -- it was a monstrous package APEC. Contribution -- those things the -- envisions. It -- system and it went what was in it was obviously as a -- semiconductor memory."

" Of the I was also wondering if there were like trade shows at a time. All were all almost all of."

" The sales like direction to these two -- at least use the treatment straight through from the view him does restrict its arcade games. It is emulation music helped -- America show the places Chicago. Agree. April I think I went to all of them. Lots of notes if notes the audience. Took a Prius is enough they definitely -- enough volume. And we -- first lawsuit on retiree. And I -- just come off you have the time -- you guys have to leave. Just abruptly when you go Atari had Atari had. Ability. The first home game. First hometown game and they got lucky I know went to two. And Sears Roebuck in Chicago where he had. Slumped twice before you try to sell something and the guy talked to say you won't be you belong to us what's got. You want to demonstrate this was -- he said that was guys it is fantastic point 250000. Pieces like Christmas. So here we are some 75. And that 76. And you can be relieved of toys and magnify tiny enough -- and started spending money on going have to people the first people that -- after it was not tiring. And knowing and I met -- courtroom steps the federal court. And Chicago and he has -- you would have I don't think it was as well as victims of the she is flawed and and Alois and historian settled before it went to court it was not -- first -- it was against. Midway Siebert. All -- manufacturers. Several others. Atari got -- up upfront license for quite a reasonable sum of money. Which yeah. They did because that even the playing field for that they got in at a lower rate everybody else's future if if a path to stop and pretty sure that's what state. Embryos would have to pay substantially greater. Rate to be in that business of one. When -- competition swept Atlanta went to license. And from then -- I spent the next five. Thank more than ten years often in court. And you know patents it took. San Francisco in Ottawa alone in London -- We want every one of those cases. Everything went through. A Court of Appeals they want everyone feels. Sessions and tell them. It's a much money that I could do all the stuff I did -- company into interactive video. To a lot of other stuff that has. -- that. I would've never brilliantly doing a company to have been this Fossum on the wall of money god."

" My name was happening on cents a corporate -- you -- I am going to -- capacity came. Outside electronics design stills and it's. It's getting to -- Two years later -- also. Outside and I tries capability for hallmark cards. After the first talking cars by Christmas or another check -- and I'm here. For you. Did anybody -- Care no. I. Knew what they want. It yeah."

" It's an exciting. Doing this ought -- to -- spot the first one it was a scene when you the mission education. How was the fusion -- were developing the computer games in the -- call them for that of what was the vision he had for education if you had -- your of the future of that nowadays."

" Well quite a few people bought policies. And views and nursery schools and preschools. And -- mentally disabled people. That was credited attention -- early him. No I'm using video games. Most purposes. And it's not -- its way back when. And yeah. A total of things to accept that I knew there were very small markets and sure it was something no one collective."

" One question on a year patent. Lawsuits and so forth and what was the biggest one the biggest lawsuit you again. I mean you don't have time to that and if you attempt on and horses for the players I mean -- lawsuits. -- to these patent. Chiles gets started we're where the --"

" All involved well let me. -- your picture the first lawsuit against Atari which we settled out of court was against major arcade manufacturers and they had. Six or seven or eight -- in -- courtroom. It was three on our side. And in front of me. I was understand sometimes when -- we have the time I turn to -- right -- here the first half we had. There's a guy and his 4840s. He just come out of private practice and on the bench -- extremely smart guy. Ex football thing. Very nice very personally turned to me and I talked to him half the time. Instead of responsibilities. In front of me was ten million feet documents. Plus a brown box sitting there when I demand typically. Things like a ping pong game and alone gives. I'll let stood on me here to try and I had to try opposition want to try and show that what we did was different than what they did and at and T square now. Big fat wars in there and there arcade games and -- judge wouldn't mind because basically. What we're fighting about this concept that being gay games on home televisions and a -- opened up the back of I -- it was going to court. It just came down conventional -- and as a says televisa -- disabled note again for the first video because. All got to do is equivalent to saying today."

" Yeah yeah. But at. That point."

" Was that we had these claims that specifically. Pointed to the interaction between machine control. And -- control some biology on the screen and the results of interaction yeah and it was a result interaction. Commotion also disappearance. Of machine control. Symbol and that covers everything for that they'd. They it to us seventy's who has all the games and work. Palm needs is derivatives that. The tank games. They -- all. The same basic. Constituent parts so. And now. That's what went on. Four weeks. Opposition tries to convince. They. A judge that we -- as apple circuitry."

" And the digital circuitry Tsquared but to have that -- I never knew just how the Vietnamese difference. But they've opted out of that as a matter of fact is no analog circuitry and while box except well modulated and Arafat. Count three count for us later and said yeah that's it. The rest of his policy circuitry and digital logic but they had would you call the flip flopped. That was a while about. It's digital so what would you call diet logic. And and gates visuals there could. To this date no abortion can't stand that keeps referring to as the house. -- And I wanna so yes there were some major major winnable. -- boy answered your question what was a major loss of vision -- who was against -- tell. My tell us negotiated in the center court. They lost. We went they went through appeals are lost and finally settled for twelve million bucks which to -- these. Which -- really PS in terms of today's. -- is. Now -- money."

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" Thanks so much very entertaining of these questions that. That's the -- like the lot and in your work is your commitment to the television and bringing new functionality to this common device and it it seems like. In a way is some of the things that you hoped would happen were realized with the Internet. I wonder if you could talk a little bit about things that you've done with the web and how it does or doesn't match with player expectations might have been."

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