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Can We Talk about Race?

Title: Can We Talk about Race?

Published: Wed, 12 Aug 2009

Description: Spelman College President Beverly Daniel Tatum sounds a warning call about the increasing but underreported resegregation of America, on the 53rd anniversary of the Bro wn v. Board of Education de cision. A self-described "integration baby," Tatum sees our growing isolation from one another as deeply problematic, and she believes that schools can be key institutions for forging connections across the racial division. In this book, Tatum examines some of the most resonant issues in American education and race relations. As an acknowledged expert on race relations in the classroom and the development of racial identity, she participated in President Clinton's "Dialogue on Race" and lectures extensively throughout the country. Tatum is also the writer of Why Are All the Black Kids Sitting Together in the Cafeteria? and Assimilation Blues.

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