Title: Skeptics Guide #216 - Sep 9 2009

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" Well that was our live recording from -- income in 2009. And now we're all back at home. Back in front of our computers so what you guys think I -- striking. -- us it was a lot of fun. I'm -- back there to have hepatitis cut yeah. It. I don't know what's not to hanging out with."

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" But I've never had a chance to really connect -- it you know but obviously we connect every week and I -- Bob. But it was our special little moment it was -- it was really it is fun. I'd I enjoyed on the right kind those of me I can't wait to do it let's do it again I I want to do about that hard I went to a hard next year an army --"

" Thursday it reminded not this Friday and Sunday crap that's that I did and we got seats in -- and we need to go into -- hello all of it's not just the pirate skeleton. By the -- all of us cost you god help everybody where we would just got a brainstorm what will be good as a group. She did I was doing a group cost but we were trying to do it towards the end -- I mean if you read of people like Cheryl Herbert in elections wife and intra day and in what it was come up with the skeptically deemed constitute."

" Yeah yeah -- I think I. I did George share I Democrats get a chance to hang out with her either and she's awesome conceded exactly what I wanted to do. Which is build an entire cost you at dragon con. That she shows up one day and she looks totally normal and an hour later she's like to look what I got -- school alone. And then -- could have a look at -- circle goggle that gets -- a few hours leaders like that choruses. It I don't know -- That the possible that that's carried hughes' author."

" Yeah yeah I got to hang out with her and Daniel we we walked around it we're we're doing the whole costume gawking thing and now we had a blast that we were just like trying to get caffeinated and freaking out. There's so many awesome -- you guys told me about this last year I had no idea. It's a freak show."

" Yeah I wasn't there last year either so I thought I was going to come and -- they. I thought it would feel completely -- and and freaked out -- of the nerds but. Instead it was like a laser make people affected."

" What the cause there's there's -- two cons going on and there's a skeptical conference right skeptical. Science and podcasting tracks there. And that's. A couple of hundred to 300 people that you a lot of the people discuss the community all of our friends that we don't get the seat but once or twice a year -- played Richard -- Brian downing. He or were all there trying to hang out with each other and -- through all of our a lot of our listeners are there and just use skeptics need new skeptics who didn't know we existed he knows who commute is that the kind but it's embedded in. Track and car to get -- to take a break a walk around in Dane walked past Darth Vader and."

" So RI -- they go in -- fed just. Unbelievable stuff clearly even the even the people who are just there for dragon con who would never heard of skepticism. At all. -- so cool and I think what -- my personal favorite moments was. During I did a panel with Adam savage. Which is so much fun and a woman got up to ask a question and she directed dead heat that I. -- a panel with they'll play an added savage and -- think there. And and this -- and sees she asked me your question which is often enough for the kiosks of public pregnancy pseudoscience is she says --"

" She's never heard of me or skeptic but she loves the whole idea of their being a skeptical. Moved right and."

" I love that lovely reaching an audience that just didn't -- is coming who's still. Tolerate us and here if you like through."

" This is the second year of the skeptical track and threatened that -- successful snooze you we have to give kudos to Derek and through before. Basically bringing skepticism podcasting to -- on our yet they did a wonderful job."

" And they even managed to live stream large chunk of -- track and so people at home could tune in there's so much."

" Last week in the city would you be interested in joining our panel I was like oh my god yeah -- be great. And I had a great time yet there was actually too much to do to a so much going on."

" I was on a panel about the apocalypse that was on the apocalypse -- It was the entire track. Of apocalypse stop and if any of you guys running the track I guide of the class I really enjoyed doing that panel but if he -- you this team right now."

" You need to address these guys like Bob need to come on and talk about John. That would have ruled that may be next in the last year that trek will be 2012 so these are great actor not a lot easier for average."

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" Please look at besides these items or fax two meals and one thing. And then I challenge my panel of skeptics to tell me which one is that they yet ready for this week the soot sensor ready. -- out. Item number one programmers have demonstrated visual recognition software that is able to read captured distorted text as well as humans. -- to a team at MIT has finally figured out that three dimensional structure of cement. And -- a three. Engineers have developed the first functioning electrical circuit that runs entirely off the energy inside -- every golfers. Off."

" Okay so these programmers. Apparently have demonstrated visual recognition software. Able to read caption distorted text as well as humans. Yeah I mean that's entirely plausible. Surprised that -- isn't already sort of who's behind the times kind of security feature real quick CAPTCHA is when you go to -- website. And EC disoriented letters are skewed letters and yet the type -- in the idea is that. You know software would not be able to see that an interpreted as the letters it's a very complicated thing. But yet the thing that was a working on the -- EU contact page on. Now to see it as well as humans though that might be the catch there song welcome back to that point. The second one was the team at MIT that finally figured out the three dimensional structure of cement. And they figured it was like Q herb block -- Finally figured that out could job MIT. And then the last one engineers developed the first functioning electrical circuit. That runs entirely off the energy inside a tree I think I think only to an explanation as to exactly how that works I mean I'm sure that's reality. But first functioning electrical circuit that runs entirely off the nineteenth century I think that -- all right so it's either. Capture or the MIT team and and -- say. I'll say that capture won his fiction because it's they probably have the software that comes close. To reading it as well as humans but maybe not quite there yet maybe. 80% 90%. Of what humans can do so I'll say that inspection."

" OK Rebecca yeah I don't think it's the as well as humans that's during emea as well because there that this study about that. There are programs out there that. Or at least who the working on things that can read taxed. Britain tax Gannett and translated into. Birds. But I don't think it's to the point yet where it's as if good is -- humanize so I in -- to agree with my buddy Evan senses that its fiction we are buddies are. The high five -- hide who you."

" yeah at to say that I've within. I had today programmers that are demonstrated visual recognition software that is able there recaptured distorted text as well as humans. That's really interesting and -- the obvious show where Kevin's head of the I find it hard to read myself sometimes. I did think. The first time I've I've found out what capture was or had used remember thinking about it and in wondering you know when they can build a cracked this one side I don't think it's that far out there that they can come up with software that. Thank you take that image and India and analyze it. The second line a team at MIT is finally figured out the three dimensional structure of cement. Alan I mean I I am sick right now I'm heavily medicated I don't get this question of the state of completing. -- three dimensional structure of cement. Yet there's got to be other people out there listening to the show that don't understand what that is well there three dimension. It would mean like how how cement like connects to itself how it -- to itself and how. Whenever -- you know I use more special glasses when you shop saw -- there. -- You relate what makes -- stick to itself what makes it Harden. How you know that's that's close enough. Think that they would we would already know since it's so unbelievably widely used detested everything that. Wouldn't we know the chemical make up -- with what -- would. How that plays itself. I would I would think that we would have maybe we did but the team MIT didn't and they finally figured out. I would find it hard to believe that we didn't have a very strong idea about house networks along time ago. The third one engineers have developed the first functioning electrical circuit that -- entirely off the energy inside a tree. Absolutely. I can't I really. Could buy that. That makes a lot of sense. So I would go out of a limb and I'm gonna say that number is that. Is the MIT's figure it out to three dimensional structure cement that's terrific okay dot com."

" Customers are a number two but so mad men disagree we reviewed GA. I -- it's a little bit of a surprise that we don't have it in party figured out but also. And -- set -- hand -- I'm not -- surprise that there's some subtleties to cement and we haven't I apparently until now truly figured out. I of that ultimate unit of cement and it's when the surprise me that bad. The electrical circuit running up the Sri energy. Yeah that would sounds pretty plausible to me to remember reading about robots -- are being developed that actually. Ran off of like fruit metabolism trying to get energy -- like animals -- living things do. On -- then this would just seems. Very similar idea to that. I'm so not a surprise but that went to capture one no way kids it's not happen -- yes. That is that one of the holy Grail of visual recognition. Is to have machine second recaptured as well as humans. I definitely would have heard about that that would be big big news if they were able to do that at this point. And they'll crack it definitely at some point but not quite yet they have not figured that out yet it'll happen but that's definitely fiction."

" Okay so you all agreed and engineers have developed the first functioning electrical circuit that runs entirely off the energy inside a tree and barriers snow on the steam is science. And I. I had -- science. Yeah into his -- science. So -- plug this thing to a typically get that they are -- are things are solid but what wire into the -- got a wire into the dirt and it generates a week it's you know current -- ground. They he's the -- city of life man united nineteenth you're not gonna get G module off of that it's very very little. But this could have practical applications. Specifically. If you won't need to have like monitoring devices out in the woods. You can plug him into the tree. And unity it's not if it doesn't require damage due to keep going -- he could be you know self sustaining in that way. These days then he could generate a voltage of up to 200 mile ovals. So very much now but take a whole bunch of trees 100 -- something and right. So that would strip with the can reverse order. A team at MIT has finally figured out. The three dimensional structure of cement -- that's when this fiction models in the science. And this one is paying. What is. Sites outcome by news that really I opt -- really aren't so off on this game this year it's ridiculous how does day hugs. Also that. Cement that are Africa for a thousand years and we actually. Didn't really know understand it's three dimensional structure. I there was some theories. We thought that -- structure was similar to a mineral called. Whom the Tolbert right. -- over own program. That is the most -- right Carl took -- into memory. But what they figured out is that the way to describe -- three dimensional structures if you imagine a clean. And composed of crystal triangles. -- but every now and then one of the triangles -- flipped perpendicular either up or down. And is embedded. In the later of triangles above or below. So that's how you -- that's how -- how it finds itself together. And they said that it's. Any name it's a high bridge between I've yet to hybrid between a crystalline structure and anymore fee structure. So it's. Partly like glass and partly like a crystal. And it means. They figure out this way in which it in bed together so they could not to them previously. And I'm surprised to hear that yet. And only been president did not forever 2000 years there's -- a tough nut to crack in terms of figuring out exactly that Howard. To have the structure reforms internally and the Romans use concrete you know part of the -- known. -- and there. I'm surprised to hear but it also does goes to show you -- all the signs that that we've done over the last 150 years. There's so much we still don't know even about things that we're surrounded by it but here's one last thing we don't know about. All of this means that programs have demonstrated visual recognition software that is able to read captured -- Texas both humans is completely. Fiction. Complete fiction is complete fiction and fast in fact. Scientists. Have recently done a study looking at the best capture. Visual recognition software. And concluded that it is nowhere near human ability at the current time. -- my eighty to 90% accuracy is where you guys know what CAPTCHA stands for. Yes I can't actually participate. Now like Houston now I mean it means completely automated public turing test to tell computers and humans apart. That's right that's correct yeah yeah. Stalin did take from McConnell for awesome that's cool off probably to go a long time come right so but my question -- you -- Steve. Then why. Has -- is slowly evolved over the past few years to be more complicated. Why would they just keep the original version of what the original quake -- lot easier to read."

" Well what they found is that even with the best programs. It does not tolerate deviations from a standard set of letters well at all. And debts and it's interesting you know to what. The human brain does better than computers and computers to better then the human brain is an interesting topic this is one of those things this certainly. I'm visual recognition in general is something that human brains to exceedingly well. But this in particular. Is he simply meant -- would bring it does well matching. Patterns. That are. Representative -- did not specific. You know they -- so how out but that's how they could be so many different fonts right. Writing how was it that you can recognize a letter a in a thousand different fonts there's the -- about it that your brain gets into it understands that American actions or yeah it's actually pattern recognition that's more than it's it's it's an abstract from a pattern recognition that we're very good that. That computers are just they're not functioning in that way."

" I read I read about hackers and actually. Use people. To do the capture because we're so far we've -- the yen automated that they actually data set people that would it's very slow of course. But they they need to people but it in. Another aspect of that that was that I think it's a great way -- you know perhaps like accelerate the evolution of computer pattern recognition could you know these hackers are working on this heart and their heart or whoever cracks sat. Mean it's it's somehow a hacker can practice before say MIT. Boy for the for what little while they're gonna have. Quite an edge I wonder about is this a software problem is this the kind of thing that. Raw computing power is gonna be able to overcome. War is it that human brains are massively parallel. And it nothing short of that. Is going to view is gonna be good at this kind of problems. You know. Perhaps it may. What if that they ever tried using a high into the computer to do this. I don't think so but I don't think we're even -- hi -- of the highest test -- computer -- could handle it why don't -- here's my prediction I think that. With current hard Greg designs will be able to do this with a virtual model of of the human brain or released that subset of like the visual cortex right which were already working up. And we've already shown that that virtual models of columns are parts of the human brain can actually function. As software re actually can do yet to -- due to function that your that your duplicating. I think that that could be a pathway to to solving capture eyed girl and why visual cortex basically all right well we'll -- we don't have that much time left so let's do you."

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" That's sounds familiar. Are at folks so give it your best shot good luck all right guys so when this show goes up we will be the."

" The first nexus continental I can't wait guys and yeah no way. That's not the only mean cool event coming up if you guys miss striking Colin like half the people like right out of can be indexes. And then the following Tuesday. That fifteen then we're gonna have a very special of Boston skeptics the -- With special guest Australian scientist blogger and podcasters. Doctor Rachel. AKA doctor Ricci. So I'm in that important that we're grants whom much fun -- do. We're gonna go back to the live show just four of the quotes. And Babel and up to show for this week."

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