Title: Video: "J. Michael Straczynski: The Julius Schwartz Lecture"

" I was I was told -- of the seminar for top like creators but -- that could make it so here. It -- me. As a disclaimer I am. More comfortable with giving yeah informal talks and that answer questions and in her that you. Iraqi when you guys that I am getting a formal thought I suck at these. Particularly have to come to visit MIT we're going to -- smarter than I am but several orders of magnitude. Like I -- to type square and officer and head you know to. I tried to find new -- jokes about engineering students but among the (%expletive) funny. Critics of what can to a bar. So it's Monday announced it. What's your point. And it coming up with a topic to discuss. I could tell them wait succeed where they can get on with delight and great things. No I was about failure and yet. And they get in touch with your inner failure. And they really be -- probably being called it's never too late to fail. Say the military has its point of view. That you have to do something over and over again until you've -- If you don't -- that you're not doing it right. Because that's how you learn where the wall. And when you -- with double -- how to adapt and change or get over the wall you know they'll get over it learned. And the supplies to lack as well I think in two studies into work into careers and television. If you don't fail once in awhile. You're not doing it right. There's a sort of box that we -- car for ourselves that we know we can do overstate that. And we can this thing in the box because people outside the box is scary. You could fail. And that's terror. -- suggested all of us to be something much to avoid it and it's it's really. Well have to embrace the idea failure I regret you can't kill all the time. And achieve anything electric that with the president or something. But should -- It holds you back. And if that university and much smaller IQ school. And -- the -- Oddly who worked at the daily ethic paper there and notice that woman who worked there's offers them through what -- off to a better school. And she was. I mean just. Long life attracted to you that if Lee Harvey Oswald had seen -- for the I thought. Of that no good when they're burned his eyes out to be a better world today we've got. That's what we're talking about right. And after about a month. -- out with the photographer bill yet. And it wasn't that he with -- Which had peeled off leveled off to get to this got. And between me. And so -- what that effort put in the semester I asked him. One where her. And I'm not making up -- appliances actual honest to god words. His hole as deep as he went was I like long tubes that was his only answer. So I asked hurt them believe it poems of Britney at this point. Why you're going. So it when nobody else that's me. That there are all too intimidated. Especially do she said. And and you'll that we were all operated it will operate after Iraq being told. -- But during Japanese and -- without these skews the data enormously bodily fit that was AM. A study done where. Like outlook to the woman's casually. -- College Park and experiment and say listen I've I've seen account support theory attractive. Real long you're gonna bet. And nine times that -- can -- you walk away what I about it than that. She would say yes. Which -- when the put up with the mine collapse. Oh and you learn that suddenly she got up and you honestly. Without always. Everything divers -- moment failure well bigger in women and women metres pretty combination. I was clueless about what I know African idea. I was that barrel that's been -- with a woman I was dating at the time. The two point three and from walked light breeze off the very well built and might Leo it says them. -- I said. I didn't million dollars. -- like women trip to Walt good that your open minded terms of being competitive with other women and you'll not idiots. -- I liked. What. Just if -- like -- to the the back -- where we're afraid of failure and the problem is we have to wake up federal lives. We tend to fall asleep. In our lives and we do the same thing today as yesterday and the -- to follow. And every so often you have to -- yourself away and do things. That really scary because you have to ask yourself. Is this the life you were promised. It's like you're expected. When you were covert ultimately in April up. If this fit. Argue there or are you when your wait to get there. I do what you must again to -- the possibly failure you want to achieve the goal. Of getting there which is why incidentally. A lot folks I know with him wanna be writers were. There were gonna screen player or novel or book or whatever it is restoring it for years. They never finish it. And it's the reason why they've never finish as it is done this could be judged. While some process. They can't be -- well to work progress. So it you know for most folks you know to wanna be writers have probably read instructors with which you do. And -- we I always those -- right from this time. And the odds were very much against it we're getting here because. I come from the lower middle class upper lower class blue collar background for seventeen years removed 21 times. -- authorities -- and but whatever if in this high on. That what we -- we wanna be a writer. Written I think I'm ready. After four years of piping and just I I always knew it there was one brief window where almost became something else but -- wanna be artist. I was about six. And out of my grandmother for awhile who had a border looked in the basement. -- or might be an awful -- about respect mister sir. And he was the border we I was told it was support what really went on who knows. She was she was with notes -- it and putt brothel was -- painter really good landscape and portrait painter. And he had been fine the commission expensive to do this one greatly in the months working. And watch him work on to a wheelchair. And he finished it up and with a look at the migrant -- to shoulder his finished work. He goes off. -- It needs something. What does it need it needs a kitty. So like at the brush. I -- the black and I've looked at it. But off of my grandmother tocchet and stops. Penis. My grandmother is using terms that never heard before. Haven't Russian happening it was scary. At -- stop stop it -- back with the pain from you know. He's right."

" Okay."

" I said this one's for me it puts on the shelf. If I'll begin again this is my thinking now. And I was impressed even -- excellent man countless. Also first person to ever died. I could understand what -- want -- well most -- you know buckle. But cubicle like if you want to leave. He had fun doing what he did and he shall be at that time. The passion. -- And to me if a kid that's very important because no one growing up believe that we're going to be right because Wright came from. The street I can from the word nothing Patterson New Jersey Newark, New Jersey first have -- universal part just awful environment. And kids in my neighborhood and become ready to grow rookie gas station in Northern Iraq -- in the supermarket. And in some ways that people think you around you. Don't do this but do what you fail. To see you know you could do that should appoint yourself gonna hurt for them work out trying to protect you. The corporate themselves. If you follow your dreams. And achieve them. In the deficit to themselves what did not -- And why didn't do. And that's the harder thing for them to accept. You have to do. What scares you. It's important if necessary even though and especially though you -- Because I get that it stated by the -- related for the audience. Of course in science fiction writing with pictures. And I was terrified public speaking stolen by the way. And she said -- have to re winners or broad class partners right. I was terrified I was just at the site. And came that -- wrote the short story imaginable but it had you know title in the period that would --"

" It's art -- It is for real action. Is called dot."

" I just public doesn't like it. I began reading the short story. And I got after accurately more comfortable right now. And sweating extreme pain in people -- back room. And halfway through -- appears that the that the worst thing -- news. -- about this this cannot stand I can't -- doing this I don't know what scares. They're -- have to do it but signed up that that -- to do. Orientation class. Were at this through walk. Counseling or walk thirty to forty students that time through the campus projecting that open space and get for six hours every day. Talk about your neighbors. For every day for weeks. Not in spite of the practice here because it's scared because I knew that I was -- like my boxer who. And we are trying to find lives. Were current is that necessary. To only one problem that not possible. What -- from -- was going out hunting -- bison and other people. Now it's the yelling at your boss. Kevin Kurtz and what to believe. Odds against and used it wealthy class and writing. The -- the -- requirements. -- always is when instructor who was. Difficult shall we say women -- a problem with women. And one day he was. Dressing down is what -- student Justin abusive offensive. -- line kind away. In the back of the room came leave for the -- alone. And no surprise to see if it was me. And we have words. And -- Bounced out of school and they said the part we know we've had problems so. Politico. But migrate all went down to. And is -- said you know you're you're never gonna be a writer. At the temperament for -- And make it him such as if he was half of the revenge for me by the -- I can't feel blowing up an insider you know. And so when I after I graduated I -- and in articles."

" Yeah."

" Short stories plays the Republican and copy. After a while collect. Yeah."

" I heard probably halfway. Through the numbers aren't that. And where where with the fuel cell vehicle went there and I have a more articles. They're up there with a pencil and shoved it into the ground. That is burial place. Like taking a vampire. -- hold a grudge. I've. Another story in part that that the purchase stories that happen with apple before. Again -- always -- your -- attending a state there was a professional in Norman Corwin with a lecture. And those -- you know -- work. -- This is the guy who wrote cantata for the UN human rights who was bigger and radio age -- Orson Wells are told to put together. Who was well -- our nation's finest writers got realistic in the fifties period off the edge when he was who the writer's writer Keisler will like. Rod sterling and and Ray Bradbury and -- Walter Cronkite. And an overall -- these are guys who simply -- kids learn from more. So much I wanted to class desperately. What's my problem he was in telecommunications and film department out how to market. In my -- our politics second sociology. -- if there is the same time. I wanted to get what you we had happened in the department to get the computer controlled cars but there -- little pricey power cart punches you know. And you get my hands on them -- the -- in the department but it was shortly that have broken. Thinking stupidly that I got the -- so but it with the question. Nobody would notice. Florida department document the admissions office and shook the first -- class and the way call me not office -- by the way that Wilbur Wright elementary. So -- the -- know what you are right now out of myself. Up in just Leo mine dignified figurative door. The series -- Pierzynski here. I see you outside please. So we go outside the hall. I understand you're actually entitled to be in its class. -- that's correct. How'd you get cards. Well that the the back door it's -- with -- well. Is fighting a smile during the full conversation. If you'd like to do that I -- regiments -- might want to learn from. It is well bill wanted to kick about it here. Out of the university if at all possible. Makes it I -- I read your writing is quite good and interstate helping with the other students."

" Sure you."

" And I if I -- not risk the failure of being a caught out he's held. It not working Norman. If there's an icon in my life it populist -- Ryder -- hot right Norman. I wouldn't be standing here today by Hitler certainly Norman about how to write. And they got to failure just huge. But you have to do it and in this is why -- back to the notion we have to do things that are risky -- to take chances are you willing to fail. And make decisions that will often come back home to Europe to the right decision at that time. When I was working electrical case in the real warriors. At Hewlett. I got called in by the French head of the company to -- they have just been picked up -- the real ghost busters based on the movie. And I avoid them science fiction actually -- this point. And never -- company. And John as the taxes is to me. I think too they've basically Jenny and Amy -- both -- you -- the play man."

" Do not make for me a liar."

" And they'll want the job but I didn't think --"

" Ever. What the worst happens I'll fail. Can't kill you. Can't you chip to get what you can be --"

" As it was cool."

" And that show you know who knows that show. And a be very popular one -- me. Now was so I became more visible. Wherever you -- say I don't know what chance you know he can't do a lie that effort. -- then your producer."

" Okay."

" Microsoft the benefit of the doubt. Or I kept power another TV show ended with season and has put up we want to have more input into the show next year knew what they are. Morally it that make decisions I can't look what company what's. Did he do that he'll lose your first live action show when you walk off of this work which again. Officer. And -- working on it so. As we heard that this guy stands up restore which I got that's the first -- to. Now want five. Story that was done in a fighter -- to respond to do. The first of the -- white screen -- TGI. Television -- would -- out all the structure that we use and reduce our report. -- that they were --"

" How excited by that I can -- over the place now."

" And oddly enough it work. -- you'd have to push yourself half. Were you war after the break the possibility earlier you have to look out and -- with headline news. Because most people never see it. Don't know that it's there. But they live in that constrict live in the box. -- by pushing yourself familiar -- discover where it is. And adjust yourself and take -- chance. That moving somewhere else in different job as a throughout the day. With a up on cute it you know it. We we are put here. To be magical. We're put here to do extraordinary things. Where you are may -- may not -- where you -- be in -- not. Trying get there -- all the way to which you're halfway there and you're -- happy happier if you would have been had you gotten all the way. Have to be fearless. Switches -- war that's that's what it says. And -- things working in television. On Jeremiah. Well. I was a journalist. For many years. -- that up after awhile. And television careers were -- years. Did that -- fail what haven't I done. Never written movie. -- television movies but never a real honest to god can feature built. And well. This is a chance to feel free taco it. So I spent a year researching -- for that heard about yours before. And roared its screen click on change. Which -- into my agent unaware it was coming it just went on his desk 1 morning. And -- the restricted data to come out of it figured it was a flop and actually work that's the point was the doing not the result. And it went that we later to Ron Howard who bought it. And individually that we can start it. And then to Clint Eastwood which -- And suddenly I've got him Mr. T V guy. To mr. it was filled rider but overnight. And knowing who helped us. I was the best. Part of it. -- live earth they felt indulgence of the perspectives that we all it means afterward with studio heads. Wouldn't fit what the hell -- you. What you come from continental -- how to write like this. And the cool thing about those or Nixon writers in the audience not one of them care how old ones here I was twenty or sixty was all the words on the page. And and that's key to. They hope for those who wanna be writers in this area that in the end it's the work the counts. -- good school that's school. Grad school like MIT. It's all down the quality of -- story telling -- in the quality of your words. And since change and I've kept some of the process of risking failure. But after awhile. That was just throw the friends of mine."

" It."

" And they called it one day Monday through we have probably six which which camera. We can help them out so we -- Warner Bros. -- And it's that we had to -- needs to be your written down -- right. And over again if there. Well when it. -- well -- actors on Friday. This was Tuesday."

" Can you do it."

" There's a moment when you know everything sucks up inside that you had to figure it's gone. And I said sure I'll do it. I went home and in 53 hours. Two hours of sleep a day for three days. I turned stripper. And they shot the son of bitch without notes. Called -- staff and comes out November without rain Korean are ours. And this sounds that were if that it would Tom Hanks and Tom Cruise and Ron Howard and shoot cameras -- And because. A little without -- To open. And are sitting. At the camp -- is amazing. I'm there with with Clinton again and then."

" All right I know it sounds all right."

" Mean imagine hanging out with -- The best part -- that part was. We have the premiere and there's like sixteen locked hard line up. And there's French police have to protect it quickly because it was. And it's right as the mystery to those health differences. When the lights and sirens go in the top of how we like to congress that they -- And and and into this thing and I wrote today. On the -- And the South Koreans but I've opened up with someone else's life. As -- effective -- And that's extraordinary thing about taking chances. -- live forever."

" When I was a kid with the blustery."

" You're relieved."

" There was death all around it might might accept a Russian camera -- to -- the motif. My grandmother -- death. -- go to funerals of the what -- even know. -- and then the reception afterward that have -- about the food and."

" Gonna bring me the funerals of other kids to -- at saint saint."

" Before I was born that was the brother born. Joseph Michael. Cool you know the -- with a compromise solution to. All of us who want the Wright amendment rather passively childbirth. And they're recycled and and when there was brought my mom of the cystic into the cemetery. And there's right."

" I just got here."

" And and that address -- I have to become immortal have to live forever so. And and to do that relies in the child thought I have to leave the -- to get off the gravity well I got it somehow get into space that somehow they think the forever. My idea. So. Phase one of the rocket. Was journalism. I hope I carry a long wait ten years. LA times time incorporated held examiner may have the magazine's national publications. And carry it but that army at -- back with the round. At that stage to. Television. Military -- for the 15 merger object it happens historians aren't. -- you guys look like that that was he can't walk. He can act together they fight crime. After double on five and Kristi can't petered out Jeremiah was -- the nightmare partners. And rocket began to go down. I'm now fifty years old. Two years ago. Four years ago."

" Almost like."

" And I may have one last stage left in me but at this stage in the was co worker. Or believing you know ignite or protect me anywhere. So I thought well pictures. Political stage three which case. I held dog it was rockin' and should collect the garbage. I -- Packet to the curving --"

" And I -- That's a damn good place to -- picket."

" Well thanks a lot. I -- ago. So I I I should note that Norman or just celebrated ninety ninth birthday last month so he's still teaching. CN still -- firings what you're trying to do nor. -- the sent me for writing."

" Was imitating or -- There are writers who understand languages no one else does government as well there's a documentary -- out of him years ago won Oscars. And due to check out. I love of the writers learned from him cable we aren't they cannot. Credit him enough I would not be as good writers by him or is decent -- I think I am had not been wrong. As me anything on. Self. -- or use another person -- just mention he's worked on the new twilight -- yes any thoughts about sterling has its long term contributions. While throwing. He is required to audition for me that there. -- to copy of my own writing apple norm -- chip -- it might kill. 'cause it's just so astonishing. Is apparently by the lightning rod. To the Southwestern College. I was there on this Saturday. On the back for that. On. I was at that college student I was there at the high schools do every year the high schools in the area -- schedule with a high school. Would have career day and then bring the best athletes the best -- the best singers this riders two. Two. Tough with the college for career day to show what these people can do. And they had you know all the writers is far away civilized company's possible -- show us often bill ourselves. It's like 71 -- to. And I'm saying they're my short stories from mean that no one's going by. This one to sit there we historian hot summer day. And this deal comes in wearing corduroy. Blazer and in slacks. Sort of a Culpepper got better."

" Which of gods here. Salt and pepper hair. Was a -- that -- at all it would."

" I -- over. It got in the backs hear me okay earlier. -- right. But -- completely unsatisfied -- usually -- relationship so that way."

" leading unsatisfied. -- Thank you."

" Let's so there it still comes in and walked on the line tables. And comes to my table and -- him a short stories partnership horror story that it you know -- there. To South Lawn care needs it comes back we'll fix that they want to become another what we've just now comes back and looks at me for a long time it is. You have a great and abiding count for someone your age I have to -- 31. Cut every productive."

" Okay."

" Which I'm still working on by the way."

" Second never let it stop me from writing the story you want right. The advisers over the -- comes like a rockets let him. What is I told what is that you look at him but that is. Through if you talk -- they -- the universe that the college. I'm -- the door and."

" And it's like to know if he's gone. Like an operation just --"

" I couldn't even afford to buy ticket. You know. And my first salvation you know -- years later. Okay on the Detroit so. And that we found an outline. By rot prep so he never put the script form we'd like to collaborate posthumously. To --"

" So I wrote -- partially in his nine and I try really hard to recreate -- voice everything voice. And after an area letter from Carol throwing as well. To say that she watched -- episode it was a -- written it. And of although -- have received over the years that the leopard in my office. That would mean most of and -- official working on the zone I was right after myself to remember them with your project. There was an Arctic -- for a piccolo Pete's in the valley. Watches articles that beautiful stuff done. And governor and then when the how the picture of watches him out in the fifties which there about the -- issues with the originals. But that I want -- wrapping it up for me. This has got one of these recently and lastly have who's yours yours yours yours yours ago and completed by the with the writers would last -- who was that rock throwing. And later on the aspect to the production to well it's a rod stuff for -- the press so. He's an constant factor in my life over the years. And again I just think I -- I love language of taking work slamming them together a whole new ways -- seeing what happens with an explosion together as a result and and rod was a master of that. And if you learn from rod and you learn from Norman Taylor who Harlan Ellison he actually acquire those skills in your toolbox result acquiring tools. Writing artistry there -- working on it's all about acquiring tools as you go along. -- it only have a hammer every problem is the -- So more to -- that you can build them so I learned a lot of thick of things from Norman a lot of tools from rod and tools from Harlan and not habitable."

" So we know from your stories that you -- job where you also read and so what you're an interest in science fiction and Collins. I -- the card for comics puppy how to read. -- time efficient storage support and confidence going through different different school every six months. Capital between the cracks of the curriculum. And so -- comics -- how to read the top name mine moral center. Which is the Philippines say but also absolutely true. The back submit that. My effort to. And Miami Beach this note on my. My parents were not miss Paris world they would shut off my grandmother and my aunt and what -- comment that she would in the between -- low dot com. Keep me busy what was -- on its. And -- would come at my aunt and of -- fact that I'm this -- this. I was died. You wouldn't see me for days of freedom that far -- but the beginning yet read -- again absorbed the words. And that was so my first dalliance with -- learning that hope people make these things though writers writers. I haven't my my values. My morality authorised. Comes from comic books. When I was at. Comic -- Chicago number of years ago. I was in the viewers room and browser it's in the horse whose promise that the news this -- for."

" And rows of tables one and and I hear the most far end of the spot and spot a spot in the guy got a guy twenties. Comes running this way just the old stuff breakfast with them guys vote at first round perfectly Red Sea. Can do it and it comes in my direction -- them harder and like his -- out. And Meehan -- guy hold him you know for the for the cops. And the -- comes -- is. What what what you do that -- couldn't hurt you know as to the -- the kind of round you know got -- album art captured the U. And assistant coach Phillip organizers of the conference standings broke sending all -- happen. Below it a ten foot tall Superman cut out. How can I stand here by him."

" And nothing. You you have to just that's as those of the roles. I learn the rules from comics. So speaking of the rules you worked for you man which --"

" Even the president I'm -- behavior. Felt at the time you can't really do it. I John advocates are being half an hour commercial lines yes but odds are that a lot of people and organs well and grip on the present day. -- All. I think you think about it. Commerce and creativity. The people working on the -- think about the tension."

" But -- Nazi hunter and Nazi you know. Which is literally the U. Yet. Are being a toy store my friend the time aren't going to walk to work on the show and it was just seeing the purchases are the accuracy. And kids getting in their bomb thing. That area I knew where they would kill with one fight. Yeah. Yeah that was that it was a driven by a toy company who who -- but you can. As is that the problems in the on the good side that. And you can finally tell stories that are decent within the parameters of that -- you don't sell out in the process. And yet. Patrons of the art around for a long time networks of global network commission. By hopes that by kings and queens and rocks and bishops. A few races along the way. And so old that there was the patron involved. Offense -- to a certain point. It's when he gets in the way or out through take what I've done -- A draw lines of working on ghost busters. There was a point where at the first season of that show which was ABC's number one show. -- So we brought in. Experts. Child like politics. We didn't understand what happened to -- to."

" can argue with."

" And so that it bytes. -- make you mean the character goes to be. -- It left wrong -- nurturing."

" And then lose the point he glasses because children are right that sharp objects. Really it's that I. Stronger research on that."

" So professional and -- tortured and initially research and your data from your homework. And -- couldn't of course and then they said all the characters that have their own distinct roles in the show. So -- as the bombing."

" is the hands. Peter is the mouth. Gone is the brains. And Winston the black character is the driver."

" I think what tonight what's illegal and two -- Bart downtown south central. And you repeat -- is such -- And it lets you walk out of there alive I'll do it."

" That finally if you do these things I have to leave the show. Because it's it's if it's immoral it's wrong at all not popping joke -- wrong. I have very few role with I don't lie. And -- never reply. And they did it I walked and next season came out with -- other divers hands on it and it went in that way. And halfway through this if we're in trouble. -- back really says god help. -- also -- And they said you know can you come back and help us out. On one condition right that shows what I want. The characters as they were before. Period. And then junior -- summer electrical. Connector shows and they said yes. So person that -- with the so called them. -- you changed. Which starts off with her in the new lock. And you realize that's been falling prey prey to pressure people around her her own self doubt. And keeps changing form to a whole episode back for the debate and the finally cash used to be. Except -- herself -- she is rather than trying to make people happy. They were cast them out. But you know. I loved working -- that there is here's why I love working in television. Network but in this. Buttoned up no prior preparation for everybody in this room Iowa thing nine words. And like -- Lambert some people we ought to be in our case you've written a song. Others would join them. -- the whole audience will be thing. Amber's got applause at the end. To sit right back when you hear a case."

" Why it. -- get organized. But the fact that you know those lyrics. Most of you. It went afraid to now hear him out saying."

" Is is why you were the television but I can't remember how do it and and the -- mouth of the -- oracle kind square but I know that goes its own theme song backwards. 52 where's the professor and you know who Marianne versus you know in that -- yes. I -- my I arrest one of my favorite moments in novel climates here Maltese fascination duck Dodgers which."

" At the Catholic pop culture of buying hundreds of yours and it. -- gotta get out more."

" I'm wondering what form what aspects. Are popular culture today you think we'll be around when --"

" The stuff that the critical popular crap. When Mark Twain was was at the height of his skills. The critics. Adams as a -- didn't like him much there other writers around him -- it'd be much better literary writers but they've all gone the DOS and most of them are forgotten. But market lives on. Stephen King. Will be read a hundred years. Against your will that time but you'll --"

" And literary class. I think that that that which that would speaks to the human condition we are numbered and live on. That which has some element of truth to it will live -- Fiction is best when it reflects. First by the person crazy. Markets -- that we all contained within it the same fears and these hopes and ambitions -- love it as everyone else on the planet that you write something that is. Right for you. The odds are reflecting somebody else's lives. And that kind of fiction like entertainment the kind of media will live on that which is done. To be literary. Coach has done to -- writing groups happy -- critics tapping. That will fall by the wayside."

" And I want --"

" Not speaking about a long line. One thing that really impressed me at the time with the construction the aliens than previous science fiction shows each racing. A single personality Balkans worse were still act -- on the world like Richard represented multiple people from the same plan and the alien cultures have as much complexity is the human cultures. Someone if you could say little about the breakthrough that you made and thinking about. Aliens for balance --"

" I probably a mile at the cultures and that we all believe the same things and there's a reason we keep that Tennessee just stick our ourselves. That there would be disagreements among other cultures as well. That's the notion that they're all ones it is -- to establish -- which bought the -- have like a hive mind which is -- controlled from the top. Like the White House years ago. Which. That can happen on occasion. But -- get more intricate things happening if you treat them you know as as as in unique individuals than themselves. And in terms of creating those those cultures and races like -- law parts of myself. There's a lot of me in your car. There's more -- should be -- Publisher I was as good as the land but I. The public to Sheridan and I doubt this thou -- the hardest character to right. The human character were you mean lead hero -- can only do so much too intense round too far. That's always the hardest thing right. But the aliens I love right on I mean I could. I'm sleeping in -- for talking. Making him talk was an apartment -- shut up with our."

" So. I think with your car but -- the more -- you know so it is just a matter what you have to treat characters authentically. And Trent -- kind of realistic voice in doing so."

" At the crappy answer to your question that I got. Third down from sell itself. So and anyway. I want fibers out -- landmark in -- American television it's really set the stage for a lot that's happened cents. So some of the innovations -- structure so the use of an ensemble cast on science fiction. These -- dynamic development of characters. Change over time. The notion of serial the sort of story long season white story arcs and a buying season. Plan -- all the things all things that sort of are part of the structure. About -- signature sailed up the thinking that went into it pushing science fiction in that direction."

" I think I grew -- a fan. And I come to -- 50 came to the and what I was once say. And I love British television I love prisoner of Blake's seven tripod stand and -- That the British will give credit to their audience having attention span of more than you know half a minute. And we'll set up something a -- weeks later what do you think that to a plot to expansion and set up something and she's the one hit off the season five. We'll audience stick around and remember. Let let's let's just for a change based bank on the intelligence of the American audience. And let's start trees as a book so it's the first move west of the structure along once wrote a novel introduction rising after complications I'm accident -- That can -- season. And what's ahead that's structure in mind the rest -- it fell to itself. The other parts of the world again looking for innovative ways to make sure their traffic at a public fail. In doing this I wanna -- big number one and -- do all the stuff at once I wanted to do. Why shouldn't why if you wanna shoot it it would lot of TGI -- issue you know big and so characters trying -- in the fight for it stuff. So over the was rolling up all my opportunities into one basket because -- have another basket put it."

" Far one that that this idea of all right in line to set up news. Ones. Are you still -- do you bakeries. Network television -- fact that you've got canceled prematurely and come back. From -- The original plan. About. We have the show them this season Ortiz told. There always some reason and when you were with a network users would be. Some give and take from that because it was that in -- They trusted hot line. If you've got leaving buffalo. After a platoon of your real ever gotten. Whether it becomes the call in season two was the script came in. It's. There's -- scene -- Cards. -- white read this correctly."

" It. Since we got Warner Bros. That he's using his genitals."

" To achieve the cars. Yes."

" And there was real long pause it. Anderson you know a trusted. Well we're gonna do is. You pretend you didn't write it. An opportunity and read it."

" But. That was that was -- helped us -- which brought us. But because of the season for Litsch. -- Chunk of season five. Art is long the regular if you know -- Was I'd had enough shouted down. -- But they needed to lose to and we bought the -- close -- it was completed but not two."

" wanna hallmarks of the series here at 9200. Antenna sense of Avalon park. So what's the trade -- between individual authorship and collaboration working in television."

" There is when you have a staff working for you. There's more chance for innovation and people would take you up front with the Sox. And they keep your back on track -- at the actors for that there really good thing really suck. But. For me. Now while I was novel which had to be written as a novel. And after the first two seasons it became so interwoven. That I had a hard time pulling out. Different threats to say that -- a you do this part right -- this part is all became one of the tapestry. And so I'd -- the -- and write them all or mostly all and why did note the time was that this never been done before. For an hour show. There's a reason why -- know that. The possible. And running the show the same time so every day I was also editing. Prepping shows we -- making a TV series you are writing an episode covering the next shooting that the third episode. Posting the fourth episode -- with the purpose of all of the same time. And so that was my days in the Oklahoma just right by passed out. Like about for five years ago about the always put the day. I had not a great -- my head but this was two years now I happen. But. I would not do it again. Because it would kill me."

" But I would relive the experience because creatively it was a of them an amazing opportunity to have one it's one singular voice in charge of a show. That's if the best voice that's you know some elect Ron Moore Chris Carter anybody you know you anybody have done a better job than I did. But for me to enjoy the process. There are no carols. It was a it was a bit with the best creative experiences of my life."

" Somewhere along the same time you're doing all of that she managed to go on line in your face we -- fans yeah -- producers. To really use cyber you know use cyberspace to -- different relationship with the Koreans. So what did you learn from that process and would you do it again -- Yeah it was."

" Yeah there's -- I was on the net long before it was anybody. I was and that is the panel was hanging open in chat boards that message boards and and it. Small local 300 bought connections. Number 300 yeah."

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" GAAP 178 candidates -- that was home. It's I was there along with -- and doing the show and then -- got that one -- that will now what relative. As everyone else I knew who was the producers said uncle Y it's it's scary. That the army. It will as a fan myself. Nothing would have been more. Wonderful for me then to. Get an email from -- Or Ray Bradbury or our own -- Not that I am particularly those films pencil boxes but the theory there. And number one -- to have that discussion. -- wanna create a document which -- archive and in book form of a conversation. With fans about the making of a show because my sense is that. Unless you understand why things are done the way that they are done. You never have the opportunity or the chance to change it -- which you walked. I tried to open up a door. Not just to use it for publicity purposes which well law books to now for the -- here's what we did today here's why it happened this way of what went wrong. To trying again inform the audience about the making of a show from the inside because that again I would appreciate it -- Both my decisions are driven by this would be cool. That's as deep as I go. And that process was was often hard there -- there's stalkers that I got there was email bombs like -- approach it like a hard drive -- It was always you know like yeah. It was -- And the trek fans within the army Hamas."

" Newton there were days with them why the -- But no I made a promise -- our promises to to stay with this so -- with the stalkers in the house and let it's worth doing it to -- that conversation. And is a lock him -- I've spoken emails from fans were discovered shall for the first time on dvd. I respond to them. This scares --"

" Correct spelling."

" And I've I've told the story elsewhere. Actually -- now about dissolving it yourself with her but as an example of what's. That the show. Did there was -- email I got one -- from a gentleman who said. We're antebellum five and our daughter was very small. What was true was born troubles and problems. And -- For some reason we -- about 15 came on -- holder in my arms that you wouldn't be completely around. And she would actually watch the show. And she was quiet and -- I -- those moments with her when she was here to have that and she said you know she passed away analogue. And I didn't go down onto the Ramallah questions that a typical down into the room with room fire while it's. I hope the cushion my -- And it's healing for me. And when you realize if you touch someone's life like that. -- what what is there is a measure to that there there is no car alert that there is no judging their way that. That's the impact tells. And I can tell through pedestal when it and it -- that bond there. Another email from a woman who said you know hurt her brother have been dying of -- And he asked her to. Put tape together involves cars speeches. About not giving up hope. And he played him by his bedside in hospital. So want to know he he passed away last night to sarge cars sports. You cannot hear those stories and not be moved. And remember you know what all the ship all the spam all the Trojan viruses all the hate mail. It was worth it. Those two stories. At -- judge yourself that is if it's if the work in the impact. You have. I into the -- assist on Wednesday and writes beauty is truth the truth is Judy this is all in Illinois need to know. He's done for the day. You can knock off he just bought -- mortality and so it is the work in the reaction and television gives you the white its reaction possible. To know that their people around the world who have learned on cars a burst of principles. As we use a wedding there. And church -- and synagogue. Using speeches pagan prayers. Extraordinary. Story."

" Speaking church services I. Looking back -- a really good. Look looking back over your work getting ready for this I'm struck by just how often -- crop up not just in Babylon 5 and Jeremiah and Twilight Zone. You know number number shows you -- wrong and that is you know. Given -- history's kind of rational science congress religion usually it's were trapped and I wondered. If -- it speaks on to wipe -- your persistent interest and pay. And stories of -- in in the for shows that your rock."

" The first obligation has the story -- to be honest. To tell the truth that's what. James tiger's mom once told them preparing for a market and actors who said the job is plant your feet. -- And that's a writer's job as well and much as there's a lot about Hartford that I like notion that religion will -- 200 years hence -- foolish. -- with -- sense you know first story we're told run it campfire about the forces moving in the dark and there was this a thousand years. Knew when to come along replace all the delegates up there. If and when it happened that assumption that I have to have characters who believe one thing the other. And I don't necessarily I'm not a believer myself harmony is therefore -- equal opportunity offender. But. Clarity on this from the storytelling and those light show of faith. Can be equally good or bad and we had him or participate who -- decent guys. And bad guys. Most of the rugged -- the fact that that was them. So write ups in in Catholic papers about on. We have minister -- priest. Two won't -- a regular basis. And this happens a lot about -- but. To get as part of being honest and is it -- to -- lot of people. You know wisely is writing about this guys and honest way -- you you can't do the moment you don't you start putting up strongly and call today you're done. You have to be."

" I want opportunities Q you've expanded the story beyond the course series and to stand alone movies. Into the spin -- series like crusaders. You know today we're seeing this morning -- since Battlestar Galactica has been exploring. You know always about it you know launch news series after the end of the original is on moments on its own line sir -- say a little bit about. How you think about these extensions. Story and other. Other series -- the media."

" On one level it was a fun thing to do. We had the opportunity to do it and McCain to pick up the fifth season they said he wanted to -- movies that that your. In retrospect. I should have said no question about democracy. For the following reason."

" I set up to do you fight your story. And upon telling that story I said early on its fighters out. I just thought that. But there is allure and attraction. Working with people feel like -- had a great crew couldn't environment. And my own personal fear came out because I thought having done this what next. I ever built a reputation for being shot which are difficult. Pain in the ass of the word. And what if some of the army fell prey to the one -- always fought against an actor -- Let's stay in this universe as they in this box I think one move further. And that was the killing my part that was that was with a record conflict between the failure. To carefully. And the crusade. And while there was much to commend that show and there was this story we told them it's better stories -- the comment was still in the very rough. Nascent stage of development when -- people pull the plug for reasons do the show. But more to the demographics. I should not let them have learned from that in the aftermath and and it took it to took the last dvd. To really make me understand. -- or not a part of that fear. Because. As part that says or prove that it wasn't. A one off but I could do this. And the part that holds onto what is familiar. And I finished directing that direct to dvd. Movie. A -- that I Biden is added to what I've created or less attractive from that which -- created. That's attractive from. I shouldn't be doing that -- it. So I told it Warner's. Look I'm -- doing mortgages. Yeah at some point the future they want to about 15 masses feature film but massive budget put it back of the money truck. For -- and for the show. You know where we have a chance to give the show its proper due rather because that dvd was up like three million dollars which is you know not. We're can give the show with proper due respect. A considerate but I can't give the show that it's -- what it was those five years. I shouldn't be doing it I mean that reaffirm commitment that."

" Don't Jeremiah."

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" What am I gonna do -- at all. They are also went off the Michael found it ridiculous at all. Hopefully they're not awful. And hit."

" So anyway Jeremiah."

" Jeremiah asset and a post apocalyptic universe which means it's a somewhat different genre and for the space opera you worked with -- number one on. So if you thought about that project what was it you wanted to accomplish. In that space what. What kinds of stories that allow you to tell you. College honor. Then you couldn't own problem for. The best part about the --"

" Post apocalyptic fiction is that the -- the rules. And it reduces humanity down to. It's most fundamental elements. And we take a lot of that for granted I mean we all have -- the notion of property rights but there was a time when that was to -- was out which you can hold onto. Some was vigorous harmony that particularly from. And totally like us to a New Year's we have property rights that the real the important thing for the average person. And so the chance to. Peel back those rules committee is the most exciting part of that genre. Because -- can have fun with that and relatively reexamine the questions and to me right about the big question it's all about it why are we here where we're going in. When it's at all mean. We change for plan for 10 o'clock. So it's all about. Exploring new areas and for me that was in the where. That's why after change like. The first movie that I took on was to -- max brooks world war disease. Four on Brad Pitt's company. And have a director Marc Forster attached to it and I met with the guys Paramount -- said you know why why do you wanna. Does that change things -- Oscar. Worthy. Thing why what you wanna do don't. It's."

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" I I've I've seen -- my living dead at least a hundred times without exaggeration. On the dead almost as many of the dead heat time of that I've seen you know."

" All of them all the way through and I loved it there and I go with a -- ways to -- This -- we can be -- everything they took the drop down in your places don't do as mainstream Rodman's. So. I think it is -- the funny it. And to me both what it was fun armies lose one. How's that did. There's a book called that -- martian sunlight based on the campus -- it. The received on the Wisconsin Madison. Which with a chance can't go back in that period for me. And explore. The sixties. And lounge. There was a monster's obviously you know have in the Johnson. And I think -- I don't show -- a little pattern. Right he's trying to get me a straight line to do just Jewish congress we're just mainstream we're just historical stuff -- all over the -- The forbidden planet right now for Warner Bros. Just finished up in the assassin. Among captive drama right now there's -- project and talked about -- ticket that would sign about ultimate mystery drama. Other Klansmen to run our big science fiction franchise thing."

" So I'm I'm just I don't satellite like a moving target now. And is significant figure in one area for justice superhero movies. Everything we do one of those in a row we've covered it up enormously. You do it from over here and harsh -- over here we stayed the same level jump up I don't care. Lot of the money you know David King once said that if you write for the money -- monkey. If you write for the paid your book you -- because you love writing are still among."

" You write because it's not right to suicide. And that's like -- It's it's fun for me it's exciting that's -- live for a ten hours a day every day. And one I've taken to vacations -- twenty years. I'm I mean by the weekend to vacation and the first of those after. Kept power. And my wife at the time. Moved to London is that you're gonna is gonna go. They're gonna have a good time. And I got right. Boy that's it should know. So we went to London and within two days it was vibrating so badly from withdrawal. I -- to a pharmacist gals are about in the book in the --"

" I was in the bathroom at biography in my next novel. Let me -- there but when you -- in high school for reasons."

" I'll. Sell these. I I can't write it when things. And but to do that right so hard. Got -- should be -- Review those. Others that's what you wanna get it right after. These applicants used. To guys. Guy over here is the Arthur Murray dance school and you can see it -- one. It. Trying. And trying to right. Right. That is the goal that is the aspirations. When -- in that wasn't on them over there -- a lot this off. When I'm over there. There's a holding. And that's what you live for and -- ten hours today you -- two hours in the corner of the room the rest over there. But for those two hours you know it's worth -- sacrifice that's that's the best thing in the world. So clearly at some point to for your comment. Represented one of the places you wanted wanted to explore how how did you make that transition from doing TV com."

" They asked. I was working in some TV show whether her and these is that you are right a villain force when diamond that is when the ship or effort producing. And I liked reading comics I mean Thomas and putting on comics like it's been writing to -- and make it a gazillion dollars more about them. I like comics alike right enjoy reading. So again it's called off following on. And having grown up on comics and all seeing what the impact was on me as a young kid tickets at the morality and reading from congress but. There's an obligation to get back. So I trial was tackle issues of morality in my books in issues of controversy in issues of win 9/11 happened. Marvel are called and said we need someone in the marvel universe to address this. And Spiderman is logical choice of his New York native."

" Would you write an issue reports. It -- this and immediately put the fear failure thing came in and that that down because the whole world will be watching this one. Let's screw this up calmly get hammered. And -- I'm sure the words in the dictionary somewhere for about that story would be -- what order to put them in I have no idea. -- we meet today's I think about it. And then there removal. So I thought about two days in my side I just can't I don't know what that stories. And I was on the set and Jeremiah. And I just taking a break from shooting I was in the producers trailer let's go. And -- so. They. I thought -- trouble more time. And the words. There are no words. Came out. And suddenly this prose poem meditation happened. Which it in the style I've never written in force and by the way. And a wrote the whole thing in 45 minutes. And sent off tomorrow as -- who editing on the and they got published the black cover. And that issue has been. When the most important received marvel books you ever done. I -- still to this day from firemen from priests from. People who were there. What it meant to them. And how honest it was and that was not. Jingoistic it was a moral question than anything else why weren't we hear what were we paying attention to. And I inch. The chance to do that story alone is worth everything else. And try and do things subways are not expected. When Marla should you are right for. I -- sure why not -- character. Can be fun and 200 back -- we will do that. Or put as -- Oklahoma."

" Why. We could see it from a long way off line. But while one was that -- There was a time and in mythology. Win if you walked across the field somewhere. -- apology from across by hand or Hercules three of the number. Greek and Roman gods of the time. And I want to have that makes things. So that he could be working at this gas station in Oklahoma and runners enables. Our pitch in there. And the best part that was having. -- parties there for town meeting. When they're testing plumbing problems. And indoor plumbing which the new concept art. What they do you have got toilets there quickly over the walls. The gulf love it. But from the -- is not so much. So if again playing with -- contrast is in and doing what hasn't been done before. Because if you're doing what's been done before in competing all the guys -- before. He struck -- on your own and can't be judged against that work."

" So as I was asking around for questions to ask you I had a number of readers I never -- before my life. People sort of will be at all people asking whether rising star was an influence on -- before. 4400 or heroes and other people said supreme power was clearly derived from DC's goal and change. So those both sort of invite this question how much do walker has borrow from the genre tradition and weird as reason -- go to far. So for."

" On there was it. -- columnist who were comics fans correct me if I'm wrong with their point when DC that their personal moral character tomorrow delivers these characters. There was like this plot they arranged ahead of time. Didn't make supreme power happened in this -- well. Heroes was not -- situation. There is present stars. And heroes was it's a great deal like rising stars. There -- other terms that."

" But I will be -- 15 these these -- this thing."

" So this -- has only. -- starship as some of space station with a Beagle barring. Gambling areas of casinos. And trading that goes on really an ambassador's -- of a bitch. Same grandmother shows going on I -- The -- with the question."

" What. To some degree of -- we are all standing on the short of the giants -- some degree we all owe a debt to what proceeded us. Some more than others -- check. Michelangelo and said. That's."

" That artists borrow good artists deal. And it took a look at what the hell that meant. About artist takes with someone else did it imports that whole cloth sort of borrows it would understand it. And you be ready meetings that the come across this -- that far from over here they want the next part. A good artist feel this sense that you take what was over here and you more than yourself you make it part of yourself if permanent partners though. And it comes out in the new morphed kind of way that this is emblematic of yourself. So. There's not been you know science fiction story ever written about robots that you owe something to -- the field -- robotics. Nothing about spaces or something behind line. Much. There is -- whole lot -- and then there's awash. And I tried as much as possible to avoid theft. I've on the occasional monitoring there were a much institute Tolkien and balanced five Q often bastard and a -- his name the character. Many others I I try -- also said. Where I feel I leave my life behind him to use your view we knew I'd -- from off investor uses name to say you know I know witness came. To be honest about."

" Quite apart from stealing it can we talk about working for licensed characters so. You create a lot of original monetary -- written for characters like for war and Spiderman. What are what are the challenges of working and someone else's sandbox. Well you have an obligation when someone says to you. Here's this character who is a trust the bars and that are offered fifty years and don't screw up you have an obligation to protect character -- Until then handed back for the company as good -- condition that he was weavers got. -- their own characters as more freedom to experiment do different things to screw up more. Fiction done properly developing your character of the -- for rocks at them. And when it's a franchise character the rocks are very small."

" And they don't leave lasting marks. Pressure on try to cut off -- music."

" So that's probably the the biggest differences in my creative freedom. And to know that your working in and out on hollowed ground. -- We hope to --"

" If other bold man and it's well. Invisible man and -- talent."

" So. And you have to respect where you are and in the -- people -- duplicates here I'll put my fingerprints all over this review. Thought about your fingerprints it's about respect in the character and trying to find some corner but at the with the sport before that's cool. We will remake the characters because you can't. -- the respect goes before. You -- from a reader controversy over something that happened was fired on your room Spiderman not."

" So you who live chickens. No. What obligation as a writer you have to their readers of a longstanding series quite -- I challenge you not to use the words so that. Every time we -- bumper charity."

" So."

" This further than that were controversial. Where tend to be things where I tried. Again to find new areas who had few differences so it was like that that the totem Africa's parliament that those that I've got. But they at a perfect but it is is that guy that is bills. The alternate to have animal with a proposed -- you the rhino the -- the vultures of the ten crap it is it that he. It went up at the muscle now it went on --"

" But the pearl invited him. It was it was. This is this is on a higher animal -- percentage of any of the character that I'm aware of there might be something here explore in terms of why then why it. And during -- I -- the point though never Peter buy into it at no point does he say yes you're right it's all about you know -- coming off where. He being irrational character would never go there we never quite buys into which is my. License to get out now I can posit that all I want those around him deposited all they want but because he is who he is. Yes Leo that's great interest in budget feel that way but. I don't really. So and the one more day thing. My mind and run on Spiderman was not story that was Joe's story and I respect that -- tell that story. I can't believe that the superhero with -- the double -- just doesn't work for me. But it's not my call when you're working on established character for major company to some degree you are higher end. We're hired gun. And so I did but I was asked to do and then left the book."

" So. If you bereft of it now."

" Looking forward to an act on your opera and I there for a -- civilians. Three yes could you know when. But it that much better right over them so can you tell us older about the thinking that led to -- while. You're bringing vintage World War II style for Paul protagonists in Q. Contemporary culture what what -- what are you wanting to explore issues job. --"

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" Rock band. Rock -- with power like a rock. But but but again it's Jeff Hathaway in. If the -- With this paper rated. There was the -- given he came from this land far beneath here. And was separated with people and now here somewhere and fighting the good fight. Let's keep our respect and I -- that art in the book at the artists. When you -- panel struck me just this way -- see him right back titles. Scenic route -- in fees and coming out of the kingdom. Await an issue or -- down the road. And I told the real story. Which that this guy. Back that it Davis put in this. An animation elect sixty years with Bill Clinton does from 1940 approximately one. And he was a minor. -- which. And he was down there are taking in the -- organized union and they were opposed to it. There was you know try to kill him -- organizer. Acts that happened they blew up and coal mine collapse including. The houses about it. Killing them. And shock that this was so horrific him he -- And create this whole fantasy world around so we talked to a trying to find people. Buying princess. It. It turns. Turns diamond -- of different side of it do you take -- this -- all of a character. In making that it feel sympathy. That's the fun -- it. I think that's who -- the kind of -- has the chance that my hands in the air. And pull out the stone Hussein we will look at it this way about this way but. Now. While human what can you tell us about linesman about. What's motivating return Anthony's been science fiction stories right I love it. I -- it. Again but that's like -- of the all time. The beauty -- no grade on the and I thought of a cool way to approach that story again that was done before so I'm playing with that lens. The rate classic science fiction and then on the scale it you really couldn't do. Twenty years ago so that as an example one. Hey don't count when this."

" Imagine if you will."

" Two ships. Big hopefully that ownership -- we hear more we hear fighting out that the space. Two ships locked out gravity means circling like scorpions in a bottle. From one ship outcomes the boarding party. Partnership comes departed the fight them back. They have hand to hand combat these two ships fighting out the middle politically. --"

" I mean that to see that on the screens -- pretty cool."

" All right we'll start over here."

" Computer graphics and one of the whole big show. One big part to show with music by Chris frank. It really gave the show debt that is and it didn't match later -- How much do you like to get involved in that how much you think it's important to you work to select backed up and say greatly. Doing all these graphics in get a different music artists how much does that aspect -- yeah."

" Huge I loved music -- the music so far corner -- a -- the process first script comes along. -- Christians say this talent they can about the tone of it. My line with always this is opera I think this has been on the opera. And there you go away and semi tracks and tell them play against the -- right. And there are moments when in the final mix -- in there again. And Anderson in and -- Adjusting the music and I said to be separate tracks percussion here you know and instruments here that you write them up and down got big battles going on we have. -- going on. Through part of it all the precautions now we have this in time effect of the ships fighting. Replacing percussion or serving the purpose of precaution hubris the music going -- routed. Or you pick all the question out all the all of warfare fighting out and just play music so I'm I'm always playing all the -- for the music if -- go along. With I'm I'm very much about the part I loved that part. Chris it there there's a series that might be doing down the road as well I do that series -- we'll definitely."

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" These poor dog. Thought what if like your shirt lies ahead. But again I'm just like to thank yeah I grew up on the issues nineteen."

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" Think I at a younger age I -- grew up to five years old. Art and and to me and and and now I'm a professional writers. And -- older X a lot of op so I -- I -- thank -- enacted that did -- shape a lot of the way out that I think can write to start. I have with therapy and slowly recovering to what -- what woody right. What's that but he -- I'm I'm currently freelance writer for why some stuff the rope line. That's -- particular. I'm -- to teach. So I guess on my question involved -- love what I'm doing right now but to continue else at once we into my own stuff. And I would just let any advice on that."

" Gulfport add to the moment -- it's not. There but there are guys who Lebanese coast to hate the weathering the climate in my neighborhood sucks my job -- Also what else happened. Just do it if you're a point where you think you can do it do it and in it and you'll never think you're wrap -- what what you decide to do it now. Stepping away from your job following her heart to the hardest thing to do. But you really believe hard enough and have the skill to back it up he can do tomorrow. It sets it up on call is when you look in your heart and Sam would take that chance of failing."

" Thank -- Hermosillo kill your character if you're game with me."

" Everything is this this throws very small that was huge. I was looking more the way back."

" It's easy prepare yourself for failure. Do you prepare yourself for controversy I mean you can controversy really well during the discussion is -- season and holly is relationship and Babylon 5 units really elegant eloquent statements rather. About the nature of storytelling in telling your character stories that are there any controversies that arise out of your work its price you're hard to address."

" It is becoming. I -- I just know -- controversy I've prepared myself for. And you're happy -- that. Analyzes the point right. So. Only can do to herself as -- in the hardest part was. The surprise to me really. Win audio left chose to leave the show that person fired. I have -- bowel -- five -- All the way. To watch it department or to art. -- And I got death threats blockers if I got this threat. Two years but said their -- oh and by the way I quit. Where you two years. So that having I was prepared. But. That Asia it's a -- frequently note I think --"

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" The same way that old practice -- that in the sixties Babylon 5 set in the -- just to give one example there's this you know."

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" So my question is."

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" I completely which -- about leading to which scares you and I just wanted to know what was your motivation for the original idea for making the lynch and tender and why do you think that has been so lacking in terms of -- trails transient characters. On television and in films and we just not there yet lower. Are we."

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" And walks off. I realize I have no idea what that means."

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