Title: Here and Now for Monday, September 28, 2009

" I'm running young it's here and now and as predicted a second wave of swine flu is beginning to hit and as predicted young people are bearing the brunt of it. A college student from Massachusetts died Saturday at Miami university in Ohio. After a three week about with the H1N1 virus the Saint Louis teenager died last week -- an eleven year old from South Carolina. Her school is closed after nearly a third of the student body showed symptoms. Health officials hope to vaccinated more than half the population against swine flu in the coming months and they launched an unprecedented effort to track for side effects of the vaccine but. Meanwhile several hospitals in the south are seeing so many sick kids comment they've pitched tents in the parking lot. That's what's happening at -- children's medical center in Memphis Tennessee doctor berry Gillmor is director of emergency services there. Happy Gilmore get a sense of what's happening do you have mines in how many people do you have that are more than normal."

" Well we're seeing almost doubled the population that we normally see each day come again typically. A 16280. We're seeing 300 to about 470 was our top 24 hour prior."

" Then be lines do."

" Well it it really did fill up our our space it was a real challenge to kind of place for everybody says."

" Well and day you announce at this tent up outside. What are you doing there how do you know. Whether child dissent homer stays."

" Well that's good question we we met with both are in Texas. Disease specialist and utilized this PD -- recommendations to develop the screening process. For patients have a certain age with certain symptoms. And basically what we're doing is screening out the very very low risk patients."

" Well is part of your screening are you testing for swine flu."

" We're we're not routinely testing for swine flu to. Any longer we stop that. Probably about three weeks ago."

" We -- there was a change in policy that also came down from the CDC. But but why is that what we finding."

" Well what we found first -- that the majority patients coming in with symptoms when we -- screen them. Were eventually positive we do the screen and it may be it may say positive or negative what we found was. Numbers of patients to were initially screen is negative we did follow up testing. The vast majority of them were positive for four in into a so after a point it was. No longer necessary. Discrete everybody who was coming yet because. It looks like that if they have the symptoms in most likely have. The flat line that was pretty much all that we were testing was it was influenza a that's what was hot under the assumption was that that is what they have."

" So is beta tested positive for swine flu or -- they tested negative they they soon showed up with swine flu. And so how do you know which of those children that have swine flu. Go home and we -- hospital."

" Most of the children are are able to go home over 80% of the children that we screen in in our. Screening can't are able to go home which is simple instructions on care. And and we actually do follow what we call them in in one to two -- just make sure that they're still doing okay. There are children now that need to be admitted to the hospital or need to be seen in the emergency department and these are children either that are high risk."

" Meaning they have underline problems like. As your logic problems cardiac problems things like that. Or that they are -- appear maybe they've developed secondary. Illness like an ammonia which is. Concerning."

" Where it and what we want parents to do I'm sure hearing this and I've been thinking I'm not sure -- wanna bring my child. To hospital emergency room if it's filled with others sick children. And you just gonna send me home anyway. What's that care."

" What to care for fourth routine flu which is pretty much what we're dealing with. Is -- is something that I think all the parents are familiar with it a lot -- liquid Tylenol for your fever. A lot of PLC. And just watching toward the development. Worsening symptoms so they developed difficulty breathing. They have -- that they just cannot reduced or to them their child behavior is just not normal and not improve its."

" used in one of the reasons it's so tough for children is that they don't have. Protection against the swine flu virus while their parents might have cells that have as someone -- in the Boston Globe today. They carry the memory of encounters with ancestors of the virus so they can. Better fight it -- well. Looking ahead you have lines outside the door officials at. Texas Children's Hospital in Houston and also open -- the screening ten to screen people before they get to the emergency room because they have so many. And this is just the start."

" Well that is true we don't know what. What the peak will be we don't know how long the last. We have been anticipating yet we've been watching it all you know all through December or even. Last spring. But they correct you are correct we don't now how long and how high it'll be and how extensive little people were expecting. The number to continue."

" Do you think potential do."

" Well we have we will do whatever it takes in order to to take care of the children so. If once inside enough we'll put up another one but are -- it's pretty big it's 2500 square feet -- decide -- the small about how."

" And a sector very Gilmore director of emergency services at the Bonner children's medical center in Memphis Tennessee -- thank you so much here."

" And a snap."

" Care reform debate may be entering it's last laps this week. Last week in a Senate Finance Committee meeting Republican senator Jon Kyle of Arizona defended his proposal for an amendment. It would prohibit the federal government from defining their health benefits that insurers must offer. And that led to this exchange of maternity care."

" I don't need maternity care. And so requiring that to be in my insurance policy is something that I don't need to know make the policy more expensive."

" If I can just hit get Clinton Mack Cali I think your mom probably dead but."

" Well the committee ultimately rejected house amendment and that go around gets to the heart of the question. Of a maternity care for women should insurers be required to offer it. -- in general YR three and five women unable to pay their medical bills Larrimore women and men uninsured or underinsured. More than half of women have -- necessary care because of constant compared with 39% of men. Women use more health care when they're younger partly because of the reproductive needs. And pregnant women looking for new policy can legally be rejected by companies. She lacks in his vice president of health and reproductive rights at the national women's law center -- is take a look at women in healthcare Judy first explain. Why are women more on interest and in."

" Most of us in this country get insurance through apparently here. And women are more likely to work for small business or work part time. Or even not work -- so therefore. More men have -- choose their insurance. Through their own job. And women often do you get coverage through their spouse's employment but because we -- Basically built on an employer based system. Women lined up going without coverage."

" Well you mentioned at the -- thinking in the past probably -- as well women aren't gonna get their coverage through their husband but. More and more women are single are divorced so that doesn't hold anymore."

" You have to and also companies are sometimes reluctant to take on the expense of dependent care. And women of course make less money overall open men so that makes -- harder -- for them to pay their share even if they are offer coverage."

" There's still about 78 cents for every dollar that men earn. Rule we said that women and a half of women have foregone necessary care because of cost and that would be what not filling a prescription."

" It's a whole variety of -- is not going to the doctor when really defendant didn't indicate that one should go to the doctor. It may be skipping medications are not filling a prescription. It's -- for going certain half because coverage didn't actually cover that it's a whole variety of issues."

" And women are charged different rates than men mrs. The medical version of the dry clean her and McCain are serious. And -- and is it legal."

" It it actually is illegal that insurance companies can decide how much they wanna charge anybody for health insurance. So what many. Companies still -- most stuff around the country. Do charge women more than men we did a study of women and men who buy insurance on the I don't. Through an employer through what we called the individual. Insurance market. And we found at bat. Kilogram age fifty cot it's. Women are charged significantly. More than men in this extra plans that do not include maternity care by the way. Women are charged up to one and a half times what men are charged and that around age fifty got it starts to even -- And then Manning maybe get charged more -- of course we all get on Medicare -- 65 -- wheel stayed the same at that point."

" to some of the industry response to some of these things they say. They have to charge -- more because as we say they used the system or for the reproductive needs even if they're not having children. Something else that they say this is a quote from anthem blue cross they're based in Indiana and their spokesperson told the San Francisco chronicle. The point of insurance is to ensure against catastrophic care costs things like heart attacks and cancer. Having a child as a matter of choice. Dealing with a adult onset illness like diabetes heart disease that's not a matter to --"

" I have a couple of responses. First of all I. Do you not agree with the apartment that insurance is just to cover catastrophic. Illnesses. Even -- a thing as a good detected doctor for the year or two year Jack Cust Ers fell for a wild child is covered by most insurance plans now. Coverage for drugs whether they are catastrophic or not catastrophic are covered by insurance companies."

" Two insurance companies cover Viagra. It. And it seems to you know put the catastrophic care being snide but go on."

" The other thing I -- it's gonna say is that of course have to pregnancies in this country are not planned. And just because someone gets pregnant. I think that it hadn't really planned for it doesn't mean they should not get prenatal care on -- and their insurance policy. And thirdly I would posit that the cost some maternity care really should be shared both. I -- the woman and a man because the man also cares about happening -- healthy baby at the end of the day. And it seems kinda crazy that maternity care coverage it's only charge on the --"

" So you're looking for more coverage and men paying in as well but we just mentioned that insurance executive who said there should be less coverage that. Having a child as a matter of choice and and their for a pregnancy should be covered to remind us what's legal."

" Forget this. That -- ensuring that have more than fifteen employees. If they provide coverage. There's a federal law that says that must conclude maternity care. But for small businesses and for people who buy coverage on the individual market. Whether maternity. Benefits are part of the plan or not is entirely up to the insurance company."

" So if you're getting an individual policy. It's legal for the companies to say they will not cover your maternity --"

" Yet -- in fact of the study read trip last year on individual policies we found that only about 12%. Easily cover maternity care in the."

" Judy Waxman vice president of health and reproductive rights of the national women's law center as the Senate Finance Committee chaired by Democrat Max Baucus. Is expected to vote on the public option portion of their bill this week women's groups are saying. What about us when we come back more pitfalls for women for instance you can get maternity care but surprise. It may not cover a C section Fuji recover how to beat the fine print. Later in the program today putting streams and rivers -- their original course that's later back in a minute here now."

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" Welcome back to our look at women in health care coverage studio Waxman is vice president of health and reproductive rights. At the national in his last centres he's been helping us along here explaining that. -- how maternity benefits are covered for instance group plans legally have to provide maternity benefits that small businesses don't and in the individual market insurance companies don't have to cover maternity benefits so. -- whether the woman doesn't have insurance at all and she's already pregnant or has been in has had a caesarean section how would that impact."

" If you are already pregnant and do not have. Health insurance you can't get it because it's considered a preexisting condition and other weren't. The insurance company knows you're an immediate health care. So therefore. They have the right not to give you the policy. If you had to sit -- and and and you're trying to buy insurance on your. Then maybe it -- Well there's a likelihood. That. You're gonna have another child and another assist failing him so we also -- they're not going to cover you or we year. Going to charge you a lot more for the plan because you're gonna have more medical expenses."

" It is through money the contract that I signed years ago in -- television company that's that I couldn't get pregnant or otherwise disfigured. There's that but. It also has led to pregnant women being preyed upon the nation writes about fraudulent -- companies. They claim to offer services to pregnant women one called affordable health care options who sued by the Texas office of the attorney general in 2008. They sold the maternity card that they claim offer maternity services like doctors' visits but it didn't. What else can happen to me this seems like there it's a pretty desperate time for women."

" It is we heard from a woman who had planned her pregnancy. Had insurance and then made sure that she had maternity care of people -- she'd tried to get pregnant. Became pregnant and unfortunately had a cesarean section and then -- realized. That her maternity coverage was 42000. Dollars. Period. She did not realize that she was gonna have to pay 20000 dollars out of her own pocket. For the circuit since she got while pregnant and we're delivery when she even had to ensure."

" Well and that's -- it may have in his heart that was been able to do that."

" She admits she was able to do it but of course. And many people can't I'm still should change it have to achieve planned that happens and it paid the premiums."

" And just raise the question to. If women can't if they're not her position -- suddenly draining all the assets to pay for their pregnancy that would put them on Medicaid. Which is for poor people. -- in about 40% of births are covered through Medicaid. But but this at putting the payment for berths. On the general public and out of the insurance business."

" While it is -- also one wonders if the mom is gonna be evidence stay healthy and want she had the babies but. Really the way to topple this is to make sure everybody has comprehensive affordable health care."

" Let's go to abortion Medicaid doesn't cover it except in cases of rape incest. Well woman's life being in danger and President Obama has said that nothing would change in his proposal for a new public plan. In addition to Medicaid. And then there's private insurance interesting you found only 12% of individual plans cover pregnancies you told us but. 87%. Of private individual plans cover abortion."

" Most health plans in the country currently do cover a portion that medical procedure. And the vast majority of plans cost for it like every other service. And ideally we would like to city and national plan to do the same thing that's."

" Cool can you see the concern that -- me go back to hearing from. An insurance company. That insurance is not about. I think that things that might be a matter of choice insurance is about trying to protect against catastrophes."

" Well I really disagree with that insurance is about covering the medical needs of people. And a medically necessary service should be covered now -- well at this there is they compromise. Being discussed. In the health reform debate right now. And the point of the compromise is to say let's do health reform but let's leave abortion discussion for another day. Let's just keep everything the status quo. To let insurance companies covered if they do already not coverage if they don't already. And to be sure that women who have this coverage we'll have an option to be able to keep that in the future."

" What other situations that you seem. Create obstacles to winning getting health care."

" I talked to a woman yesterday. Who. Was based survivor they both domestic violence her ex husband. Actually the but really terrible strangled her she was unconscious she had a concussion. And -- she submitted -- tilts to the insurance company. They told her that they would not pay for it because. This was the product of a crime. And not something that was medical. Bench at some point she tried to get new coverage and they told -- that because she had these medical conditions. Due to the crime against her she was not ensure appalled by them."

" because they would consider preexisting condition. We'll forcible and give us more across country look is that legal."

" It is still legal to do that in eight states and the District of Columbia they have no prohibition. In the law. That would prevent an insurance company from taking a look at the woman's history and deciding they didn't want to ensure her because. She either want to pick them -- domestic violence that one time and might be again or had medical. Conditions because of bad experience."

" Another thing you point to that not -- plans cover contraception. What else would you want women to know to be smart about."

" Women and should do realize that don't actually need to have coverage. And that when they seek to get coverage. They should be looking at the fine print. To make sure that the plan that anybody is actually gonna cover the needs they have."

" Thanks Judy Waxman vice president of health and reproductive rights at the national women's law center. Judy thanks so much for speaking. Okay tomorrow turf battles between cops and the FBI in terrorism investigations that's tomorrow. News is next here now."

" Let's set the table for the week ahead during which he Obama demonstration may face some key test. On -- US and Iranian officials hold their first face to face talks in thirty years on Iran's nuclear program. Today Iran announced it has tested long range missiles that can reach Israel US bases in the Middle East and parts of Europe. And last week Iran of course reveal that secret underground nuclear facility that as it turns out the US and its allies have been keeping an eye on for years. Also in Washington this week Senate Committees finish marking up their health care bills and last but not least. President Obama is taking time for his adopted hometown of Chicago. -- Smith is columnist for politico dot com and start the -- The talks will be in Geneva on Thursday. Which the US hoping to get out of them."

" Well the hope which seems -- is that the rent can be pressured into. In some sense freezing its nuclear programmer with the Americans are saying is that they want concrete deliverables that don't want they want Iran to. Actually take action and at least stop expanding its nuclear program for starters and very quickly moved toward shutting down."

" Iran has invited inspectors to this. Now not -- secret facility."

" Yes and the US is."

" It is pushing for very aggressive inspection."

" How is the fact that Russia has now said it's open to sanctions for Iran helped the Obama administration. Russia has traditionally balked at punishing Iran."

" Well the Obama administration is trying to create this sense particularly in the minds of Iranians out of that about the united front and they got the Russian president last week to make kind of friendly noises about things and -- didn't exactly embracing them but he said that there were situations in which they could be appropriate it was a big step forward from. A really hot alliance's foreign minister -- protections before."

" Let's move to health care reform in the Senate Finance Committee will begin two weeks of marking of the legislation that essentially means going over amendment. It was senator Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia is one who's pushing still for a public Medicare type insurance plan for those who can't afford insurance. Polls show most Americans also want it so why he's they're still question in debate about whether or not to get."

" If that's that the polls show that I think polls show that most Americans have no idea what you mean it's public option that depending on how you ask the question. Vast majority that there lover KP it. -- To get sixty votes to produce something that possible abuse of man can vote for."

" And -- she's been the most courted. As senator in Washington in the last week or so what else is gonna be on the agenda in the healthcare debate."

" A lot of interest for their own reasons there -- very heavily on the public option which. The public but the red in the last portray is as the dawning of socialism. When in fact as proposed in the actual plant that much terrorists and those cover very narrow category of workers would. Have a perfectly large impact on the actual provision of health care and the Congressional Budget Office when it was trying to figure it must've spilled and it cost. Actually wrote that it didn't think the public option would have enough -- impacts to bother figuring out costs that. I think it's been blown out of proportion to some degree. Meanwhile there are other land mines buried throughout development there's kind of roiling debate over debate over abortion has always -- on the question of whether government. Substance plants will provide it. -- that that represents a huge expansion of government funded abortion which is what the antiabortion side. There is discussion as to what degree the -- and be comfortable tinkering with Medicare that the existing program for the elderly. And -- how big an expansion Medicaid the program for the port that it."

" Well we're here at all unfold in the coming weeks finally President Obama is going to Copenhagen. And this week to lobby for Chicago's 36 summer Olympic figure thoughts."

" There -- actually pretty big deal that killed the first American president ever again personally lobbied for for US city. And he's putting its prestige on the line you know this is a minute I think it'll be seen if he gets that episode affirmation -- that America's back in the world embracing President Obama. If he doesn't get it it's going to be a reminder of the limits of his charisma. In both cases have been unfairly because in fact the international committee of the strange little -- and make decisions based on. Whether it's that Americans turned to some degree that they've -- is to put a lot of presidential -- on."

" Some say is on she's going take Oprah and Michael Jordan and Scott Simon another native son. And could put it over idiots if it's Ben Smith of politico dot com talking about the week ahead then thanks so much. He just ahead how -- scientists are taking Kentucky streams. Her back to the future will explain in thirty seconds here and now."

" Welcome back in the early days of agricultural America pioneer farmers. Would -- streams all over the country to irrigate crops and provide wonderful life stack. The result wasn't always beneficial for the wildlife that depend on these fragile lottery ecosystems and it didn't always -- the quality of drinking water for humans. Well now engineers are trying to clean up some of these waterways by. Returning them to their original pants Harry Goldstein from I Tripoli spectrum magazine waiting to a stream near LaGrange Kentucky. Where researchers are using tiny technologies today gained big insights into streams and rivers."

" Is that could actually clarion which is that."

" It's all. He. Actually it's also. Available. I believe that the native Americans say them I'm not sure they're all that -- we're standing in the stream called the south fork of Curry's work. The water gurgling around our boots. Eventually feeds -- four which empties into the salt river and ultimately the Ohio River fifty miles to the southwest. My guide his art corolla. A civil engineering professor at the university of global. And director of the stream institute. He's not entirely sure what kind of muscle we're tracking back into the water but it could be when it Kentucky's twenty endangered species of muscle. With exotic names like orange foot -- back. Room Toronto and fat pocketbook. Just like frogs fish and waterfowl freshwater mussels depend on clean water to throw."

" But the Floyd's -- system which is a tributary to has some endangered mussels and and there are sensitive actually to the supply this fine material that can clog up there. The system used to be in every. Some of them actually float they when they feel like there's something going on bill. Somehow they they may care or something like that -- float down the channel."

" The muscles aren't the only ones who feel something going on. Parole and his colleagues worry that these little waterways are depositing sentiments into larger rivers. And that fertilizer chemicals such as phosphorous or between her -- The problem heads of banks of streams that claim yours dugout 200 years ago are eroding. Loosening find -- that eventually winds up in major rivers like the murky brown Ohio. But the most obvious impact of this process can be seen right here -- the food chain of this wetland begins. With the bugs."

" But you can see probably when I'm walking around here they just with the -- around a little bit there's always find stuff in between in between the ground skills might. Being produced. It and what we'd like is the gravel can be loosely packed so that the water can flow you know underneath and around the ground now let's a lot of in sick -- that would like to have your lives in these travels. To exist. If it gets clogged up in these animals can't exist in these reforms."

" To reduce the amount of fine -- sediment and ensure that this wetland habitat flourishes. Perot and his team are in the first stages of undoing the handiwork of centuries past. Over the next several months they will bulldoze the land surrounding the streams down to about a foot above the current water level. The stream will spread out allowing it to filter sentiments in exchange nutrients with the surrounding vegetation. But first they need to understand how the stream closed now and what kind of sentiments are in the water."

" We need to know is is what those dynamics. Of the stream system or the house groundwater fluctuating house of surface water fluctuating. Over time. To help -- read the stream. Value -- professor Cindy Hartnett is pitching in with a low cost wireless sensor systems that she and her students are developing. Her net system is basically a stack of wireless sensors housed in three foot long PVC pipes you can find at the hardware store. The pipe is placed in the water and the sensors inside collect data about chemicals water flow rates intermittently better known as murkiness. In transmitted wirelessly to a low cost computer but shall plant about fifty feet away. The computer runs on a processor found in Smartphones. In its package with the battery and a water tight hard plastic case. Most of the system uses off the shelf parts."

" it and really like to do is take the design down the web so they each -- build these friends commonly available parts media have to buy a day tip. That you can assemble the housing and stuff. The reason you would wanna make it widely available suffers like farmers to in the long term goal of mine is seated. It just regular citizen is maybe starting with some of the people later a little Tiki they would pick -- stations in their backyard. And get people -- you can -- seeking their environment by measuring water conditions in their -- if they had extremists are well. And if they can upload that -- to hear a global database that scientists and schoolchildren anybody's interested. He used and -- trust that data. Leave it -- can seemingly in my dreams."

" Each person that is now the following her first few center field heights to monitor the south fork of -- for. Even if you put the first one bit. Of her students are developing sensors to detect chemical vapors particularly oxygen. Department's lab nano engineers are tailoring instruments for their civil and fair -- if they didn't start out with the multi."

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" We can feed catalyst through three now using. Committee planning three times it sounds complicated but the concept is pretty simple first. Part nets team makes baptism narrative. To wonder cliches carbon molecules. About one of 50000. The whiff of a human here. These are filled with analysts. In a raid on it could have. -- connected to some miniscule -- for a chemical flows through the pipes and into the narrative. It will react with the catalyst. That interaction."

" We'll produce an electrical signal which will be processed by computer. For using it first of -- catalyst solution through -- getting thousands of that million -- catalyst iron nano particles all of this channel. Mainly using it contains chemical vapor deposition high temperature. It will take."

" Years to understand the impact of the street institute's efforts to restore the south fork of -- But -- its dream comes true. Entrusted citizens could soon start collecting and sharing data to help hydrologist. Environmentalists. And engineers figure out ways to make river systems cleaner more hospitable habitat for all the creatures that depend on them."

" Support for here and now comes in part from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation dedicated to the idea that all people deserve the chance to live a healthy productive life. Information gates foundation dot org."

" Welcome back. Google sports conspiracy theories and you get more than three million results. Well a new book collects some of the most enduring it's called. The thirty greatest sports conspiracy theories of all time ranking sport's most notorious fixed his cover -- and scandals. Among them did the New England Patriots cheat their way to a Super Bowl dynasty. -- just -- half of the country shout back yes. Or what about that home run cal Ripken hit in his final All-Star game. People wondering wasn't just a little too good to be from the book is co written by -- Kolb and mark Weinstein and mark joins us from NPR New York. Mark and to start and this is risky business trying to settle once and for all some of these arguments and these aren't just your opinions so are you sure you're right."

" Well that's that's the beauty of the ranking system each conspiracy theory is ranked from one to five Lee Harvey Oswald's. Child one indicating that it's unlikely and it's a conspiracy and five indicating definite evidence supporting the conspiracy."

" And then it of course Lee Harvey Oswald and conspiracy theories about the assassination of John F. Kennedy very serious business. But also in the case of sports conspiracies similar going to be a lot easier to prove or disprove. And they're much more trivial for the most part sure well -- isn't once pretty serious it's the conspiracy theory that gets five Oswald. It's the one involving baseball's color line. And why Jackie Robinson didn't break it until 1947. So five -- the ultimate in believability why."

" The basic reason is because the commissioner base but the time Kana summit on Landis. He made no bones about is them racism and he and many of the owners really were not interested in integration for many reasons. The first was that the owners feared losing a revenue stream because many of them rented out their ballparks to Negro League teams. Second of all the white baseball players many of them. Feared losing their jobs to better black ballplayers then there was the the influence of the Ku Klux Klan in America."

" But in order to be conspiracy it can't just be people feel a certain -- sort of have to prove that they said it that they talk to each other about it that it was. More acted upon and just kind of vague unease about race away what -- it backs."

" Facts -- that there was an unwritten agreement that whenever lenders will be asked about the policy. He would say that there was no policy prohibiting blacks from baseball and any owner and any time could sign any black player. But they never did."

" Well let's move on to boxing which would seem ripe for these theories. You your book says there's good reason to believe the second fight between senators in the Mohammed Ali was fixed this -- 65 in Lewiston Maine. Here's some sound -- from that fight while we digest that thought."

" Okay. Okay."

" I was a so called phantom punch -- that. Ali only through two punches in the entire fight the fight was over early in the first round the phantom punch did not appear on replay -- actually hit list and Ali said it was so fast you couldn't see on camera but they always legitimate evidence linking. -- list and -- the mafia."

" Wilkinson Aniston you know -- have pretended he was hit by a punch and thrown the slate. Without. Mohammed Ali was and called Cassius clay. Knowing that that the fight was being thrown."

" Not of the many accounts of the fight. Have ever suggested that I Lee was in on it most of them have focused their attention on list and and his reasons for possibly throwing the site. One theory was his connection with the -- another theory was that militant black Muslims had threatened -- life."

" What about cal Ripken's home run in the 2001 baseball All-Star game. There's a theory a conspiracy theories -- allowed to have a home run. In that at -- with that would have meant that the of a pitcher at the would have had to do given that pets the pitch."

" Was thrown by a Korean born player name Chan Ho Park right over the middle Ripken sent out of the park it was is great moment. Heroin in he was named MVP of the game it was his wonderful sendoff moment for -- legendary player in this is the same year. That Barry Bonds hit his 73 home runs and it was kind of like the pinnacle of what we now call the steroids era but the next day. Sports Radio columnists. The kind of question did they all thought it's it seemed a little fishy single bid to storybook. And -- because of the pitch now there are many reasons why. It probably wasn't. A gimme being the first Korean born All-Star. It's unlikely that. Clark would just kind of give one up for Ripken conspiracy theories have speculated that he was told to do it. By the commissioner so that predicament had this glorious moment. And people would be less suspicious of these bulging biceps walking around outfield."

" And so as you say this became the subject of talk radio in all sorts of you know deep conversations about conspiracy theories. As the other stories in the book did which. Raises a question. Have you had anyone mark -- you. Get a life he fits in its first and speed and I'm neo figuring out what really happened what's really true. I hear the passion in your voice when you know you knew you'd tell us the story that your findings are thinking what can I just accepted on face value."

" Well that's the nature of sports -- mean people are very passionate about these things. And as a sports fan I am too and I made a career at a sports because of this passion and a half four and so while I do understand it when someone says hey get a life. I say this is my life."

" This is my life right or they had to say that marked to preface the last conspiracy were gonna ask you about the president to do. -- the New England Patriots. And recognition data you say to conspiracy theories and month. Did the New England Patriots with an assist from the NFL cheat their way to a dynasty to conspiracies. -- the tuck rule conspiracy. Was that the -- overturn a call there was fumble at the end of a game to the -- overturn that fumble. And give the patriots to game. And also the spy gate conspiracy theory did commissioner Roger Goodell have a role in a cover up of the patriots spying on other -- Kmart here in New York Giants fan. You dismissed the first conspiracy to tuck rule conspiracy. Is that just one Oswald because you say. This is really just a bad call in that game against Oakland not the rest getting together and decided -- to -- to --"

" There are people who would believe that the most of them live and Oakland. I'm the owner of the Oakland Raiders believes that but then what about the other part of the patriots conspiracy theory you gave that one I think for five Oswald's yet because it's true. Spy gate happened in 2007. What happened was after the jets caught. The patriots filming a defensive signals. They were asked to send the tapes to the league office the league office within 24 hours find. The coach of the patriots Bill Belichick. Half a million dollars then -- destroyed the tapes. So the question remains why would they destroyed tapes does does the question at all senator Arlen Specter asked as well and second how can. Commissioner make a decision to Levy such a heavy fine the greatest final ever levied against the coach in the history -- Without any kind of investigation and the answer according to conspiracy theorists is that. There is evidence dating back to 2001. That they had been doing this he knew that with much deeper than just one game and he was afraid. Of what a true investigation might reveal because they had won three championships. And what are you gonna do if it turns out that the league's marquee franchise has been cheating their way to championships. For seven years."

" You know adding to ricks and this theory -- hate to say -- They haven't won one since having."

" While they and that epic game against the giants and new champion which -- and wealth and yes it ended well for me it would --"

" Mark Weinstein co author of the thirty greatest sports conspiracy theories of all time ranking sport's most notorious fixes cover -- and scandals. Mike thanks so much thank you."