Title: Here and Now for Friday, October 2, 2009

" I'm running on a -- and now oh well. So sorry Chicago but the -- sixteen Summer Olympics will be in Rio a stunned windy city was eliminated along with Tokyo in the first round of voting. We'll have analysis a little later in the program. But first deflating economic news is well today the government huffed and puffed on the economic balloon but today. The Labor Department reports that despite boost from cash from conquerors and rebates for homebuyers and talk the end of the recession. Another 268000. Americans lost their jobs last month far worse than what economists expected. Nigel Gault is chief US economist for the economic forecasting firm -- age as global insight. Nigel we knew there would still be unemployment after signs of economic growth in the last few months but why did this much what happened."

" Well I think these two things especially in the and the private sector. Terms of being very very slow to to read they still imposing very very strict -- cost controls. Their output is gonna help of their findings that they can produce these extra output just by writing productivity is still cutting back on employment. Secondly. In the government -- We're getting quite severe cutbacks in that state and local governments coming through. That was particularly evident dismount start of the school year. We shall cuts in employment applicable local government level -- but the state government level. Colleges universities. So education was was a big influence on this month's numbers."

" So the official numbers nudged up from last -- nine point 79 point eight at that doesn't count. That half a million more Americans who have given up looking for full time work. That unemployment number shoots up witnessed in a 17% and you it's even worse."

" Welcome if you cover up the payroll numbers which is slightly different way of counting the -- unemployment numbers. The governor of the public system that we posted total of seven point two million jobs to the decision again. But they also told us today that payroll count is likely to be revised to show a lot of them not 800000. Jokes. So potentially right now he's little -- implement we eight million below the peak."

" Well and we were doing some math and it seems as if the loss you know the loss of jobs -- wipes out almost every single job created in the last decade."

" Unfortunately as of right now we essentially back where we started in totally -- as that generate 2000. Unfortunately where we -- by the time we get to be the end of these yet. Ten years on we can speak clearly below where we started in 2000."

" So these green suits are glimmers of hope that fed chair Ben Bernanke's been pointing to things like increased productivity what does that mean -- Are less workers you know fewer workers doing more output."

" They they are indeed yes we think. You know green green shoots scenes the overall level of activity some indications outings sporting out. Perhaps an improvement in business spending certainly a big improvement in exports. So that means the economy's now growing again they throw in a circle to. But it hasn't yet he hasn't grown fast enough for companies to need to -- workers."

" And you're hearing from Washington. Remain calm everyone expected job losses what just briefly what's the policy debate here."

" Well our question of policy can do do we need bull fiscal stimulus is this a kind of reaches 92 -- the official out of does the government need to step -- and doable. Very difficult to to to think that went through the government's already done an awful lot the budget deficit has expanded dramatically. Something's need to be done properly extending unemployment insurance benefits flexible helped state and local governments. But you know I'm not sure how much more the government could do I'm afraid he's going to be a very very low and slow process of recovery."

" Because do we get an cycle here where Consumer Spending which we -- is a huge part of the economy might slow down because. People are gonna -- as a afraid of losing their jobs yet we're being told that they should say so. So we're what should they do."

" Back at that that's the conundrum here that in the long run. We what you would -- without much -- it because obviously dudes. But in the short run if they decide to -- and if we don't have income because implement these declining. That's gonna put awake -- Consumer Spending which is the biggest share of spending in the economy."

" will continue until all of this Nigel Gault chief US economist. For the economic forecasting firm I HS global -- is new unemployment numbers today two bigger drop than expected. Nigel thanks so much. We're gonna have all the news for you at the half hour but. Today -- Friday break from headlines to not a milestone fifty years ago tonight Americans watching CBS heard this."

" The debut of the Twilight Zone in the meantime months. -- he gentlemen this series called the Twilight Zone. We dig -- special kind of series I think we're concerned with the the thing we're aiming for the thing we're working toward it is entertainment. This is series for the story --"

" That's rod sterling half century ago making his pitch to advertisers. And we storyteller he was sterling wrote 92 with the twilight zones 156. Scripts and posted them all. From the very first show in which a man wanders a deserted town. There's no -- to talk to because in the last second we find out there is no town. He's hallucinating he's an astronaut confined in isolation. To see if he can stand it. And who could forget William Shatner as the airplane passenger convinced there's a gremlin on the wing. There's a man."

" What is your."

" And who would believe him he's a recovering mental patient whose previous breakdown had been on an airplane. Nightmare 20000 feet and other Twilight Zone classics. We're screen two years ago at the rod sterling conference at Ithaca College in Ithaca, New York where sterling lived and taught and where. After his untimely death at the age of fifty in 1975. His memorabilia was archive. Is it -- earliest personal copies of the twilight zones and the other films that he. That he kept in attendance film scholars family members fans and former students like myself. I was privileged to have been in one of rod -- writing seminars at Ithaca. And get ready to hold another conference this weekend we thought we look again at his impact."

" That's why its own fan since 1959 but again here I had cards printed out that -- cars I would take the episode. Pick a good line in there. I sent the card to an -- I got a list of addresses. And -- very nicely asked that they would hand right. This quotation on one of my cars and attack today."

" Isn't an airline doesn't put these -- are here's Cloris Leachman and you know Emerson an active Burt Reynolds Lennon theme life Art Carney. Give me another line a line that jumps out it's a cookbook."

" Aliens from outer space com and have a book to surf man and we think it's great going to go to planet -- But then someone -- fans that advises don't go on there to serve man it's a cookbook."

" The book. To third that. It's -- cookbook."

" The Simpsons regularly -- a -- sir rulings talking -- Yeah luck and god here's the symptoms actress and I don't -- It old it kind I need an old red tie in my one."

" And then as -- time enough at last Burgess Meredith playing a book loving bank clerk after a nuclear holocaust. All that's left her books that at least he can read. Until. He dropped his glasses."

" Yeah yeah. It's not fair at all."

" A painful commentary on human -- and nuclear intentions and fodder for another Simpsons spoof of and gives us the Simpson's take."

" Not only did he loses classes but after losses classes that well I say it isn't so bad. And then after that his eyes and -- out after his eyes follow us and let's look at can read braille and then his hands follow up. It is very famous icon and television."

" But why. The shows were clever but why in the Twilight Zone episodes remain so profoundly."

" When the show debuted in the fifties Americans feared Communists real and imagined. Body snatching -- aliens so sat in corporate America. And the Twilight Zone as a place for them to feel these years. But for sterling it became the only place to write about them he rails against McCarthyism and modern day in the nation. His widow Carol says that made him radioactive to advertisers and."

" Very definitely hit that was sent. A very serious problem you know the sacred cows of advertisers. And network. Executives. Made it very difficult time from."

" Because it was."

" A scene from the movie version of requiem for a heavyweight. Selling adapted the screenplay from his Emmy winning live TV drama for CBS's Playhouse ninety. Certainly wasn't driving force in this new medium of TV but the censorship became too much. The breaking point his plan to tell a play about Emmett Till. The fourteen year old black boy who was murdered in 1955. Letters of protest poured into the sponsors united states steel company and then the script was watered down -- that he."

" Take that with anger -- the angry young man for along time after allowing him to young man anymore but. No it things he wanted to say he really felt television have this responsibility. To. Hopefully inform and educate. And when he was trying to tell a story. -- he emasculated in this story the Emmett -- story which fiscal one point. Town has turned to dust -- have by the timing answer with a script paternity test they were so emasculated. There wasn't a little black kid who was killed he lets -- be a foreigner. They run scripts and and that made him very upset and very angry which is why we say at some point that's why he escaped into the Twilight Zone. And there you could say what he wanted to and nobody nobody really about it and."

" Maybe they didn't -- dating and get that these were you know thinly -- I'm thinking of the one cannot not like everybody curriculum the exact title -- the one where ever -- in the town turns on everybody else monsters are due on maple street. This is the one story that -- summoning NC high school engine Haskell textbooks it sound scapegoating. And prejudice is to aliens there overseeing the whole thing in an Alaska the second you find out that they -- behind this and they're showing look while we need to do is just a couple things not turn on each -- exactly that's exactly what this was and yet that's about. And that team. And a sense. Fifteen to clean. Even now. People. -- Star Trek convention here with the amount of detail they know and certainly for you to seek."

" It's very surprising to me and I think. Would be most surprising to -- to realize that people can recite chapter and verse and entire Scripps. Do you think that is well I think to themes me social universal themes that he dealt with were important and and -- still important and on the way. Bigotry. Nuclear war man's inhumanity to man all of these things are still. Right up on top seem to be some sort of questioning we are real mom you know sort of a spiritual aspect to it was it was there that too. Well I think that was one of the themes he dealt with that fear of the unknown. Fear of death that kind of thing. Could it happen today I doubt he. Had."

" Carol sterling widow of pilots and creative -- and by the way. -- door the minute composers that certainly used Jerry Goldsmith after the break we'll hear his influence on writers today. Here and."

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" Welcome back in light of today's fiftieth anniversary of the debut of -- links Twilight Zone we've been looking at his legacy. To our visit to the 2007. Rod sterling conference at Ithaca College where he tot. Twilight Zone only aired for five years but the conference attracted hundreds of his fans. Many of whom surrounded -- sterling one of Ron and Carol siblings children."

" Like this seed -- still needs -- many years later. Relatively deconstructing your dad's work I can't. I can't even express -- I'm like so ecstatic right now you know when he was facing his own mortality biggest honor would be to sit someone recognized name -- that he was a writer. You've had it known what what's happening now. It's just amazingly --"

" You actually needed etc. what he must've known at that point how -- he had been an and the people of this work -- I don't think he knew I don't thinking. Now. Heat almost exceed beyond he was before his time. I mean he was writing about computers taking over in controlling our allies before we even had a computer where does that come from it's almost like. He lived another life and he knew was gonna happen. He was also great teacher I you know I was talking to somebody about it it it it looked like he was the mama duck. And then the baby ducks with the students and they would just follow him around."

" That's a great deal -- the -- and so we have boosting demand that a student about Clinton."

" That's Dr. John concession -- as dean of the school of communications in the seventies he persuaded sterling to come teach -- Africa. At the conference he shared rare footage of sterling with students. Before his sudden death -- five."

" Once you do that. And sure. Right don't -- it -- yeah."

" There was also a screening of the winning entry in the twilight zones -- project. And attendees were -- today on plans to build a rod sterling museum his beloved hometown of Binghamton, New York. Fans were. I've been a fan of Brett sterling since five years old. The twists in his writing where I get those bugs. Of one of those recurring messages in all of his work is can't go home again. It's affected Binghamton Mary can go back debate and that's exactly right he has a hometown. So you should go home again. And the places that what it was when you were younger."

" When it Christians often -- what would Jesus do in any given situation."

" And television we -- see what brought to mark's gotten -- creams and established television director and writer he's also author of the best seller. The Twilight Zone companion for rod for him he wasn't trying to -- GOP fund put guys in space it's -- he was writing about the real world and using science fiction -- His message and get past the censors -- at what it was emblematic of it was the twist ending the surprise."

" One of his favorite writers was -- Hendry and so -- love those kinds of stories."

" And here here now. With people who know these episodes inside -- equity -- yeah it's. Well people this is this our common mythology I mean we've opened up watching these episodes when there was ten years old and my step father and I were down McGraw she was just and a handyman thing. I was watching this amazing story of these astronauts who land on the planet and see. A duplicate of their which crashed ship and their own dead bodies they're trying to scientific data aliens are trying to for the somehow."

" And there's a strange kind of suit introducing its in tied with the cigarette and 100 does this usually the first of -- kind because prior to rod. Out writers who worked in television -- the producers who ran the show they were not writers. Writers were subordinate to the producers. And when -- created twilight and he was the boss that he was first writer really become a TV star but he kept his his artistic sensibility all the way through his line."

" And -- tremendous loss were reminded you know so -- fifty years old and 75 he died. Already be doing today what would outrage camera -- think -- even -- on -- reality programming -- it's fascinating I'm sure -- be writing about what's going on. With people being held without trial people being tortured. He would he would definitely be taking -- stand in rod sterling is very clear about what propelled him into writing it was. The war yes. Which he he was a partner to -- in world war two and to me out of airplanes and jungles full of then trying to kill him and he was wounded in shrapnel wound and was hospitalized and he -- worked with this burning need to get -- in -- chest he needed to expunge that as fierce as he was as angry as he was often Carroll told us he was the angry young men. He loved what he carried and -- hard it would seem this place that was Binghamton, New York that was America's should be. So I think you always had a longing for an eight and appreciation of small town life. Balanced balanced and that he had a good life and good working."

" And death I'll tell you something that not too many people know about. Hearing and his final day -- I days on Harrison. When you lazy in the intensive care unit to hospitals. A he -- for his senate -- a -- recorder and and you begin dictating. And reflecting on his mortality."

" I didn't. Here. But I do. Is -- this is. There is. To accomplish the things you -- com."

" In a hushed auditorium we listened to -- Schilling's last recorded words after his first heart attack just before his death. At their request to his family were only veneer few seconds now but in them you hear his character."

" It's. This relationship. Yeah. Carol. Can you kids to -- There will be up to you -- here. It's."

" And in -- ceilings voice you hear his many characters. The evening closed with a screening of walking distance historian -- Sloan the ad executive who goes back in time to try to confront his numbers tell."

" I don't wanna tell you. Wonderful time we went for it. Don't let anything go by without enjoying. Garden -- the been conscious."

" I only wanted to tell you that this. Is a wonderful time. And owls. Here."

" A scene from -- surroundings walking distance will leave you with music from Bernard Herrmann score and be back after a --"

" There was stunned silence in daily plaza in Chicago today back."

" Brazilians went wild in realize that city was selected the side of the tiny sixteen Summer Olympics. -- winning over runner up Madrid third place Tokyo. And Chicago which is eliminated in the first round by the International Olympic Committee what -- that it's being called. One of the most shocking defeats ever handed down by the IOC. President Obama flew in at the last minute gave the speech the First Lady lobbied for two days for her hometown that may be. None of that really factored into things John powers covers everything Olympic for the Boston Globe he joins us now John. -- Didn't even mental. Even threaten your ears so a Mac."

" Well I think it's is -- the second city comes up for. That is that is clearly a problem I think. They'll be even more shocking and Rio getting the games and after a -- South American countries. The -- are clearly it was time but everybody thought at least. The Chicago -- com -- worse -- second that there would be -- and was told to get. Eighteen votes in the first round at the earliest a US -- has gone out since 1976 what LA without aren't. Montreal in Moscow it may not have had as much to do which Chicago as the US. Itself under the IOC there's still lingering resentment of the so public bidding scandal. Our 2002 my almost. Immediately of the games there was a bombing -- electoral commercial aspect to it. It has been recent issue with the US Olympic Committee about about revenue sharing and about the U associate try to put up the wrong with the networks sort picked. If you're looking to vote -- venture -- you can certainly find."

" One can't imagine. American broadcasters being receptive the idea that the IOC want to have its own Olympic television network. -- and -- the so that was one of the behind the scenes squabbles. But any sense so I mean just have we have now looked at this when prime then prime minister Tony Blair campaigned for London. For the Olympics they ultimately won he was there for ever made a big effort spoke French. Obama only there briefly and he was caught on tape saying he's just gonna flying flying out. --"

" Do you see any actor. Yes I think he needed to be here to communicate to the only head of state not there and certainly no US president has gone before and it's probably -- embarked. To do basically had dropped him into not even stay around for the vote I think that was probably taken as -- A slap in the face by the IOC members. You know argue I think to not have -- would've been about best but it made almost been as bad. Just to just got to do it a flyby toward bigger issues that Tony -- huge music individual members and pixel dot definitely helped."

" You'll everything on that bridges say the president and I can't win because even critics who city -- at all so. You know part of the time he's been speaking with one of his his top general in Afghanistan. But you mentioned the president of Brazil he he. She showed a world map showing that no Olympics had ever been held in South America and -- had to be. And the driving point."

" Yes so what is about a for one thing about Reno is. That that Mets have been consistent from day one they -- we shall not like map -- of -- a huge apartment in it it is little we do it's still well. You know what sort of true. Big -- recently one is Beijing had to finally get the games because it could not ignore these. Vision of the world's largest nation in South America partly out of the game wouldn't give twice structurally and not South America. Clearly about how to -- but -- important -- of the time."

" So jump Garth -- final thought -- to Chicago. Just save themselves a lot of money. Or did they lose a lot of future international trade and jobs."

" But I think they didn't lose much -- one of the big. Renovations here was that to pick out a huge budget deficit that they at a rate. The rainy day fund to be able effects. Businesses can be this is two billion dollar undertaking a very uncertain. And I think tomorrow morning Gupta that -- up from. That angle remote Chicago people -- so you know it may be that it's now."

" And people who are criticizing the US presentations. We have to remember that it's Spain's. President. 89 and literally on his mix of his death that appeal saying I'm near the end of my time please grant -- country this honor. And that didn't work for imagery itself. Perhaps nothing that's gonna work. John powers we look forward to your writing in the Boston -- as always thank you. He'll be back in thirty seconds so sorry she here and."

" Remember all the stories recently about the -- rock band that. Revolutionary new video game from harmonics the makers of rocking Guitar Hero. It would change games forever enable people to literally be The Beatles. This is not one of those stories."

" This is a story about the classical clarinet behind games. That's harmonics co-founder and run and -- rehearsing for an upcoming concert with radius ensemble of critically acclaimed and youthful Boston based. A native of Israel and Iran grew up in Massachusetts. And studied classical clarinet at the New England Conservatory. But he also studied engineering in computer science with electronic music composer Tod -- Hoover at MIT's prestigious media lab. And then with fellow student Alex regardless found -- harmonics. So you wonder how was high tech company created from classical clarinet."

" Tell me a little bit about this -- to hear her -- with a radiant recognizes the Shubert doctor in F major. It is an enormous piece he wrote it directly response to Beethoven who reticent at which -- very big and popular -- launches are out QB to them going so he made it he added one instrument. And you know made it about twice as long success there so there."

" Surprise violin and if I know you of that candidate -- I think you know one of the people behind all these video games."

" I'd get this -- they're expecting man you know and then. It's kind of quirky but the answer is that music is music right and it doesn't really matter if it's classical music or rock music or jazz or folk or whatever."

" So it's just go to summit purist I mean -- one in the opposite to he'd get class musicians who are asking you. It has worked out well for you but what are you doing -- and he you know."

" Well but that's that the people clearly have their preferences and and they get dogmatic and religion and religious about what music they think it's great. You know I really believe that all music is great but the feeling you get when you play music -- perform music. -- classical music or rock music or whatever is still this this wonderful feeling."

" Won't use said that what you want to do through the games is to let other people who haven't performed had that feeling of performance for Stifel. -- like to perform for instance was radius. I've seen you do some incredibly uncle art pieces and works and we didn't he studio and we did a piece from a -- it was amazingly it was well you're still it was like Jimi Hendrix. Meets Chris -- And -- what what's that like for sold to perform with the clarinet."

" Well with the game. Being what it is you know now tech questions coming into relief. I've never really thought about it much beforehand and I don't even think most musicians. Put -- thought into -- what does it feel like playing is something that you do and we know it feels great but there's a bunch of pieces to it there's the preparation ahead of time. And that's a very collaborative experience so there's this wonderful feeling of building something. Then there's the performance rate your backstage. You have your pretty feeling pretty good about it but you know that it might not be. Perfect your little nervous. You go on stage and now the audience is there and your transformed -- this different world. And if you can do it and great musicians can they take that energy and that. Anxiety and they turn into something positive this energy that that helps the peace come alive even more and be more emotional. And -- performing even if you can that's you're communicating something in your may -- even learning something. While you're doing it."

" Yeah yeah. I mean there's. If."

" Do you the it's not done."

" What we understand that you went back to your academic work MIT. To see how what you learn about the clarinet and you are also working with computers. Might translate into games knowing your master's dissertation and 1995 was. Deriving musical control features from the real time -- analysis of the clarinet."

" you find that --"

" In the timeless -- that. Oh look I'm not sure if I understand either -- and read it again but it's that -- ever announces Clancy. And how did what we're trying to learn about the planet without that --"

" Well so the weight started was I sort of had to parallel interests you know one was music and clarinet in the other was electrical engineering. And computer science and I was doing both of them and ninety. But I didn't really think about combining them until I went to media elaborate I realized there was a group and what they did was combine computers and music together. And it was it was wonderful. So I don't work on a bunch of different things but then you know thesis was about taking the clarinet sound. And putting a microphone up to it and then having that be analyzed by computer. And then try to have the computer say something about the sand is its sharpest flat. But there's also more subtle things like. What kind of tone do I have in his the tone purist guitar and a little rough four or things like that so that's what the thesis was was of them."

" How would leap ahead to The Beatles project okay because you minority. It's just had tremendous success with Guitar Hero in you. New that you're giving people this opportunity to sort of feel that they were playing an instrument and now this new project. No interest Daniel on -- Paul McCartney George Harrison's widow Giles is Giles materials and does not the son of George Martin a legendary beatle producer. All had some input in this -- had a lot of it a lot into it and the Sanyo -- had one of the biggest contributions because. She said The Beatles avatars themselves the figures -- whistle with."

" Well she was particularly focused on John hello John looked at how John moved to as he moves and acting that way that she remembered him. And in the beginning we didn't have that right you know we had someone who looks like John. But we had someone who didn't. Feeling move like and she told us what it needed to be like and you know we did what she says."

" In it and that's the one son ravens and and."

" When we come back we'll go into the inner sanctum of harmonic but -- working on now you're listening to hear -- now."

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" For some reason there is a huge gone in the offices of harmonics and the company that created the wildly successful Guitar Hero and Beatles rock band video games. Co creator Iran goes he's taking us on a tour of the sprawling complex of nondescript chain drugstore in Cambridge Massachusetts. Inside is exploding with creativity."

" And hands them. Well I'm noodles what I could now saying."

" A Warren of cubicles is filled with twenty somethings on headphones singing and playing air guitar at their computers. In part using technology that Iran helped develop studied clarinet sounds an MIT. They're taking songs apart to reprogram them for the video games."

" Do mentally is that you're doing."

" I was working on the road crew which is the upcoming deals -- track. We get songs in on a weekly basis and they're prepared here and in every week new songs about rock and soul is it just went. Do we threw it I think. -- listening answers. And your listeners."

" He -- can -- to you guys is. Iraq in network where you. -- into the open it up and open source sort of let people put their music on yes it's it's really exciting some Republicans for a long time finally releasing him. And like I said we're working on the bottleneck for music right now we can we can do about ten times -- that this whole department can do about ten times a week. We've we'd like to. 200 songs with thousands of arsenic in the way we do that as we let the bands themselves. Create. -- music and put their music into rock and so they can. Do all the work is being done here themselves. And upload it to our servers and then people can can -- and and play."

" Finally we enter with the workers called the star chamber -- job this is the playroom where they have to try out games like rock and it looks like a frat room only in addition to the old -- there's a huge widescreen TV. For microphones guitars Iran sits at the virtual drum kit and suddenly. We are."

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" Okay now the and every day I think -- whole days. I think we'll save. -- can say."

" Do you think that you were better able to do this. Because of your class -- Lewis do you think if you just in the computer half. This he could have done it to please -- like you who."

" No not at all I mean that that the reason that we can do this and the reason that we've. You know been successful and people have -- gains because. A lot of us are musicians musicians here and certainly I play clarinet. And so maybe that's a little different from playing guitar but we have a lot of people here who play in bands play guitars drums have a lot of singers. We have people who know it's like to perform. And of course we also have fabulous artist who I mean you -- within looked like it's it's a beautiful work of art."

" Will you play clarinet and I'm thinking Alex then began alarm."

" Well I played in the analog TV together."

" And again on this and instruments from Ali it's from what's as a collection of instruments orchestra instruments each one is is -- is -- the xylophone with about entertain kids. And you hit it with diesel hammers but but the point of the gallon is that all 25 people are playing together one. You know one piece and they can only be thinking again this is one big instrument that's."

" Yeah. Yeah."

" Like -- the point is that people like Stephen van -- road rage in time magazine he says this. The Beatles rock and it's gonna pull kids into playing real instruments and -- you know -- people have been saying the exact opposites can happen. And they'll get used playing on the of paktia and and thinking it through your story. She you know the guys behind Beatles track in playback clarinet. And a thing called -- honor extra. Did it. Expect this -- very good thing."

" I think so I mean it's we're talking about breaking down barriers -- we're talking -- breaking down people's perceptions and and I think you have to keep in mind is this is you know this is a gain the fact that anyone's even comparing it to. Playing a real instrument is amazing. Right because it's a game at at the end of the day but what we're doing with this game is that we're giving people that including. Of of what it's like -- to play and and maybe it might not be perfect analogy but if you play this game and you get excited you have the smile on your face. You might be inclined to pick up an instrument and yes sure you might not but you know it's an -- that instruments Iraq instrument in May be that instrument is is the clarinet or or maybe again."

" I'm wondering I know you've been asked. The obvious question which is would you do. A game like this for a classical. Instruments in usage you know there's not enough of the market that I'm thinking why not do well."

" I would I would love to do that and this this thing that we've shown with with rock band is that it gets people. Excited about music and gets people to learn. This music and deeper way -- it puts people inside the music. And classical music is amazing. There are so many wonderful pieces you know that KQ and a on these emotional emotional roller coaster rides. You know everything from every subtle things to you know two very deep things and and the way other parts intertwined here. Our magical. But most people just you know flip on the radio and to use it as relaxation music. -- there's so much more -- classical music and people think and if we could get an experience like rock and happened for classical music or chamber music. It would be found."

" Do you mind. The pain in the Franklin Yo-Yo ma -- order Yost a string string quartet right wanting hosting hosting with -- and thinking. If I could played in Aaron Cook couldn't write a piece of Benny Goodman suite for Danny Goodman it's that clarinet. Well there's -- clarinet concerto."

" Copeland -- which is which is actually. --"

" Okay."

" Benny Goodman the it even though he's known for -- played."

" It -- classical music I think we have something here."

" Trojan horse you know to get kids right gently if we kind of -- if we're able this -- and listen to classical music into Iraq. And that's the --"

" He's co-founder and chief technical officer of harmonics. Makers of rock band and rock band The Beatles. He's also clarinet is with a radius ensemble from going from -- web site here --"

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