Title: Here and Now for Thursday, October 8, 2009

" I'm Robin Young it's here and now today a deadly bombing in Afghanistan at the Indian embassy. And protests in the streets in Pakistan. Underscore problem facing Washington. The Taliban claimed responsibility for the bombing but did that attacks originate in Pakistan. And why pakistanis protesting a one point five billion dollar US aid packets the so called Kerry Lugar bill. By burning American flags in the street earlier we reached the -- editor of Don the largest English language newspaper in Pakistan."

" According to a large number of opposition politicians. Have been in front stoop markets aren't that the patient is given by Washington that. To put in these conditions all of that he'd been RB in the."

" Daniel Markey is -- Pakistan expert at the council on foreign relations. Daniel."

" Well I think Pakistan has felt that spotlight for number of years now and this is just the latest move obviously the Obama administration's. Perspective on the region and shape very much by its interest in the al-Qaeda. And everybody agrees that al-Qaeda is in Pakistan. So for that reason some of the attention shifted from the straight up Afghanistan question of troops and so on. -- how do we deal with that deeper global threat that is based and pops out."

" Well some of the conditions that we're attached to the US bill included that Pakistan cooperating dismantling the networks. Set up by the scientist AQ Khan to ship nuclear weapons material and the country. That the Pakistan government makes sustained effort to combating militants in bases on the border with Afghanistan and that. The Pakistani security forces. Not be materially are substantially subverting political or judicial processes. Seem like pretty reasonable request for one point five billion dollars."

" Well they do and I think that that's the attitude taken by those on the hill who drafted these so so called conditions. They really are conditions that require much of Pakistan that it shouldn't or would likely be doing anyway -- That's the pakistanis are have been and will continue to be very sensitive to anything that looks like outside dictation. And that's how many of them read this legislation."

" Well and as recently such as a fire Abbas whose editor of Don the English language newspaper in Pakistan maybe in an editorial against the aid bill. In part because they alluded to interference at my -- Interrupt the transition to democracy. Isn't there are concerned that if the US pushes the Pakistan government too much it might make an even more vulnerable. To a takeover by the Pakistan military."

" Yeah I think some people view this. Bill has sent some Pakistan. Worried that by drawing too close to the current government of president territory prime minister do -- That Washington actually weakens them and that they'd be better off if they didn't -- so dependent upon outside support. This is the problem of certainly of miscommunication. And I think at some level. There's also certain amount of political motivation on the Pakistani side among the opposition parties were looking to it to part of the government house with being too close to Washington."

" Well we're also hearing reports from people like -- nations in the Washington Post. The Pakistan is working hard and having real success in changing people's minds about the Taliban in places like the Swat Valley almost. Programs and the government is also initiating a new campaign against insurgents in South Waziristan. Some pakistanis feel they're being unfairly criticized that they are they doing the best they can't."

" I think that's there's some truth to that look there there's a difference of opinion with respect to certain militant groups where the United States feels that Pakistan is doing enough. That's Pakistan has done more with respect to some of these militant outfits the Pakistani Taliban in Swat Valley and so on. And deserves credit for that Writely and -- the past six months of actually been relatively more positive certainly than anything we saw the preceding a couple years."

" Well and Daniel Markey just one must question a few seconds we have. How are you reading the tea leaves the smoke signals coming out of the White House how far. How much do you think the US. May switch policy how much will they target in nuclear armed Pakistan."

" I think the reality is says the Obama administration has said. They don't intend to draw down for troops in Afghanistan precipitously. With respect to Pakistan and the hope was that focusing on building up. Pakistani civilian institutions providing all kinds of civilians. Assistance in the form of this Kerry Lugar legislation. Would be a positive step and again I go back to saying there is surprise here in Washington that the pakistanis are responding so violently and negatively. Two what was perceived as as partnership building. Approach by the US congress."

" Daniel Markey senior fellow on India Pakistan and South Asia at the council on foreign relations Daniel thanks as always. Thank you."

" Well we've heard the story of the addicts who stay up all night online ultimately there may be a family intervention rehab. In a few minutes we'll hear that story but first here's another. Lucy Ferris is a writer in residence at Trinity College in Hartford Connecticut. Her twenty year old son Dan was a scholar athlete playing division one tennis -- old dominion university in Virginia. But he ultimately dropped out to play online poker full time. After a huge confrontation with his -- Then began to get his act together treat his poker playing professionally he traveled to Germany for a tournament mated to one of the later rounds and now this mother. Has come to an -- acceptance of his choices she joins us from Connecticut public broadcasting in Hartford. Lucy started back at the beginning -- years sun started to change would agency."

" I began to see answering nothing of him during the day he was awake all night went to bed just about the time I was getting up in the morning. And that was a significant. Change."

" He'd been the golden boy -- as a tennis player old dominion. And became clear when he was in school something was distracting him. But when you asked about it did he tell you he resigned gambling. Well I should say first that he'd played poker in our basement for many years with his friends it seemed like a pretty healthy activity to me at the time. I suspected. He was playing online. But I really didn't know anything about that world so it wasn't until it was clear that he was up all night staring at his computer. That I began to think that this was the world that he was becoming involved."

" Right this is a summer when he'd come home. You and his father had divorced tees and into his. Father's house and he's from that first -- at there was a problem and and called you to say. He's got to control. And there was a moment when it all exploded."

" Well I had sent to him toward the end of summer look you've been. Up all night playing poker sleeping all day how do you expect to attend classes and Ian actually. And that was the point at which he said to me oh what happened in playing poker I've just been up watching videos. So the first thing I did was to tell ask him to prove it to me. I knew enough by -- to note that he couldn't. Play online poker with an American bank account he had to have some sort of account overseas like that. Because ever since 2006. When congress passed something called the unlawful Internet gambling enforcement act. That burden has been on American financial institutions. Not to send money. To on line gambling web sites. All of which are located offshore. So anybody who wants to play. Texas hold them or wants to. Just play a game of craps has to send the money somehow overseas with outgoing directly through an American bank. So I knew that -- had something like that and he proceeded to show me. Such accounts and they were virtually empty and something about that smelled. The theory theory fishy so he did some things man. Is sweaty palm inducing what did you do it. One thing that I knew was that Dan had gone into my computer at one point to check his email and asked my computer to say his passport. So it 4 o'clock in the morning I did something that seemed reprehensible to me launched onto his email account. Because it occurred to me that the web site that he had shown me was not the only website that he was -- And sure enough I found correspondence to a different screen name from a different website and I proceeded to log onto that clips. Testing and some. And I saw that he had 12000 dollars. In poker winnings so I didn't touch the money I locked the account I changed the password so that -- would be forced to talk."

" To me well he did more than that. He found out you were pulling out of the driveway with a friend he came out. -- the wind -- what drove the car."

" Regularly it was his usual wake up time which is about 5530 in the afternoon. And he came barreling out of the house screaming that I have so and his money. And he proceeded to rip the windshield wiper off the back of the car and uplift himself. In front of the car challenging me to run him over. And I didn't obviously ran him over but I did manage to get on the drive."

" Okay so something at this point is terribly wrong and now you're still in this. It's a familiar framework of the story to many people who whose loved ones are addicts. His grades died he he funny quits the tennis team and you start speaking to people who know a lot about poker who say look. And you know in most cases this doesn't now."

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" Well what seemed most important to me was back. Dan and I opened up the lines of communication and so long as he was making money off this enterprise. There wasn't a darn thing I can do about it. It also seem to mean. That Dan was starting to do something that he had need to do. Counselors that told me for years that he needed to do -- he needed to separate in some way. From meet and -- looked at what he was doing this playing poker. As a successful attempt. To separate. Then I might find ways in which could keep the lines of communication. Open."

" Even as he spoke to for instance executive director of the national council on traveling gambling. Who said poker gambling what it's always gambling -- involves the same three things prize chanting consideration. It's not sport it's not scrabble."

" I think the important thing about what Keith wide use that directors national council on problem gambling said to me. Is that you can admit that it's gambling and then sort of -- also locked so a lot of things are gambling. The stock market is gambling if you use those three criteria. The problem is that we look on gambling. As a negative activity as a vice. And if we think of it as an activity that can be healthy and is an activity that can be very unhealthy. Then we stand a chance of helping people for whom the activity has become --"

" As you start to see it as may be a form of his being able to separate from -- and from. The burden of being the golden boy a scholar athlete and perhaps sooner as. That was the thing that you needed to sort of hold on to -- as you -- a morsel of sanity. As he starts to feel. -- your disapproval melt."

" What happens to him what is -- he starts. Let me just say that actually the -- the seemed to me to turn it around with -- beginning to write an article about office. Because I said to him look -- your mother but I want to talk to you as if I'm a journalist I'd like to learn more. And he began to relax. And he shared. Some things about his feelings his ambitions. What he thought he was getting from poker that he never would have shared. Before. And also he does quite well this he placed tournaments and there's a part of you. This has some prodding him. -- your child is doing well something that your child enjoys. It's very hard not to share emotionally in that happiness so yes I have a constant push pull of emotions I still. In many many ways wish that he would. Follow all of life that would not have that risk of taking him over this way. At the same time boys to see a bed grin on your kid's face is a good thing."

" Talking to Lucy Ferris whose son Dan was a college scholar athlete who played division one tennis. When he dropped out to play online poker full time and wasn't taking care of themselves sleeping during the day staying up all night. He didn't act together and at one point told his mom it's not like -- leaving college for poker. It's more than pocus allow me to leave a situation that was in good from the college. But we'll see you -- has now gone back to college while still gambling so how this happened."

" Dan now has a sponsor which takes some of the financial stress. Off of and at the same time. Just a couple of months ago he made a decision that floored. He decided that he wanted to try going back to school and what's more. He wanted to try going back to school at Trinity College which is where I teach so much for separating from you. Well I think he may be felt that he could do that because he had separated from me. I think he may also have realized that one of the things that was missing in his academic experience. Was the kind of challenge that he was getting from poker. I think he's also been lonely for his peer group. Well and so is he gonna give up poker gambling. Completely I think it's an open question whether to hand has the discipline to. Shut the computer down when he needs to study buddies he's getting his feet wet slowly. And viewers that the -- might come we're saying come twenty we do an intervention. Back then why did I my idea I always presenting myself with. Different alternatives of what I can do and at the -- do I have any power for good in this situation. And it seems to me that I don't. When I wrote the article in the New York Times there were some parents who said. Well I wouldn't put up with any such a thing I would march my kid down to route to an intervention right away. My response to that is and then your kid would not talk to you. And you would not be able to that because shirt in your son is over eighteen years old and when your son wants and needs somebody to talk to you. You need to be there. So I feel as though Dan is in a much better place now than he was twelve months ago that doesn't mean that the dangers."

" Aren't out there. That's Lucy Ferris writer in residence at Trinity College -- also mother earned twenty year old Dan and she wants is from the sidelines. As he continues her life and -- professional gambler. Lucy thanks so much thank you Roman. Well that there -- other families who say they can't live with online gambling online anything they say becomes an unhealthy addiction. And now the first residential Internet addiction center in the US recently opened -- in fall city Washington it's called the restart Internet addiction recovery program. Doctor Hillary cash is co-founder doctor cash we should say that Internet addiction is not recognized as an addiction by the American Psychiatric Association. But you say that like other addictions the problem is people do get a high may -- from going on FaceBook for a few hours. And then that wears away and they have to spend more time to keep achieving that feeling. How bad have you seen it yet."

" Well equipped for most people they are going to be able to just pull back and have -- be a normal part of their side. But put those people who are not able to do that. These people do we don't flunk out of high school flunked out of college do a great deal of lying sometimes becoming violent in order to its. To their computers. From being taken away. And oftentimes becomes severely depressed and anxious."

" And possibly suicidal we -- yeah. Is it true that some gamers have to I need to playing for days."

" It has happened -- that I'm aware of have occurred in the summit the Asian countries and these very individuals who have. Stayed in front of their computers for. More than forty hours at a time. And I think their dying from blood --"

" Well and we understand that China is addressing what they see is a problem with online -- expect they have boot camps. We're actually people died in the boot camps because of beatings. Obviously you don't do that what just restart do."

" Restart is. Designed to -- give people 45 days without access to the Internet."

" Is hard cold Turkey like that."

" In this of course tried because people go into withdrawal. And they feel anxious and uncomfortable. Both physically and psychologically."

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" Exactly in addition we're really designing an individualized program -- person to help build up the strength. That they need in order to be successful in their adult lives."

" Teammate go on some outdoor expedition -- at a picture of young men having you know holding a puppy so he has some interaction with a living thing. But if -- of the there's been some criticism. Doctor Bruce Allen of the center for addiction and mental health and Toronto. Says at the fact that your program focuses on the Internet -- detract from some other issue that the and it's just the symptom."

" We don't stop finally engaging in the addictive behavior then you have the opportunity to start looking at the underlying causes. For some people they may have truly is some other co occurring disorders that have to be addressed. What they're just might be Psycho dynamic reasons anger disappointment it like this is striking -- and you begin addressing it."

" Well how to use send them back into the real world did people might be able to avoid a bar. Or situations where there's alcohol for instance if they have to give that up but many people to work today have to work on a computer."

" For most people -- it's not their application. That the patriots. But people need to make a commitment to and what our clients in -- maybe if make a commitment to. Pointing it goes applications to which they are addicted to whether it is the video games or pornography. There -- triggered step. Stimulate creating. And they need to have a plan for how to avoid those stickers so having a support network a therapist Stanley. We have started at twelve step program. Called Internet and technology addicts anonymous. So we encourage people when they return back home just started twelfth dep support group."

" That's -- Hillary cash co-founder of the restart Internet addiction recovery program there in fall city Washington. She's also written a book and video games and is co-founder of an addiction services food companies Doug Kass thanks so much that you. Okay quick look ahead tomorrow and here now Moses led the -- to the promised land but he also inspire Americans from George Washington to Barack Obama. Not to mention slaves on the underground railroad and Superman will stick with other Bruce filer about his terrific new book promotion that's tomorrow. Still to come today why businesses are breaking with the US chamber of commerce over climate change that's after the latest news. Here and now."

" Have you thought about your final resting place according to Forbes dot com the cost of an average burial plot here in the US. Is -- 4000 dollars in Japan and traditional burial plots are even more expensive than they can cost tens of thousands of dollars so. Some people are turning to cheaper high tech alternative. The BBC's Roland Burke reports from Tokyo."

" In Japan's prided cities as little space for the dance. But by this nation intention is what may be a solution. It's a great building it's not like an apartment home about five or six stories high. -- windows that because this is nothing less than a graveyard. In this guy."

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" Inside a Buddhist monk Rio told Kuo or not is something that prank in front of an old time. I it isn't a funeral over the -- the sales pitch to potential customers visiting this recently build multi story graveyard. He explains how the ashes of the dead are kept in a hands on shelves and a -- with a robot succumb to retrieve them for remembrance ceremonies."

" It's Cuomo frantically she students pay about. It's kind of sit stand that we can store a lot of remain so you don't have to visit and create yet far away. And it's convenient because it's beside the station and how much does it cost competitive a normal great time did. Who -- the cost will be half -- that are open normal upgrade yet in Tokyo because we can store menu remains compared to a normal credit and so we can offer reasonable price so I've got --"

" Is 300 Macy's thanks again around 4000 dollars which might not seem cheap but is a ball gained for a final resting place in Japan. Real talk who -- us since the Iraq it."

" So and I came back into the workings of this building when the -- an easy catch. Actually it's quite high tech was compete screens but there's also the -- When -- the rectangular. Parents can be kept in the stretching up into the darkness from the top of the building Cuomo command that is me. These -- shelf where restored to Ernst and there's an ultimate to training site. So there's a huge crane now -- meeting between these shelves. It's. And it's very rapidly collecting one missiles being selected by someone obsessed. It's a real west of the debt and many people to be in him. -- owns half cups for Clinton -- can pit passes for two people -- one books sold 7000 people maximum MySpace. For -- here that you should get 100 grapes in this area. -- So using this is let people would come if they want to T -- should be to their loved ones as economic p.s to one corner and it comes just as it. Screens -- loss for fiscal -- maintenance and is this where you consecrated to create. You touched a pineapple and then their window will open and you'll see your firm. So this being -- back and it's block model race thing and he ends Drew Peterson -- this in front of the greatest and that's that. This whole war sent thanked him and -- the pictures as well that's the deceased. On the electronic photo frame. There's been paid team in the whole thing is sets off by team -- flowers. On either side has a space and funds to -- in sex tape."

" Sales people show off the system to prospective customers. He thinks like constant touch screen to summon up the dance to the morning --"

" Let's just left under our family previous outside but sometimes it rains and there's a strong wind and you have to fix graveyard. Used."

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" The Japanese intent to technology for solutions to many of the problems of life and I deaths -- 300 families and place the ashes of their loved ones in the building say font. Hi tech graveyards being built across Japan is no longer an outlandish hopes and and on expects the remaining slots on the sells -- in the occupied and."

" That's the BBC's Roland there in Tokyo. Well up next mister no link goes to Washington his neighbors may know this Ohio businessman but. Now he's been in Washington pushing for climate change legislation we'll find out why that's in. Thirty seconds. Here and now."

" Lawmakers on Capitol Hill got an earful this week from groups urging passage of a federal cap on emissions that contribute to climate change. This is the usual crowd of protesters dressed in polar bear costumes it was a coalition. Of more than 150 business executives or part of a lobbying blitz by business leaders -- yes producing an alternative energy product but some. Also leading energy providers Exel on public service electric and gas Duke Energy National Grid. Who all say they can't afford to sidestep the climate and energy challenge. In -- some companies have broken with the traditional business represented at the US chamber of commerce over this issue. Stephen a link was in Washington he's the owner of -- link corporation they offer consulting services and products. To help companies bring down energy costs they say they walked the walked. He says retrofitting his own building has saved him energy costs up to 7%. Steve what manufacturers. Would smokestacks people who make things -- this cost them."

" You know there -- a lot of very large. Manufacturers who are proponents of this legislation you know ranging from General Electric. HP -- Dow Chemical."

" Will -- you've talked to people. At this meeting who operate manufacturing facilities in power plants. Who be directly affected by any legislation. And what is some -- say you about their other concerns."

" I got to hear chip Rogers CEO of Duke Energy one of the largest utilities in the country for example. And his point is very clear he wants to make sure. The rules of the game are made clear so she knows how to invest and new power plants going forward."

" He and others have power plants that have to be decommissioned. And wouldn't you say you about that."

" He's seen by the year 2050. He has to decommission. You know all that the plans are currently in operation to replace with when they were more efficient equipment. And he just in -- note today -- soonest possible help to make plans going forward on what that equipment will be."

" Make you know what the federal game plans and be. So there's a push on that level and went just and other energy providers are look of the initial their China."

" Yes you know I read an article by Thomas Friedman just a week or so ago and -- media analogy that this is our generation's spot back. And now were. Approaching an era where we might might be losing our competitiveness. To -- emerging world power. In China."

" Will the energy secretary Steven -- so also Nobel prize winner. Spoke of the fact that China invests some twelve point six million dollars in clean energy every hour."

" Yes they have made a much larger commitment as a country. To embrace the new energy economy and the USS."

" All if congress doesn't pass climate change legislation session Obama administration said it's going. Instruct the EPA to regulate greenhouse gas emissions with -- without congressional approval we know that. Many in your among them feel that's not the way to go that would have to happen is a national energy policy with incentives. And to be more green but just -- about one of those incentives we Cap and Trade System. Much -- debate this is the idea that businesses being able to buy in still. -- sort of carbon credits if they do Allen proved it pollution and they have some extra credit to sell and make some money. Yeah how you feel about that because some say that's why businesses are. Move moving forward on this issue they're seeing that as a way to make money."

" Absolutely minute it's a market based approach to. Addressing the problems."

" What about one of the criticisms of cap and trade which is that. It wealthier countries will fare better and we'll be forced to cut emissions is they have a lot of money and can sort of just pay for their polluting."

" I think our companies in -- in the small -- serves as a microcosm of what is possible. To show how one can not only survived and becoming more energy efficient. But actually thrive. So I I think there's a lot of fear mongering going on out there about you know it's just gonna create job blocks but our experiences much on the."

" You know some are saying you know rather than cap and trade which again. Allows wealthy companies to just you know pay for going over the cap when -- have a carbon tax so they have to pay for what they admit."

" You know my take on it is that the word tax would be you know politically. Acceptable approached the problem I think -- Again any more market based approach is the better route to go."

" Well and this loving blitz that you're part of the Washington also has highlighted. It's something of a split in the business community over climate change high profile energy providers like excellent Pacific gas. Companies like Apple Computer. Have quit membership in the US chamber of commerce. Because of the chambers stand against climate change legislation. Chambers says it's a job skill of the Chamber's vice president William Kovacs. Has gone so far as to call for a Scopes monkey trial over global warming because he says this science and it needs to put on trial. -- you -- some sort of a tipping point in the business community."

" I made them seem to have growing momentum towards those that are embracing this has the opportunity it is from an economic standpoint. From an Energy East independent standpoint and environmental health standpoint. You know it's amazing that thirty plus years after our first energy crisis. We're still here kind of dithering has nation whether or not we should get serious about energy. It's unfortunate that you know it's such a strong stance has been taken at the national level by -- chamber. Become don't think it's representative of most of its members are I think there isn't a major shift --"

" That Steve link keys owner of the Moly corporation in Milford Ohio. The company helps other businesses become energy efficient and they're trying to also. Practice what they preach Steve thanks so much. Yeah yeah yeah. Okay and quick note on a story we're investigating. President Obama has been referred to as Boller in chief and today he'll be spending a lot of time watching and playing hoops. This afternoon the president will drop by the White House basketball court to lacks the national naval medical centers marine wounded warrior basketball team -- they -- Litter today he'll blow off some steam by taking to the court with some members of congress and cabinet members. And the roster looks like it's all got eyes the Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner democratic congressman Heath Shuler of North Carolina. Brad Ellsworth of Indiana Republican Jeff flake of Arizona. Obama aides told politics daily that the president hopes some male bonding will help him with his legislative agenda."

" Wait a minute where women."

" Where's Michelle unknown hoop fan her brother is a basketball coach he had a play you Obama to see if he had game. Before he'd sign off on a bombing dating his sister well we call the White House and the press office said they're looking into how the teams were chosen but they also added. President played hoops earlier this year with a championship UConn women's husky team and they honored at the White House to -- count. Hope. Real bonding. We look at your thoughts. On this or anything on the program to -- here now dot org you can click on contact us up in the right corner there that. Helped to send an email and make a phone call or you can scroll down and leave a comment right there on the homepage we'd love to hear from. And again. Here in -- gotten worse you're listening to -- here and now back in. Welcome back. Hand in. It."

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