Title: Fireside Chats #64: Where we put the 2009 Red Sox out to pasture

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" Episode number 64 -- that the Boston Red Sox podcast of firebrand -- dot com. In association with the years yet sweet spot network. I'm typically -- he -- that and Paul on jacked. I'm pumped it is game five tonight the Red Sox have fought all the way back Josh Beckett. John Lackey. In Anaheim are you ready. What are you ready. Not ready for -- gate simply we got one in 58 game now. Know him but. Now were -- not I thought we won game four."

" I'd muted denial we. Yeah I think we all. That we certainly happen. It. I don't know I'm not really describe it its its its its cons said it's weird feeling -- you invest so much into it which team and the team themselves that's allotted to season. And to do is go out like that. Here. We really know -- nothing. Definitely do that but that's your -- fault. It's it was it was not a good series. To decapitate and a and -- it is or Los Angeles Angels they. They did a good job and it was not the way that we. -- thought it would happen end. What we thought would happen don't -- too much of an apple thought would happen on the Minnesota yankees' side definitely in the way it was in it was certainly sounds if there was a big fat. The Yankees the -- that it's not. In those situations."

" It is that -- it's 888 year mine that. The wave this these regains it -- With not in -- back representative. Alone the 2000. Tom nine -- I think it was capsule. It's like -- up when things back. I guess that group that extra. So I guess this is -- point right. People will remember this it also the times that it was that. It was this that hat tip -- 95 when he so clearly what the price is right -- like we just we went. It stretches -- we get -- it on the road against it. That I agree clearly at the offense on the road with something Theo Epstein called out in in his last press conference after the season. As one of the deficiencies that this team. Com but we hear you got back apparently park had a 51 lead at one point. You know back up Buchholz can out of it well it. Yeah. And art isn't down in the seventh. And so now it's by Q and you turn the ball Wagner and then. That apple might think -- got this the Minnesota CU team sport like that mark you know says no don't let it -- game you know. For decades they'll let -- win game three we've got Lester at home Beckett on the road and watch out. The Beatles heard that two and 3COM. So I can see look at -- I mean EE. Where does the -- start does that mean that the ground ball Youkilis is -- start there that that put little pressure on Wagner. It was that fuel global ball. You know. Was it an air it was ruled -- double. Off. With his glove. It was no it was. I I thought it at least other arm artist actually."

" But -- single in his aunt and connect I think it all stance articles. And -- not I don't know. It doesn't matter yes I. Don't think the wheels rebel leader -- what can I wanna go back and see what we saw all season did not seek -- and he leaned on drop out at all in any change the Nazis he's done more good -- he's gone bad on he would -- give up -- in the."

" Did not have a strong performance football we sort this Jonathan Papelbon all year. She was not locked down for a while and it was a chance MED if you when -- of that series in any thought Jonathan Papelbon is --"

" Know everyone down every single time that no problem might think you're kind of delusional. --"

" I can't look at this second half at his second half of EP. It was not as it meet with a lot more dominant in the first it looked like it was actually -- these are certainly lots more dominant and exposure. You know at least they're going to the types of pitches that he will that the that we were used to the click it current quarter politically deal on on some. Three loss from athletes yet he threw fastballs and not great ones and left and now over the plea means a look at all."

" Back cannot trust in his pitches and then even you know even in the second half when it was good -- member at least two which regains wing -- loaded the bases and then it's not that's not good."

" You know one little bloop single to center field by eight of Vlad Guerrero is gonna score two -- step."

" The game on -- out on the last strike at three batters and he couldn't put any of those three batters. We could not. I mean -- that. The Jonathan Papelbon we go. -- He has no problem finishing people off and it looked like a lot of this season that was one of the name if -- there was criticism -- teaching people off he was not as consistent and as he's been -- past and to me it definitely goes back to pitch selection and in this letter which you didn't really seem pro at all this you know this -- State weakness fighter pound on the fastball com. I don't know I -- the yet I mean how do you do you pulp Terry Francona at all furcal we are under way -- that."

" I I here's the situation ET fault for going to account now on yet right deeply affect me. Why would mean that's it's I've heard it talked about late it's only for us that."

" It doesn't matter if it's only for a week it here's here's -- here you know you know."

" Playing backseat rider in all this in hindsight 20/20. You know Terry Francona."

" It's -- it's gonna be eight point that we mean. In at the time he gets off the mound and the -- back I think that athletes role would Ali as manager of the team probably. What's the worst it's gonna happen if you beat Wagner in the acting and let him get out. Eighty down want to run a three run homer eighty you know."

" Homer over at capital ties. -- I -- I this I I think. I understand and go to -- that's what he does that's would -- I have no problem making that I do think Wagner couldn't. He had the round ball the nucleus which. You global right and the walk which I believe accurate arm the secret to pitches -- it was and I remember thinking. It wasn't one of those walks that makes you feel like he doesn't have control stuff. There. Will be you know it didn't feel like it was one of those but now god we are seeing an implosion type walks."

" No absolutely not they any took a lot of the game to be made that decision and you can't fault that this is like migrant see Joe Girardi do it all the time Mariano Rivera because it happens that's what."

" Men do especially in the post season but I do think that that Wagner couldn't that a lot of that can't -- worst case scenario you're looking at a high ball."

" And then unfortunately you know we do have and I think the -- had -- it without apple market now many get too quick outs."

" You know if you one to Obama not. I'm I have are with that -- so her behavior notes due to end and then three. But it was. It was chaotic and can't walk and intentional walk in at those things the question why intentional walk in com. -- The percentage is if you look at it -- as ago that I think since the Grand Slam -- game. Three whatever it was backing them all four of the had a RBI. So definitely some things question but you know I think Terry Francona and it news. In an elite class managers and made the right move there what can make necessarily make it right but made a move that -- sex acts I."

" I agree I am I think you -- as you can talk about what might have happened in in in. I think he can you can you can make the you could ask the question could Wagner got out of that GM because that's not yet. A legitimate question but I. I don't fault. Apple -- statewide it Terry go to pap. Bat that I agreement. The Red Sox come back -- them. In the bottom of the ninth that you can see it right it's the basis welcome behavior. You're like okay everything's right the world I was nervous one provided. You and runs them come see me out here I am at a hotel get ready to Google wetting right so. -- I am thankful that I've watched the game a product and doing some other things or watch it. I'm now it is that the stock up on so quickly it was all -- all the sudden it was over. You knew that that the ninth inning there was -- Out for the -- company."

" That the only the only hope would be different practice that trouble the guy and that crowd would get back to this crowd which. -- was out of the crap so you Uga you if you wanna get the -- it is. He usually -- a few times that and how many of those times. Have you seen Papelbon failed."

" He win the you know the game I eat usually museum bills play the game ends like right then. It means that the crowds out of a nickel hole the other Gretzky you feel like I don't know I. It was the sixth it was the combination of feeling an eight in in the ninth it feels -- yeah to me. Com then just like -- give the home run and a 548 in the ninth inning when he comes in. Yeah that doesn't. -- This would just call me by surprise me if -- the only act sick and then it would it."

" Nice it would have been nice to one -- it's obviously. -- they -- the obvious that it would have been nice to see how western end. Came back country is threats and -- back it would have pitched. Tomorrow night and then. It was something I was looking forward I felt for one I can't hear. Again."

" Unfortunately not limit it to the."

" That it is -- much -- but they go back. It was -- reminiscent of that Red Sox should."

" they got into that fairness is is it fair to say that. Com. What you saw that this team in it -- even if they come back and win 345. And head to New York. Looking at it objectively now and at the two teams that we -- they would leave that first series. Do you think it would it's the chance against the Yankees answers. Search. And that we mean what was your feeling coming into the playoffs that call I -- I thought okay we're a better team I don't."

" I want this is your chance to change finance. I you know it's very -- the most yet but here's the thing the Yankees at this point."

" They're completely off base -- Yankee. Slug fest and it. But not the -- playoff baseball getting key hits and -- to -- then ninth inning it comin' back for two runs down. You know."

" In extra innings -- there's a home run by the way. In okay signing can save by the Yankees is Mark Teixeira seems to be doing pretty well the pressure that goes on he's."

" I would agree it I don't meant -- We can talk you know -- a lot about. You know the mistakes made by the Red Sox. Last offseason com and Mark Teixeira. I think being a lesson that they should learn from. Moving into next -- we'll talk about next year. It up coming to a whole hearts -- a lot of times of focus they -- you this year but at that pertains to Teixeira. I'll still -- team. That no matter what the Red -- he would have ended up yankees. And so while we compartment for cigarettes that's weren't aggressive because -- I -- this point that it would not agree that now. I also think. Realistically it. -- We might real little I know we have this -- because I realize we can get it that gets. It but. Let's say that puts -- this. Obviously teacher has stated obviously he has not only need com. -- it -- often better but he's the you've also helped it. Having another you know. The G that -- middle order back. Yeah the playoff but because you've got -- tenure there it's been Sheffield. Giambi. Right in the middle debris to the has had another real deal by -- hitter of his caliber there's not many. But now it's another one of his he's got another him in the lineup that takes a lot of."

" Sure it's gonna -- it but that would enable. When they're both hitting. And they're all coming -- clutch situation just makes it difficult spell that he would -- and I think Eagles beat the I think they stand a better shot at least. The pitching does that mean is that we didn't think that the pitching would do what -- it is now. I can honestly say didn't expect it but the residents took those pictures now those pictures they hop. I do believe for -- good pitchers that rotation. On it weakened state. -- And keep the -- in games that in that ain't that Los angels offense. I think -- score runs against the Yankees that. I I am absolutely an act of the biggest question mark on it that it's. -- it's serious. Talks like that. With. Pass split. You know the biggest question mark -- it's in the ninth -- yankees it. And how. It's it's as I can tell you one thing epic its equals. One lady. -- many blowouts -- that that pitching staff is. That's very good -- that there Anaheim and either one -- kind of supports up cats and five runs. They kind of come you know they -- could easily get more. It that they did."

" Predictions PLC is that we can -- the -- that a I don't know how much more we can talk about. Three games that mean we saw the offense not come in on the so problem mostly on the back it really does that the that's the only three topics were talking. For -- series if it would put that way. Ailes yes. Yankees angels will. I. I -- Eight. Angels. You volatile and that's that's that's think it's gonna. Five years losses. At at that that's. And you don't care what happened at that any tricks and it's not the Eagles and for that he's got. The oh. Well. -- let's take a further step back. -- they think this is the show that we put the the 2009 Boston Red Sox that it. Pastor to bet that that the pastor but that killed all but. Looking back on the season. Who do you think. Was the Red Sox MVP. -- like for me to go first I'm more than happy to -- we asked questions but I actually have an answer keyed up so people like he YouTube media peculiar. Go edit like Stan was -- I think that it's it's hard not to look at. The impact victor -- this team became a bit I don't think he was MVP I think he he was. It'll lot of ways he was exactly what Jason -- was to the team last year except better. And I would've given jail lot of -- Jason bailed we in the firebrand. Award last year but I would -- to go back to back years Mayan VP. Last year with Kevin Youkilis. In this year once again is kept us. I think when you look at -- yeah. You should even though we need a 130 something games and I think that was you know due to injury that's -- numbers look a little bit. The crease but if you take that 132 and you make it 155 like you might expect that you listen in the year that he was injured. -- that they get like 35 home runs and a hundred and you know ten RBIs are so. Com -- twenty average -- starts to look a lot more like an MVP type season. Are you."

" That's it that's one probably. You know. -- with its well but I I it will sells the look at the end VP. Media little bit different I would get. I'll actually combined -- most improved player or you know biggest impact I see don't want. And I see that person to -- yeah really do think -- com. To be a leadoff hitter Hughes solidifying. A Satterfield he's only gonna get better on eating. On routes on the ball and he's already pretty darn good at it -- Against an aunt and I just -- like his make up -- like I think key on I have all the tools to be you know that top of the order got that we. We can search for -- and now half its job. But technically as he is. Is the heart and select team ease ease the guy that goes out -- under center time. NN. Actually it probably is their anti TNT's could be meet Jason day except the two laps at a great two months. That month's great it's."

" public has had he didn't normal -- to middle of the season. Heat could be a 45 -- could be looking at a 45 home run guy. This season. Who leads the the RBI and other things will have plenty time to talk about what the talks with it -- moving forward but I think. He's potentially another deserve it yeah. Candidate that look at four EP com. I think it Ellsbury is it stick I was done with. The guys on the sports up 95 this morning do little -- recap of the season. When the series and look forward. One thing I noticed in the in my research we need that because unit. You mentioned in his post season -- a conference that -- defense and hitting on the road to weaknesses of the participants that so. The I understand Lugo in the -- opposition and lol yeah some that's the early in the season but it's like defensively this team was. Averaged better than average they would do you know that. And at times very good. And sue I went and some of the defense of numbers and I wanted to look at kind of some missteps that talked through range and expected outs versus actual notes and put out some things and one thing that struck me as I looked at the numbers was that by some -- modern range from. Zone -- kind of statistics. Jacoby Ellsbury losers was -- loser. Was. One of the worst center fielders range -- in baseball. That he'd made dramatically less outs versus what Ann -- center fielder should have made. Given it you know areas that he covered now I think. It's clearly not because he does have she picked up because he can't get to balls. I look at it is because he has the copper such a week left fielder and because of the way he positions -- Fenway Park. That you know he's he doesn't get the ball that others that are -- might position differently. Com or that G-8 GB to take is more -- balls that are on a normal it's the normal center fielder might get on the outside the outlook is Jacoby happening. Q cover -- inequity it inefficiencies. Com in range at this area though I use photos that I didn't expect to see Keiko we'll spirits at as a statistically it negatively I that there is I think it falls on decent and is. Bomb inability to cover a lot of ground and I think that that's a little bit more impact on the defense in the outfield then we might. That's the only thing I could see when idiotic and a sense."

" It will -- the -- and that's why -- like those. Or don't get. If you watched coach Leo. -- You clearly know it's fast that it illegally gets. If he's that fast it's so many balls on the eyes or you know are stretched. The average set a few others not on it apple Aiken and based on the I don't know if that's what that's why I think that's they're tumbling out yet yeah. I agree renting these and other. If you take active ingredient park. That's it last. Last. Well I get -- and my point wasn't much for crucified elder eat the ball more to make a point about. The GL IN season the that it which surprises me as well as -- I -- study the defense. Equations. Is well -- On that is. Your your action and a lot of it that's something that truly joint you get a lot of -- I don't I -- see with my eyes and believe they're not com. I was one of the questions I had about eight Q what's it improvement over any tires left acts yet don't like not be so much."

" And it's in the day watching ease -- pretty --"

" Feel -- he's actually not worry I think he might be worse than any Ramirez is -- that we parks specifically. Any disfigured -- at his own little world. Figured it out crap. Alter the -- all that bounce off the the old. All there in tree. But he didn't look good going -- pity them he did not -- not an end there was another one that was like kind of in the gap. -- I mean that is."

" That that is the thing that I look at it doesn't. Press field there he's not terror and I guess eighty cents Jim writes since we have inadequately. -- the Gator."

" Fi gear and put it it Beatrice I mean once again talk about next seasons ago but I think this. I think it's back it's gonna be central to their conversations around bringing decent date back not so much often that -- the slump at the increase strikeouts in the lower contact rate that Jason they have this year. I think it's gonna be rooted in Q for the next. -- many years for five years you have -- And I think. -- discovers he's done this year. Defensively. At scares me and I think it impacts. Your defense you know across the outfield. Com -- Jacoby cover a lot more ground and you know. Have to cheat batters differently -- they would if they have tomorrow or -- there. I have. -- kind of agree on was the most only player hum coming into the season we passed often. Who was going to be the the biggest supplies Paul. I know our caller. The Olympic called in and in. Gave us some feedback. Suggests that Mike lol would be that big surprise that I think for much of the season we said. Well actually deliver a little bit more or what we expected he should deliver. Wouldn't necessarily say he was the the the big surprise player. To me it was Jacoby Ellsbury was the biggest kind of improvement are surprised at the player that I think we got more out of that we X you know then we might have expected. It it would jump out at you is kind of taking met mental this year."

" I think -- night 100% agree -- Ellsbury was my pick up your life but he was your -- to shore. I think had to pick a pick up my depict Hitler but denied -- I think it started with Larry but experts and Jason Bay I remember correctly -- At which it now. Right so. Teacher was surprised me I thought you know he put it together for a longer period -- Not this year I'm usually. He gets he goes through -- month stretch in unseemly it must patriots' would have read stretch -- com."

" The -- about JD Q were very telling that the European it is you know kind of at the ended its season that you know he. On doesn't get the credit that he deserves for his contributions because the style player years and it. You know if you look at. -- over the course of -- time the Red Sox he's been. One of the top five outfielders in baseball by almost every statistical measured defensively and offensively. The things that they look at right not at batting average her pure power with the all the things they look -- people's GT they've gotten. I think deal with the GUNC money well spent I've gotten exactly what I expected actually getting more. Via more than my twelve million dollars with belly for a player. I think that's what he would."

" I well I this year certainly I was more press and the -- bouts and then you know. Overall you know Bart was really nice -- that is the other person but I had it and it in mileage here -- The emergency Daniel Bard was."

" I think we expect ticker -- Right that he get a chance but this just to see. What gets me is him that you did the -- to see when that when the slider is on. It's just it's unhittable. Like Sunday since you can't have -- at the likes that I actually pleaded can he come back up at eight. Articles that as like I have yet here it he's a comic -- that I think he get like another. How can fault Francona Clinton lacked you know like how could you want aren't like your account could -- I decide if I can't believe he took about really the public I think it's two innings sees its they for a third. Another play the that would give them credit do and it. I think Google. Loss that season was too -- for the first half of the season mitigate. Arm when he pitched when he was healthy and there I think he exceeded expect it to its future. On and I do wanna give it to the cabinet I don't know that I can you. I think that that he was injured. What we expected -- you met type of work ethic he can tip -- to his performance. Let's leave it right into the next residency at least my it to the next it was the biggest disappointment. That's easy. Well this tip our I've got I -- these two people to keep -- three candidates. Who's yours. Well mine com -- apple. I'd done tonight goes great with with McDyess came up to."

" Clearly -- you know it to -- basically forgot about food fight. On the team I think it is my answer that Daisuke. Yeah I think I completely forgot. I'll put it in the list goes on pitching immediately. In a cap on this is as dominant as as you and in the past. At the same time they it was -- on John Smoltz uses cutting with the uses T skirt that was huge disappointment. There was a lot of it -- points honesty. Turkey's. Expertise experts while. Take away the first month that it. Over the course of the season probably not it's -- it's not a black coal like many the other people that match with the exception to opt out. I -- he took a step back this year in all the hearing all this year was he's doing this so that it was stronger than ever October."

" Didn't work. At it and will spend any of time. Over the next couple episodes talking about what that means the future Jonathan pal one. You know lots of conversation. Already brewing arm around a topic that it'll be interesting to see that lays out. -- for for me obviously Daisuke was was the biggest disappointment. Com. The the other person that jumps out and -- really just because of what happened in the back half of this year is just back. I thought. We would -- judgment that first happened -- how to how to get things going all the sudden wheels fall off and and now I have questions over is Josh Beckett the type of player when his contract comes up that you wanna re sign. For four years as your ace. Right -- your number one -- opium and I think that Lester street and a mental but I also think that. Suddenly the Red Sox. I think they may be in the market over the next year -- for. A hot plates -- And it could be because they. Maybe Josh Beckett is not in their long term -- I don't know but I I'm my competence is a little bit shaken in just spent that he's a very good -- Very good Major League pitcher. I think IIIX. Eight. I thought again I don't mean but -- he he's still Axel but he's he. Is -- that guy right."

" I think we don't know a lot of things in -- like I I don't to keep it healthy is."

" As may be you -- in the flu thing came out immediately as more baby he's hiding something you know he's got a twelve million dollar option. Eight wants to pick up."

" and so."

" And I kind of ports on that pitches little pain. I'm hoping it hurt himself -- admitted it was okay maybe it's maybe he's just ill people -- amount but you can't. It just seems like you can't have those stretches. Of greatness and then fall like that unless something's not right. --"

" Well it'd be any TE did it it was -- and help the right does Becky -- and other Q it's too. Josh Beckett or because. It's that the effort is the most innings he's pitched in his career this year. You kind of think at least -- I look at Josh Beckett I think that's of course right. You'll feel like he's a you know a fragile picture by the way he carries himself on the mound but. Pedro Martinez pitched more innings more often that over the course it is feared that Josh Beckett did. You wouldn't expect that looking at eight. -- packet physically so. You know I really great idea. Up until the seventh he looked good. Game two looked really sharp. And actually keep them -- didn't happy -- greeted -- with -- and particularly the getaway."

" If beaches and if they get an."

" I have some tough decision to make an obvious move it and that."

" You don't like Faulkner's urges. Josh Beckett a pretty unhappy or happy on the team and and it it's a good way to put epic but -- Beckett."

" Overall looking back in the season. On the despite still -- too little large. What do you take away from from this team -- characterized. You know this team and we looked back as you nick what 03. Was. Dramatic and but I still ballot look back on that -- three team a little bit more -- right there were fighters they fought. They set the stage for 04. You know that have gotten good feelings about that team even though that they they went -- it. 05. Those that 95 win team in the cup opener Leo for for a BO BS but it takes too well to remember that. There was no -- Curt Schilling closed for majority of the second half of that season. That stuff all just kind of flipped back slowly as you -- with a get a good feel for that team. On 06 it lets -- floundering. A little bit. -- at seven in the Mexico you can kind of feel personality of each team I wonder how this team's gonna gonna -- down."

" use at work or how is he at a personality all year there was an. Eight that was it'll win at all I can't update we lose like you we weren't in it teaches it wasn't. In other client -- yankees I'm gonna walk offs is having. A 162. Is sitting -- a you know -- wasn't those moments with this Red Sox team just kind of seemed like they were professional about their business that one games they've lost games and it moved."

" Evan Evan brought that up in -- in his cut of the summary looking back on on the out the plan palaces that they the they didn't house. The heart. The lack of a he called it like an energy right that he expects about this team in not so much on the view of the in the -- eat it notice them. Pointing at each other you know. Having fallen. Coming out and in doing the things that previous teams that that this was like you said a professional team. And maybe. Maybe that's book out of an end maybe maybe what frank complained about the Yankees all last year. Deep in the --"

" this year. Quite quite possibly."

" It's just wasn't a Red Sox team this wasn't the Red Sox games of past and where her. We're getting to the point where it's going to the we will talk about it I -- or want me I want X I I can't we don't wanna talk about changes. Things but it might last week -- their Xbox. Is the season much the offseason much change has just. -- You can now be able to get it like deputy."

" Wasn't used here's a question of making it -- yeah I mean there are certain players that are core to this T. Right that we can agree right now without talking -- the future are going anywhere Dustin Pedroia Kevin -- Jon Lester right. These are the players that there had just been extended son from JD you're not going where -- Jacoby Ellsbury. -- in some forfeiture -- but likely not and so when you look at the call for of this team score. But he's the fire they are. Where is the problem. With the core in the."

" Not at its core I out of Saddam. I don't -- Having eclipses that far the Torre's exit from my type of fire. It might not -- what you eat unique and I'm not -- here at Yankee. Aggies beat you needed Nick Swisher or RRR Kevin Malarkey eat personalities. That kind of unique. I'm gonna say you need a -- ever -- that's where I'm going to get you eat it doesn't have to be the numbers that maybe without the need. --"

" Not candidate is now."

" Well our next week with a that I."

" Are they -- it but let's talk about that exact point for -- Did it do you think that now looking back. Yeah. Many this spectacle that was Manny Manny being Manny moments that. What we all thought was it detriment. To this team in this clubhouse. Was actually played at different. A different part than anyone expected in the way of chemistry. Of this team. Came together with there was a unifying force for them to be angry and I -- do you mean like I don't know but. There are definitely tangible differences you don't."

" One was that an EC. East team in green monster. Run and on the field -- America -- the Manny moments."

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" Eating get his way cry. And that's our. So what events they are being added that no no question all the players well -- didn't go back on that. And I thought this agreement. That -- is a problem and a clubhouse at the because let's get options. So yeah it's at yet yes that's that's. Things like that and watched the reason why the Red Sox probably -- him for so many years was. The view it in our news. -- and -- the east aren't infiltrating the clubhouse audit."

" Our mission traveling secretaries down on that stuff and it's time ago."

" But the maybe -- that is a player that the players tight you know that personality that time well I'll."

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" It's art it's on me now what you do want -- is people care that much you'll also need a balanced."

" Maybe doesn't care just as much can be kept -- the collapse."

" Yet -- looking at this team this year. Yet looking back on Vegas and got the patch from little but it. They're they're ones that -- fun. And I couldn't because it and -- it costs in the circumstance. A lot of this team was in some turmoil or another a lot this season whether beat the pitching staff then you know. Smoltz and and pentium apple I mean yeah it seem like there was. There wasn't a period of time where this team was allowed to use the itself and -- may was wouldn't want victor Ricky is -- in the trade deadline passed. And you -- that nice impressive stretch at home. -- that maybe that was the time with the team was most like you know. Try to -- night entity."

" But made the team also and the other thing in those eighteen and really had the chance to carve out an identity like a lot of it was. So much turnover. You know. You're starting shortstop is gonna be jet -- OK it's not get Larry it's gonna be victory in its its unexplained Alex Alex well you know your your don't forget Julio Lugo. There. -- that right yes forgot about that guy."

" And then Ian eagle rate down to it it's gonna be audience colts -- faults and."

" Hurled it and then ball's not and it's also it's where -- thanks Jake come back Buchholz kitchen. Wakefield and not play."

" open that we thought was that one of the best hope that that you are the kind of bring in Billy Wagner is so that I something sneakers Delcarmen it premieres of welcoming. If -- it never felt like anybody was products settled. In it except for -- true because he --"

" and then end but it. The key things of the 03 team you know they lost but the channel four and 07. And last year was it was the -- for the old part time with the exception immediately obviously. Of -- week but. It was they had a chance to develop it wasn't. In -- was the other guy. So we give away a lot of money contracts is the this season. On."

" It must -- legacy and at some point. That did the now -- this is a team record Norton's."

" A bit they've -- it felt more like door and then they felt like like people want. Or like maybe maybe like Jake like Tom Barrett right Mike is baseball. Yeah go I don't know what it was but it definitely didn't have. It didn't have the appeal as far as excitement lies -- detector can come back. I think. Wilderness the -- solid stuff meaty piece was a year of transition. More than a year to."

" now now we see things one day decline the easy things years and that truck off tests -- I'm sure they have a plan. Hope that Clinton's not a lot of money to -- injured players."

" You're done with that strategy. Yet you know that if you don't see that anymore. All right so we're gonna talk about specifics for next year but here's here's where we can -- On the scale of notable change. Resigning current players a tweak here -- there too. Shocking wholesale turnover which -- Things like. The nowadays. Well the trade of people that have been on this team for two or more years multiple but I liked it that their their shake up. We have. In the middle. Solid free agent signing or two. Subtle beat him movement and Oscar rights of the caliber of the spectrum weird do you think this offseason will fall. Tom by the time we roll on the spring training for 2000. If we're willing to part piece that's. This will be a major overhaul doctor traits. Do you think. And I don't know if you've heard the is press conference or read I read that that is that you I've really got all of my -- it's -- tactic. -- that put this that ye do you. He said as much is. We've been talking with Jason day yet our rotation next year is he now. Lester back it basically -- Wakefield who we expect to be back. Com. Were considering Alex -- like okay you're yeah we think that we have one more year with this team together before chemicals that. Basically seeing. There's not going to be -- don't expect much -- the do you think he's just won't smoke right now he's got he could go many different ways he's just saying that because it's the right thing to say right now it's China you know."

" It is try to give to -- about Celtic at the point of they're one way or another it's it there's got."

" Just by. The fact of what we have for free agents but we have an expired contracts decisions that we eight."

" It's gonna be a major change. --"

" I mean talk about what those are I have that's an I am talking TO lately about a make the argument though that you could see. Next year starting day. The exact same lineup. That you saw start. Games 12 and three of the -- Possibly. That that's any let up. That's in the cards that I mean you could have the same -- short same starting rotation. It in but at the same time you could -- a major depart I don't think we've -- offseason like this in a long time because it's -- it's it's always been been there's been major change coming it's because there were major pieces -- like. That you had to decide let them leave -- bring it back. It's you know there's. This team is for the most are under control. And the people that are in control arm like Jason pay your. He's one of the people that you likely have packet there's no it'll ugly feelings so it's it's definitely going to be a much different post season. Armed on this -- that pass and depending on how aggressive. Com. They wanna be they can go lot of different angles and like you said it depends on what they're willing to -- with because it will have to be done through the -- market. And you're not gonna give up -- now you're not. You know again like you said. 133 beat saint -- it just people. It's those spots. In at fifty. It's the dominant to a I think Leo the torso is yet to take the time not to get caught up indium in the NFC baseball it primers that it. Line sports Rio the last treaties that are very reactionary. Yeah. Com. But we'll save that for next week -- think it's really published an Apollo. But that -- that figure one -- get creative. Will be interesting that. I guess that puts to rest that a 2009. Season Paul it's been. I think it's been a lot of fun girls that -- about the team which it had. More dramatic. Layer at the end it was the more -- to work with let. That you look forward to the off season in com let's just starting out that I know it's time for heart disease and now -- appears to wear shorts and a teacher with 45 degrees here is that it about right. -- In 94. Cents at. Our temperatures were eight complete palindrome -- 4994. Well -- that's been episode number 64. A fireside -- off to watch first picked for did you Anaheim packets that warming up on the robbers so game five. It's time call back in my little world but it's. Next."