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" Talking about trans national America. We Donald p.s of Dartmouth who says it's the next big idea. In American cultural and political studies. This is open source in American conversation with a global attitude we call it from the Watson institute at Brown University. This one is about the master narrative of the US. In the world. And there are a lot of dots to connect in this fall of 09. Even around President Obama is rethinking of the confrontation he inherited in Afghanistan. Is this story a clash of civilizations. Is that. Us against them is it can do it to al-Qaeda or the Taliban before they do it to us again. Could it be us we -- them. Plus for them. And what does he had to do with how you read Moby Dick. No rules will know from 1851. A parable of America endangered many have said. Or within its global crew of sailors on the -- because. And -- those exotic heroes aboard like this LC pagan Greek Craig. Did America in that Moby -- parable Stanford. Something more universal something in a word. Transnational."
" Donald -- you -- is this idea that this shift underway in the narrative of America. On campuses. How is the changing. Master story gonna reach the culture in general the supermarket factory. The tavern Wall Street main street or has it already."
" I think that Obama is one of the figures to whom this transformation is taking place he has positioned themselves. At the site of that deepest rift yen. -- a space of a man. America is simultaneously. The most lonely. Of superpowers. That wants to enforce the rule of law across the globe. That's America constructing itself as an exception. The laws of nations. Then there's the other face -- market which is as the most. Open. And non. Integrated not a some relative. Public's fears it's a nation of immigrants but it is a nation that is also hospitable to persons from. Across the planet and one. Barack Obama goes to Europe. And positions himself as the other side of American exceptions he says I'm an American except nobody with my story could have become the leader of the free world. Anywhere but in America. But the same time as he says that he then disassociate himself. From the position of America as the enforcing. Exception. And instead identifies himself. As a cosmopolitan. As a citizen of the world as a figure who wants to become part of the conversation. Cultures across this planet. And he becomes thereby figure who is not merely representing. America. To the world. He is also -- figure who's bringing the world to America. And letting America know that the world has always already bin. In America."
" It's a funny -- but it's a perfect Q2 two the speech he gave in Berlin during the campaign. I think we should just listened to and then you can. Pull it apart. This was Barack Obama not yet nominated but on the way. Digress into Berlin in July 08 speaking to a huge crowd in the kindergarten."
" I come back to Berlin. As so many of my countrymen have come to school. Although tonight I speak to you not a very candidate for president. But as good as. I'm proud citizen of the United States. And a fellow citizen of the world."
" Okay."
" I know old and that I don't look like we Americans who previously smoke in this race. The third day and then let me here as improbable. My mother was born in the heartland of America. My father grew up hurting dollars and ten. His father. His father. My grandfather. We'll talk but domestic servant to the British. At the height of the Cold War. My father decided like so many others. In the forgotten corners of the world and it appears you're. His dream. Require the the freedom and opportunity promised by the west. And so he wrote letter after letter to universities all across America. Until somebody. Somewhere answered his prayer for a better life."
" There's the trans national Obama. At a critical moment and he never looked happier about seeing those were so many connections he's a refugee innocence from colonial world he's Kansas. He's sensitive to the indignity of being a servant in. In the British empire but no more that America answers a prayer for a better life. To me the beautiful thing there is and he held up America not as a world leader much as a world ruler but as the world's story. He ran. As it turns national leader that was very daring. At the moment. Can he govern that way can he presides over."
" Those are a series of very important questions and let me yeah go to. First one. Take off from there one Obama goes to Berlin. The Berlin Wall is no longer there and he's. Deliberately. Contrast. He is salutation. From his most vivid predecessors. Kennedy and Reagan. He doesn't say as Reagan did terror down this wall and he doesn't say as Kennedy -- it is bin Ein Berliner. He instead identifies himself as it wants a citizen of America. And a citizen of the world but a world debt now dreams once again. For an America that can become what could be called at transnational. Utopia. Not an America that will be the Europeans dream up a fresh start for the west in a new world. But for. Our figures across this planet who shared that dream of his father. For. A mobility. And an authority. And freedom. That he believed he could only achieved. By accomplishing the transition that transit. From his homeland. Secure America. And and his return to his home. Obama in the circulation of the dream up his father. Is the figure through whom his father can -- term. With a sense. Dignity. That he may not have achieved were -- not having passed through. The image of this -- who bore his dream and turned it in to the reality. Of change is gonna come. Oh Obama was two drinks he was the dream that has been dormant patent. Endlessly differed in America. Perhaps since the civil war. For a completely multi racial utterly. Free. And totally multi cultural social order not -- He is they figure who -- having. Moved from. Aspirations of his Kenyan father. To the dream of his 68. -- his mother comes from the dream up 1960. And he correlated ghost two creeps. Into a passion. To become as he ran for president a signify there and floating six. You could project as he was running for president. Whatever status. You wanted for change on to Barack Obama he did not. Materialized. Fixate or specify. Particular rise the fantasy that he solicit. From all of the figures who wanted him. To bring about change. Once he became president. He had to transpose what could be called -- eight multi directional. Drain. -- multiple. Fantasy into a specific policy of leadership. And that required him two. Takes some very. Strong stance and to establish. A distinction. Between himself. And his predecessor. George Bush. Most important distinction he established was that distinction between what he called overseas contingency operations. And Bush's global war on terror. The global war on terror was what transposed the United States and to the sole superpower the -- With the capacity in the name of searching out terrorists to control as it it's the new definition of sovereignty. All the circuits of interconnection across the planet. Yen a global economical order the figure who can control. All the circuits of interconnectivity. Is that figure who has the keys to -- to. When Obama disassociate it from Bush's global war on terror. He. Produced at face for the world that some. Political -- calls the soft soft face of American power the ideals. Of America. But he simultaneous to did something that he didn't plan to do. What George Bush knew. When he constructed the global war on terror. Is that by doing that he would be able to take all of the heat on truly elements of this national war. The national militia which became associated with the black -- military group militia groups. In Iraq and -- And back -- to Afghanistan. As well as the religious fundamentalists he and position them. As allies in the war on terror the global war on terror when Obama. Eliminated the and a the universal and the terrorist. He produced. Internally. The rift that is now resulting in all of the paramilitaries. Who otherwise would have remained. Aligned with the global aren't here at all of the religious fundamentalists. To construct it conjoined status. Of Obama. As a man who could not possibly be president quit because he could not possibly have been born in America. That's that the fantasy that's being constructed. Of Obama than transnational American leader. Is an immigrant without his papers. Who not only shouldn't be president. But who should instead. Be construed. As a soft terrorist. Obama or lost. The capacity. That George Bush had mobilized. To transform. Internal enemies into an ally. And a global war. Because he has disassociated himself from the global work. He's now. Subject to all of the forces. That were controlled domestically. But that."
" Don't these this is fascinating and a little bit scary. I thought it was -- for Obama to run openly as in that -- moment. As the trans national candidate how he'd lose that standing as president he didn't."
" lose the stand as president. But -- the right is now -- him that he belongs. Two. And quotes Horan nations he is not really. America the big transnational. In Obama is red -- show open tests nativist its first America's first first. I'm religious fundamentalist militia groups. As a way of being soft on security. As a way up failing to protect and defend the homeland. Not eleven. Released. A whole series of primal anxieties. -- In a sense. George Bush mobilized. And regulate it with a global terror. When you dissipate that war and you say the globe is not a space that is terrorized. But is instead of space in which. Persons from all over this globe. Can become. Partners. Yen and a transnational project to achieve. Best aspirations of the planet ecologically. Militarily. Economically. That. That figure becomes four. America for daughters who have -- I'm terrified in two. A complete identification. With the Homeland Security. On that project can be interpreted as the work of an enemy as the work of the terrorist which is what how they're trying to construct. --"
" How does -- win the campaign. You know eight. Again John McCain and seemed to be losing the campaign during a scramble anyway with the rate as president."
" He wins the campaign with John McCain primarily. Because of the sub prime mortgage crisis went all the credibility in the market is displaced from the market and affected onto a dream come true. You can see a deep association it can affected. That means invested -- means taking it's the -- effective energy she would have -- say to one love object. And it's projecting them onto another love object if if the market. And the home for the homeless. Became the primary locations to the American dream when the sub prime mortgage crisis yet. The American dream was looking for a dream object and Obama was to treatment option if you know his. After -- after those conventions McCain was gathering. Force against Obama every week until the sub prime yet. When the sub prime crisis yet. This the locus for Americans really ups the credit. The that. All all of our all of our credit all of our sense of credit and credibility is also structured and aren't deep dream mechanism yeah. Oh Obama is a man of dream. His father's dream his mother's dream is. Fan's dream. And he knows how that trans pose waking dream work. Into a recognizable. Representation. Are. A number of goals. So one Obama took the deepest American. During. That everyone can achieve prosperity that I bought it and linked it to the deferred dream. Raisin in the -- one daddy and then associated that with one of the most. Memorable. On Sam -- songs that became a kind of and hand them throughout the the sixties. He change you can change is gonna come he condensed all of those dream objects. It in to a persona. In which he didn't have to do anything but it's address his audience as you. You however you. Project me. I will be -- projection that papacy rejection. For you. One. That. Fantasy projections. About. It -- steps. -- successful which was after the separation from. Sub prime credit crunch all the credibility -- reinvest it in him. Heat he was he it was not defeat of the Republicans. Ran a very sappy. -- campaign. When. John McCain constructed himself as the POW. From Vietnam he was trying to a race Abu Ghraib from public consciousness by -- I -- the figure they did it to. You cannot remember Abu Ghraib and holt. The nation responsible. Brown I eradicate that figure he was working at the level but -- figure. One. They chose Sarah Palin Sarah Palin becomes the equivalent of a pioneer mother pioneer won't. She -- beat the at the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan regressed the nation to the site of the colonial settlers in relation with the Indians that is. They regressed the American people to the position in which sheer aggression. As a way of -- re appropriate and dignity and positions at home became the deepest asked active resource. When Sarah Palin came and she was at the colonial mother she was the -- colonial -- archetypal colonial mother. From the period that the Indian removal act. Who said she would willingly sacrifice. Not only the son who was already in Iraq. But any child. Who who who she wore. In the name. Of the security of the homeland so they're Republicans were running a very smart fantasy campaign. And if you'd if you noticed they also knew that that in the event that broke the back of the president was Hurricane Katrina. That's why Obama held that he. Convention just on the date Hurricane Katrina because that was literally the date at which the homeland became totally insecure. You saw an event in nature. Produce. Eight homeland that that was literally disappearing into the city. Without the president doing anything to secure it. And when. -- event happened. The public suddenly disconnected from Homeland Security. And reconnect it to opposition to the war."
" this is completely fascinating I think you're a literary critic in Brasilia. -- cycle analysts. Literary critics are bad part Chris Stockwell -- you can't be a decent literary critic without believing I think in the psyche this."
" Keep Obama. And all those strategies in mind but I wanna digress and a significant way. To a book that I love it and that you revived in reintroduced. On the meaning of Moby Dick for modern Americans the book being mariners renegades in castaways. Written by the late great COR James. This two deals with the transnational idea. Admitted transnational reality today. TI James black Trinidad again a black nationalist but also. I -- vote scholar English literature. And American Melville factory above all. He wrote in this book on Moby Dick that devoid -- because it is the voyage of modern civilization. Seeking its destiny. They have stood. As you always does for a sort of totalitarian obsession. His -- knowing that officers. Like star Americans. Turned out to be goal all along guys part of the problem they could've prevented disaster that they didn't. In the -- treating you Ishmael who lived to tell tale. Was no hero in James is reading he too might have stopped they have but he caved in the crew. From every nation corner of the world. Other victims of the -- but they're also the only heroes and not just the most skillful semen. But as James writes they would the most generous and magnificent human beings on board and especially. The south -- cannibal creek day. Embodies the universal idea of skill. Courage. A heart. I want you to take that reading apart and and release it. To. Obama as well today and maybe even. As I can't help doing reading Moby Dick relate. Obama too quickly."
" That's a very press when -- James. Decided to. Right his wonderful commentary Moby Dick he had been forcibly. Separated from his apartment. By our NSA agents. And thank -- you -- in 1952 June 10 1952 man in black suits came to his apartment. And told him that he had to go with them to Ellis silent and await. A decision over his deportation because of the activist work he performed. Over the preceding. Twenty years. When -- James goes to Ellis Island. He doesn't simply. Take up. The commentary where he left off he experiences. His having been forcibly this effort. From his home -- placed on Ellis Island. With X belies. Outcasts. Renegades. Political prisoners from across the Platte Richardson Wade -- has described the crew of the people which put this -- extra yeah exactly the way you described. And he he he changes his entire position. When you're subjected to the full force of the law. By I have asks that you don't have any right of hate this corpus you don't have any right to defend it. No no longer an online. What James does is he goes to the moment in -- builds text in which he feels that Melville has broken a promise to the reader. Any -- habits. And he speaks the unspoken. Of Melville and he describes the unspoken of -- Phyllis this. -- In the passage in which he addresses the spirit of liberty sets and he wants to make the meanest mariners renegades that castaways the true heroes of this book. Which means he wants to enable them to revolt. Against captain may have. He says that Melville had this intention him but he didn't achieve it because he was afraid. Of criticism. He made it degree quick and the -- why don't you the options or the crew. Stop the madness yes he makes it he makes -- the crucial question and the -- does something. More than that. I can't emphasize this enough because it's. It's that profound imaginative act he performs. He inhabits the deepest master work of American literary culture. That the work that has been it's used by the State Department to spread American -- values across the globe in the heyday of the Cold War work eight halves. Totalitarianism. Is understood to be opposed successfully. By -- males liberal democratic position. And this band becomes the predictor. America's success and Nicole -- what. James does is he says that Ishmael is a version an intellectual version of a hat he's not an opponent of a -- But he hit bit they have capacity to a -- that decision. It's is attractive to each. Because each -- can't decide he's like a Libby he says he's like most liberal intellectuals who turn ambiguity and ambivalence. In to a political virtue. And a chain says this is precisely what allows a figure who is as mobilizing in -- as they have to prevail. Each -- meets the over determination. Eight halves indecisiveness. In order to eight to sustain. He is in decision his his attitude that decision what. What James does is he is he happens. Bill bill's pros at a moment in which he's in the Asian. The lowest. Of the crew. As the greatest tragic hero. On the ship what -- sees that no one sees. Is that. -- Has. Produced it -- For pay trans national. Multi cultural. Completely. Hospitable. Ship of state. That. Only the Mariners renegades and castaways."
" Strategies. Is that one of the chapter forty -- 41 and rich. Save us from all over the world from the Netherlands from JD from you know from Mars practically are all partying and it's one of the great. Celebrations in the whole book connect that vision of the heroic. Castaways that trans national crew. The only hero in the book. To the Obama vision of the -- trans national moment and transnational leadership."
" Where it went. 9/11. Produced a decisive. Change and Americans self representation. It no longer with the verge of flat. It was a lab it was susceptible. Two. Injury. As all other lands on the planet had. -- the nation was returned. Through that catastrophe. To the deepest tribal memories of America what America was in the 1830s. Is what bush recalled. -- America. Before it became integrated as a set of states. The different seated to Canada from the United States from Mexico. From. All of South America. Was pace spaced it was hospitable to every traveler from across the planet. America was. Was the space for a new beginning for our renewal mom planetary existence for everybody across the below. With whereas not eleven awakened the yen. Bush colonial aggression. That catastrophe simultaneously at. The moment of the tip of the discoveries so called. In which America became. The the locus the transfer station. Four movements. Of every trade group. And every form of travel across the planet America before it became in quotes the land of immigrants. Was a completely open. Space. Four figures throughout the world. And that's that's what."
" It it's it's as if it is as if Melville who fields the civil war comic. You feel that he knows the war is -- and he knows what that will mean he knows that it wants the civil war comes. That that that the imperial state formation that north. Will that produce an imperial state formation it will produce an isolated nation he knows that. And the same time as he constructs a -- plot it would she shows that catastrophic outcome of that with a happy ish -- Spybot. He's producing at the same time this alternative. To. Which is any minute and space which is they. The space of open hospitality. Endless hospitality. To every stranger. Across the -- That's the crew. Jennings is vision of the crow is that where they they listen to a hat -- go on and go along with his fiery got. And then. Than James says that the ankle about what they do which is what they love to do which is still work. That gives them their freedom and their life for four this killer James the -- paid no attention. To captivate hat when it came to doing their labor they only look at that as a kind of public spectacle. When he reduced. A a scene that was so fix it they -- the separate -- eight they have. Crist is it figured that is he's got the secret oratory. In that if you really know if it it orator who who is completely spelled by. Is -- figure who's not speaking to a public he's speaking with. All of the regulatory. Key words. That produces a -- he he's producing as the force of speech. Rather that communicative. Dimension speech. And the crew. Feel -- hill. By his sports. Is the law is speaking itself law unlike other speech access the capacity to produce as a sentence. A beat. It out a word becomes -- in law. He had speaks of the forcible law cents."
" come back to. Barack Obama by by a double digression. The primate. Two. Joe O'Neal's novel neverland. Which was a direct application of CLR James is sinking to new York and United States yes after nine elevenths. And we know that the president read -- and -- are terrific book. This is tricky because. This is James the cricket enthusiast COR James having grown up and in Trinidad mastered the columnist game. And of course -- Indian creditors transformed. The whole international competition. He adopted the game of cricket James did as a sort of framework. Of the world order. Built around. Rules and rivalry. But it gave the space for upward mobility for the talented poor folks in the British empire that they. -- in the Caribbean and India in Africa. Along comes -- O'Neill analyst who's a prisoner himself. In that -- he uncovers an underground network of cricket players in New York cricket league. Great character. Truck -- Kasun jamaicans. Who believes that America will find itself -- new. In a world. By embracing cricket. The sport of the global Europe. Ethnicity then we hear that President Obama is reading this book. And saying great things about it. Decipher all that all those messages about the transnational."
" Let me let me look mix of linkages that you've made to the question. In a sense. Sealer James turned Moby Dick into a cricket game. In which he -- new rules. And played -- A different a different and the rule prior to his reading that was to you can't read it in any way other than a way that ratifies the opposition between -- banishment. He produced a secondary -- And he allowed figures who have been on represented previously approved. To become the primary. Euros that's doing -- in a -- but it. A form of life called literature. What James salt marketers do. On a cricket field bit which he he's he he paid attention. In cricket to the way in which a certain players. Style of play. Could result in the need to produce a new rule. In cricket. Were just the freedom. Of the way -- play. By figures who were not over hyper regulate it. By a the rules of the game. Court at a eight a play that were acquired the production of a new rule. Which was four COR James. That that the manifestation of the freedom. Of the colonize other in relation to colonizing power because it was the way in which you -- subverted. The British Raj. -- the other name for raptors and in the world the world of Barack Obama's father grandfather and and it -- in the very name."
" Following. Those rules. The -- James -- cricket as a means. Trance posing a colonizing space you learn cricket and ordered to become. One of the civilized. In the British empire. He turns that space into space in which could redefine civilization. To include everybody not imperial civilization and eight transnational. Civilization that is hospitable to unassailable up next the deepest dispute the deepest understanding of multicultural. Is although similar below that when you would try to assimilate out of this to pre existing categories you denies. The the difference that and other Macs to a culture but. But the unassailable other parts of the cricket field of the they pequot. And of Barack Obama if you if you take out that the that the fantasy structure what he's doing by refusing. To be stately identified with any one's figure is to become. Open to all the forms are projected identification but. That is he is not assimilating to integrative figure. He's. Soliciting. All the worlds where the -- of Coke can produce a son. Who becomes. The king of the world. Every man that -- An -- cook. It is games. Obama's. Hospitable open house to every want. Is his way of saying. Anyone can become if you really want to understand democracy. The lowest. Can become -- half past. The last can hold the place of the first. That's the deepest -- democracy the last Shelby for urged."
" Utterly fascinating but where only three quarters of year in two. The age of Obama. In this dream he's he's certainly meeting a lot ahead wins on the idea of a transnational America transnational presidency. What's taking hold what's what's not."
" Well it he's trying to do that contradictory things and on the one hand -- major. Policy initiative is the health care initiative. Which is to take care of the body politic of of this nation which. Has solicited. Here is Adam. Educating the nation -- the ways in which most other countries across this globe have a health care policy. That is. Maurer salutary. That's. -- in the United States that's a transnational -- but it's a transnational gesture in the service. Of a national. Up body that the health of the national body politic."
" Go back to the transnational idea. You pictured on the cricket feel old. On the pequot. And Barack Obama's dreams. How does that stand at this point."
" Well. It -- of the dimensions of the O'Neal novel but I -- Is it's. It in the debt to take. New York City which was originally yeah the new -- lance. And -- have to imagine in the wake of the catastrophe. Archaic. Resources in the nether world of his imagination. And almost every. Major. Figure in American literary history Rip Van Winkle. Whitman. Melville Emerson. The -- make appearances make cameo appearances in the -- but there alongside. Figures from world literature. Cool understand. American literary. Productions to be deeply connected. With the imagination the non territorial sizable extra territorial imagination -- literature. When. -- O'Neal turns the cricket. Games that he learns. How to find his way to through chuck -- He's returning to a national pastime that preceded baseball. He's returning to -- passed in America that was transnational. Fort became nationalized through a sport called baseball. Cricket is the precursor for baseball. And just precursor for baseball that is he eliminated the distinctions between the game played in America. And games played across this -- Cricket. So what -- O'Neal does he also turns cricket. Into. Portal. That allows you to see that trance nationalism. Is a deep dreamed of humanity. That can sometimes get actual artist in real fields of life."
" But I sort of what and where is that. Notion of heroic. Global working class an open community of skillful hard working. Caring about each other kinds of people that were all men in Novo but they could be women to. That idea was somehow embodied by Barack Obama anyone in the campaign. Where's that -- today."
" They idealist is placed primarily or it invested primary and in the green revolution. And men. Understanding that everybody across this planet is. Dedicated to the purpose of protecting it. From. Modes of environmental pollution. That are produced by agreed. The catastrophe that mobilize uses the deepest resources that transnational. Is that it's zero planetary contest. And -- that's that also is deep."
" Clearly you keep comfort yourself don't do this is fascinating. Story you -- that's. That's really interesting go ahead."
" So that's. It isn't and that planetary catastrophe it's -- and much more inclusive let's. Then either nine elevenths which is after all -- even though New York is a cosmopolitan international even transnational city. It was still represented -- as a wont. To America. And it's also. Let's restricted even them. Bill fills. Re imagining analyst loved. Re imagining the deluge. And Moby --"
" Do you think you put on the news is the description of the meant marketers -- Who how this CNN who ruled they can re create this globe yes he said and another noah's flood wouldn't we wouldn't interrupt them forever for now are these are stateless human beings. I wanted to ask you you know what are other connections really between these sort of literary. Figures and realize but I think you keep answering -- they're very tightly wrapped together."
" I believe I believe that I believe that -- great writing. Emerges. In order to allow. The in expressible. Unconscious pre conscious. Dimensions of lived experience. To become suddenly. Apparent to revealed. What -- writer. It with the gifts of -- Melville. Or with the gifts of Joseph O'Neill can take. And it meant in the case of now though the actual existence of Boca -- Who destroyed ships and was one of the pool agents. All of the media see fares and -- northeast. And trans posed that figure. In two game means whereby he can draw out. The deepest obsession it's that most profound of securities. The political. -- the United States in the years between 18481851. He's doing something that that Joseph O'Neill tonnes in the Netherlands who also takes mean that that the power of the -- Is that EEE takes a recognizable. Problems. Historical -- Any links that. It to an -- trotted the loss -- the separation from his wife the separation from his child. The feeling that. He's lost his -- city no longer occupies even the body of a man without a sense that he's been to separate from it. When he could produce all of those linkages. In a work called another line. He's he's showing how a historical drama of the magnitude nine elevenths. Can solicit as ways of responding to. The public -- strong us all of this drama is named for. A -- well -- that opened you to dream. Trauma is. Portal to your dream life at neverland is -- To his dream life to Albany street life the beauty of his right as you feel almost -- Every sentence that there is an unconscious. Reserve to that sentence. That is simultaneously. And making it but refusing to be stabilized."
" Don't -- embody kind of trend. In American studies it's -- you say into trans national. Direction we all. There's a whole culture still headed. In a trans national direction and Obama govern as he ran as a transnational candidate or to put it in a very different way. Can Americans embrace. Kris Craig. As this sort of spirit leader. In global arena and a global wallet."
" I and believe that it's not a trend the transnational it's a fact of life MZ. Disappearance of the Cold War. And able to everybody to see that America was a node. And and network of trans cultural -- its economic. Circulation crossed -- beat transnational is a trend it's it's it's an accurate description. Not the way this planet. It insists. He -- 2000 behind Barack Obama needs. A global -- That is an event that is recognizable. As. And that that. Solicits the interest of every one who is as he puts it a citizen of this planet. In order to. -- His personal. With his vision. The problem but through what happened at the Olympics is the I would like to think that as the underside. Of what he really can do. The reason that event was taken as such a terrible loss of and that loss of face was because it. He was supposed to be the transnational leader who would immediately solicit everyone's. Agreement for whatever he asked. But he know and appreciative now. That there were places in the Americus. That. Needed the Olympics both culturally and economically and much more than did Chicago. He knew what he needs now I'm deeply believe Crist is an event. That requires. Obama. A world event that requires Obama. As the figure who can't respond to it responsibly. -- well. Please. Part of it is linked now to. The so called green revolution I believe that what if it when he goes to China. You will see or I hope we will city. An event and encountered take place. That will spell. Out. Every country across this globe living for the sake of the green revolution. The Chinese are. Right now embracing this. It's. Primarily pro player a commercial. Venture. But they're embracing it as well as say yeah planetary ideal. Obama shares that idea. Not just with the Chinese but with every. And I believe that. Back can become the locus for the other's face what Obama Obama right now. His face is being monopolized. By national events. In order for him to become quick quick. He has to be able. To disclose. The dream of his father. Now which is. Right now quote it. By the anxiety of his -- 68."
" We've covered a lot of ground from -- noble will be there to. -- when bill Barack Obama China. The green movement. Don't -- can thank you thank you Chris is that fun."
" Sarah harsher -- and Paul McCarthy produced and edited this conversation. This -- feedback on our website. Radioopensource.org. I'm Christopher lead thanks for joining the conversation."