Title: Here and Now for Friday, October 30, 2009

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" And now house financial services committee chair Barney Frank is expected to introduce legislation this week to curb dangerously large companies. He's calling -- the real death panel. And congress has gone from no public option in health care reform to debating different versions of won the Senate may release its version of the plan as early as tomorrow. President Obama has his sixth meeting on Afghanistan today before he flies. To speak with servicemen and women in Jacksonville Florida and former president George W. Bush is launching a speaking tour his first appearance is tonight and a motivational seminar for salespeople. Rick Klein is senior political reporter for ABC news author of ABC's blog the note. He's here to give us a preview Rick let's start with health care. A subtle but important shift and move from if to when there's health care reform and a public auction and you had drives Washington into a different mode."

" Yes I think he's like any to a compromise mode where that politicians and interest groups decide where work we cut the best deal rather than -- Going to be about outright opposition new you have a -- independence before lawmakers are on the fence and say okay well let me see what I can get because it is restraint like -- That's the most relevant right now senator Olympia Snowe a Republican from Maine is the only Republican willing to support. The health care reform efforts and if she's basically don't driver's seat to which he says them is almost certainly -- gonna be in that building is now important votes."

" Why the shift unity here in the terrain because you quote people saying that the costs and the political calendar. Are catching up with health care reformers that mean."

" I think where we needed that we're now we're now at the end of October this was supposed to be done before the August recess were nowhere close to -- finished it a -- draft bill that the house or the Senate. That could happen soon. But the defense of this pavlik having to happen before it Christmas. Before the end of the year what you get into an election year it's always more difficult that's one difficult week. And it at least it did the cost there's been several times where there's a sticker shock along the way where people looking new cost estimates out of the Congressional Budget Office and it's wow that way to back out. From and how read a paper that so. Those -- the factors that is that is argued against that. This but I think the coupled recent round of polling including ABC news Washington Post poll that suggested that that is growing support strong support for a public option that certainly helped and I think it's because the cavity to perpetuate itself once there's the decision in Washington that something is going to have."

" Well and you said the momentum how on from the left from President Obama and Democrats. Is that they need to win and they may settle for less than they originally wanted me a weaker public insurance. Option you quote a politicos David Rogers with that opinion but the moment right you mention pulling. I am wondering if polling has something to do with this shift George Stephanopoulos. Quote the new ABC poll which shows only 20% of Americans call themselves Republicans. And when asked who do you trust -- country in the right direction 49%. Said Obama. But Republican senator Mitch McConnell came right back of the Gallup poll. That showed that more people would vote for a Republican for congress than would a year ago Democrats are still ahead and that race but. But not by as much and I guess the question is. How are Republicans seem themselves as viewed by the public and how much is that motivating them on health care reform."

" They beat him in the right clearly they think that people are are against president Obama's plans with a fully explained it out. Now that's what they're not going along with the evil. That's right and appoint bill may actively look people are or are sick of Washington humble -- connect. Think one big story -- of this year at the races if these two gubernatorial races coming up next week even on the right and independent. It's people who don't identify with either party these folks are up for grabs I think there's this sense that over the next year coming up today at the twenties and mid term elections it is that the big swathe of voters that. Aren't necessarily Obama for -- other Republican Peter."

" Well also this tree house finance service as a committee chairman Barney Frank introducing this legislation that as we said he's calling the real depth panel. It's also being compared to living will for big business essentially what would shift those companies into government hands that they can travel."

" That may be easier for the so called to begin to -- companies acted to get overtaken by the government and overseen by the government to stop that is that the financial collapse that we. We saw with these. Enormous financial condition that it tentacles into every area of government to try to correct that. Doesn't look nearly as far as a lot of folks want to but that's right try to strike a middle ground and and try to react also to the the populist -- that's out there and anger that's out there over the huge bonuses and the fact that we were taken to the brink by the enormous company."

" Many people like near -- Joe -- saying. It's the job of stockholders shareholders to keep companies in mind that. We'll see that they continue FEMA just ask you briefly about George W Bush's first speaking engagement we haven't seen him in a while he's going to get a motivational. Seminar today Wayne Slater of the Dallas morning news is calling this the granddaddy of sales motivation seminars. Is as you say it will trod path but -- Republicans be asking him not to be a Republican I'm just sinking of the you know he's -- he's a reminder of Iraq. And Afghanistan and as these polls show for Republicans in the following our favor."

" Well Leo -- got -- even a single policy speech unlike Vice President Cheney has been out there are pretty consistently and I criticized because Obama he'd given President Obama lots of room lots of running room. -- leave that -- that in Toronto two months ago he did some very careful not to criticize the administration and anyway I think he's respectful of that and then realize is that. His name politically trolleys are going to be very helpful to make republic."

" Rick Klein senior political reporter for ABC news author of the ABC political blog the note -- obviously a busy guy Rick -- phone and then you. Well hopefully as any legislation comes out of Washington this week."

" It will be in plain English so we can understand it but also because it saves money did you know. The V days saved 14000 dollars a year from rewriting just one standard letter. The navy found that writing in plain English reduced reading times between seventeen and 20%. And saved them almost 350 million dollars per document. G eat saved up to 500000. A year and help desk staff costs because they rewrote a software manual. These statistics from the British group the plain English campaign they've been waging war on confusing language in everything from. Airport signs to government policy documents. Testifying before parliament actually getting government to change some documents. Chrissie Maher is founder of the thirty year old plain English campaign she joins us from -- England. Could see an example of when you do his ability Uga from the bank talked about things like your maximum debit balance. You -- the bill and sent it back in plain English and replaced maximum debit balance with what. It's the most Caribbean -- Well we also you have a glossary of financial terms that you find confusing and what can rewrite would give us some of those."

" Well one of the things and I can coax was so Nicole CBOs. Collateralized debt obligations. Which of -- my commitment to repay debt which isn't as secure don't summing -- built. You give me some others -- before him with some excellent long into the patient rights in a can't. High quality lending and vitamins and and and necessary. Precondition. Full facilitation. And enhancement. Of the ongoing naming process. And practice and afterwards I think a lot of I think children need puts boost its its a -- why can't say that. I again if you say if and he points on which you require explanation often the detectives will be glad to pay initial two additional details. House may be decried by ten info but while they may and if you've -- questions until congress into. --"

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" Which means people which still on the employees. Really with the ankle that I found she asked -- if the trying to set to open fancy truck. What did you think people are still on in --"

" You are -- Prime Minister Gordon Brown urging that Britain's financial services authority. Establish standards of plain English."

" And finding people if they don't use it would you really want to see bank line -- looks. You could appeal to say look at if I go to cool I like improve the actual summer without -- to jog and then going to do. Actually he came to me for making device decision. Then and I writes I feel that the funds they should be happening five. Do you think that unclear language is so big part of this financial crisis -- it -- didn't I think people have got themselves into trouble because. You know too vulnerable he goes I'm gonna go to time without ever been able to understand how the technology the tip. That's -- because -- don't you won't mention who knows what's in the contract not so long -- to tilt. On the motorboat to tilt is a paid -- photo evidence that contact below ocean so that invested -- to detect and that kind. I hear stories about people approaching you. And having a real serious consequences of this as a sixteen year old who. Wanted to open a checking account but she did east -- this -- back and a -- almost material that they mean given from the bank. You didn't understand the way did it not -- not Quintanilla Ecstasy and on the banking system. This isn't gonna that I."

" He couldn't understand the -- ER which is the annual equivalent -- an interest rate with annual compound interest on -- They did find that. You have given out awards for the worst examples of jargon and reminded it's much wider than a financial business it is this is your golden bowl and you awarded Gatwick airport for assigned."

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" No they shouldn't hurt him because of which you know I was talking to relate to the day when she's actually -- the kids. She sent within medicine to -- three times today. But while the doctrine meant was that don't -- BA talent when she broke and waking day into three. I'm a -- gave the child having full Allen's RBC how dangerous to convey it can be -- not much of life and death."

" Well and you started your campaign in 1979. And now it's not just people. Who can't read -- that even people who are well educated can't understand. You have some luck -- at a campaign in the Asia got your government there rewrite thousands of forms. Do you think you make some headway. In the financial world. I sit in the hopes and I really -- hope so."

" And in that way people's confidence is back with them they can take that responsibility. Pulled a debt sold an overdraft old unknown. With confidence because they know that some -- the full file of thought they can no be blamed themselves."

" That's -- founder of the plain English campaign. Can't penny for clear language in everything from airports -- instant banking documents. Christie thanks amateurs and talking to us about it and best of luck to you thank you very much indeed it is -- into. Right this quick note coming up this week and wellness benefits programs to push people to take. Better care of themselves or punish them for health issues they can't control also loving tribute to the late actor and many people only know -- frayed dough in the godfather. John because now yeah that's coming up later this week we'll be back in one minute with Anthony should deed in Baghdad here and now."

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" Welcome back when General David Petraeus was asked if he's not yesterday's twin suicide car bombs in Baghdad. Will prompt Iraqis to ask for American troops to return to the city's. Petraeus said no Iraqis will respond tennis. But can -- and can in time for the scheduled January parliamentary election the Terry spoke as he flew over Baghdad with Washington Post reporter David Ignatius. Also in Baghdad back on the ground -- colleague Anthony should be who joins us now from the -- studios Anthony welcome thank you. And yesterday's bombing left quite a swathe of destruction to government buildings destroyed more than a 150 people killed. You there in the aftermath so how first of all our Iraqis coping today."

" Well I think assistance of a shock just over the scale of the destruction it was. -- in seven years here it was carnage and like I've seen since 2003. There is a sense of of frustration on a sense of fear -- sense of anxiety over what's coming next and I and I think there's a sense that the elections themselves are introducing a dynamic. Into Iraq that could become more violent as we go forward. You know I think there's at conception often maybe in the states that that there have been rules imposed in this country and you'll going to play by the rules. It's not -- syndication and politics I think there is a deep. Fear here that that violence may escalate as we get closer toward that that ballot on January 16."

" And and get your colleague David Ignatius. And rates as he's astonished at how many Iraqis and teenagers get up and get going after the attacks many of them positive and spirit. One wondering in a conversation about problems with this upcoming election but then saying well we have the freedom to talk about this. You the other hand you know you're down in this horrible area where these twin car bombs went off and you meet an Iraqi -- Relative had been killed and he just says it is such a simple sentence all Iraqis will die. Which -- do you think better represents the city."

" You know there's any question and that Baghdad is truly -- the most resilient cities. In the world let manages to go on here and there's no question about that but I think we often if you lose and appreciation for Howell. Tattered the society's fabric actually is after all these years and you know I think among all American officials there's a Linear sense of where things are going violence is going down we're going to have elections and new government receded. In the United States will withdraw. I'm not sure things are going to proceed -- Linear fashion here I think it may be much more precarious. To commend him much more expected it. And I think this violence that we saw yesterday is is an example of that."

" We say tattered we're looking at buildings that you know. Several stories high buildings completely tattered there was a similar bombing -- August so now and I think a total of five government buildings are just reduced to rubble. And his many critics say prime minister -- he was wait too lax in security at taking down blast walls etc. you know before maybe they should have been so. Given that you say that you think there's going to a sense that there's going to be even more violence what's happening to data. Two to either reverse that or address that."

" Well I think you -- a good point and that's the frustration over promise from -- he's government. He what struck me about yesterday's attack was that it wasn't like the new explosions we've had the -- explosions that were were detonated at that restaurants and markets. Those attacks were -- just meant to ignite sectarian carnage sectarian strife. Yesterday's had a very distinct political logic and that was to show that prime minister -- government cannot cannot secure the capital basically its seat of authority. And they did that to a certain extent and when you talk to people at the scene afterwards those different what they were sang."

" Will we should say that visas and their cars both had to go through several government run checkpoints to get where they or. Absolutely."

" And I think that's first you heard that time and again yesterday at the -- how could you have so many checkpoints and is still have violations of these checkpoints in fact one person said and those were estimate. The more checkpoints we have more violations we have to think what yesterday's attacks show is that insurgents and who -- these insurgents work. You have still possessed very you know pretty remarkable prowess in carrying out these attacks these were not easy targets they were there were fortified their behind blast walls. And twice in two months they've managed to pull them off on. -- press the aftermath of the attacks are as important as the attacks themselves with what they're doing is -- Pillars of the State's authority and that has that offer for operations and for weeks and months to come."

" Well they're also killing women and children we understand one of the buildings. -- I was filled with women and children waiting to get some sort of compensation because of a previous. Bombing and people saw bodies split. Flying in the air you used -- spoke to people who saw this."

" Is this gonna backfire on these insurgents you know it's is they're going to be a backlash in the that's tough to say I mean how much violence this country's had to endure. You when you looked at faces. At the scene yesterday walking across the bridge toward the provincial headquarters toward the Ministry's. You know it was it was more than a far away look it was almost a number look and and you heard that same cinema I think and and in conversations with people it's just you know. This is our destiny this is our fate this is how Iraq is."

" Will you said whoever did this is their sense of who did it I know Maliki and says its followers of Saddam Hussein's -- party. And al-Qaeda is there a sense that it's that or -- Sunnis who are upset with the Shiite dominated government."

" You after August attacked prime minister Maliki. Accused -- basically any leader brought that include a conduct. I think a lot of people thought he over reached on -- playing politics. The Americans were very clear that they do not think it was remnants of the Baath Party if -- was al-Qaeda. I think it's going to be the same assumption in this attack but if he -- a lot of uncertainty. About who is exactly behind these attacks. Well."

" And he can ask you to speculate they're going to. Really started by saying General Petraeus said that he didn't think that this is not lead to Iraqis asking the US troops to stay after the scheduled pull out in the summer. Do you think he's right."

" You I think it's very clear. From this administration that this is not there war and it's hard for me -- imagine how. Much of an increase in violence we have to see for the administration to reverse course and send troops back in here I mean I think withdrawal is pretty much a done deal. What kind of conditions. Are are taking place is that withdrawal happens is another question I think it's very possibly could see more violence even dramatic violence. In the run up to the election in the -- have a very precarious six or seven months after the election. In which you try to form a government and that that in itself is -- be a dangerous game as well."

" CD Washington Post foreign correspondent he is in Baghdad. And the NPR studios there Anthony thank you so much for giving us some time today my pleasure. Willie that's your thoughts on this or any story just go to here now dot org click on contact us to send an email or you can scroll down leave a comment right -- homepage. Still ahead today the cinematic sound of Patrick Watson and the wooden arms his half wooden arms -- van. Here and now."

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" Another young welcome back here and now the judges in the war crimes trial of rather than carriage which are vowing the trial will begin tomorrow. With -- without a former Bosnian Serb leader and it might just be without. The trial was scheduled to begin today at The Hague but Karadzic refused to leave his cell claiming he has not enough time to prepare for the trial. Since his arrest in July 2008. He is 1 of the central figures from the Baltimore triggered by the breakup of Yugoslavia. The indictment against him includes the 1995 massacre -- heats up. Where thousands of Muslim men and boys were slaughtered by Serb forces despite the presence of Dutch peacekeepers. The BBC's Allan little went to Hebron -- recently to talk to people about the carriage it's trial and -- prepared this report."

" That's reverent and so the dump Bosnian since two yielding evidence. Carefully a mechanical digger is street being a little slit trench proving the soil for more bodies of those who donate. This is perhaps the darkest episode of Bosnia's war. 8000 Muslim men and boys who voted here. In the space of five days when the Bosnian Serb Army seized the Muslim populated enclave. This is assigned to field -- defector with a Dutch battalion. Sets up their headquarters if we go inside here. We come into one of the vast kindness. Where people turned up. In those crucial days in the middle of July 1995. Seeking refuge of people came here because they believed that they would be safe. In fact this place teeming with thousands of terrified people turned out to be simply. A kind of waiting room for the massacre among the people who came here seeking safety was --"

" I don't I had I spent two nights in this hole with my -- Whenever I come back to this empty factory I hear again the screams. I see the wounded people the horrifying scene -- us -- vote the try to provide coverage. Won't do you think it's important. Yeah. Or -- the war criminals are important but we believe it was Karadzic who was behind this. Who gave the -- to commit mass meant and ethnically cleanse the country."

" At the church on the -- separates a town center. Local Serbs are celebrating an orthodox Christian holy day. They sit around an enormous table eating grew to meet and being skewed and drinking homemade plum brandy. Outside the young man -- beer and cigarettes and sing to the deafening beat to the backing track. A song to the glory of Radovan Karadzic. Okay. Where -- you brother read about the song says the Serbian homeland will never give you up. And they blasted music out of loudspeakers. And the sound of it carries through the streets of town and now synonymous with commencement of announced a host of the celebration vigil -- each. Whether he -- Radovan Karadzic was guilty of."

" page with a because when you know what that that the that's for the course in the patent to decide to. And do you think that this community has recovered from moved on from the massacre that happened -- in -- Additionally cynical and there was one in 1992. People only took about what happened in 95 but in 1992. Said religious -- burnt down and the people were killed. There were lots of victims of homicide as well Serbs and Muslims where over."

" Bosnia is allowed to parallel truths. Serbian public opinion has never accepted the war crimes were committed in the name of the Serbian people. Committee -- the server it's amounts could even occurred to the evidence -- is all around."

" The charges that about a thousand of the men and boys rounded up instruments -- brought here to this shabby rundown concrete. Warehouse just off the road. And if you go inside you could see what kind of places. There are windows about six or seven feet from the ground and you can see that once you're inside here all you've got his concrete walls and those few windows of this note. Escape. The accusation is that the government stood here by the door. And opened fire after throwing grenades only a handful of 2002 president here survived. You can still see the bullet holes in the rules beneath the windows."

" That report from the BBC's Allan little. Earlier today we quoted George Stephanopoulos siding new ABC poll that shows only 20% of Americans. Call themselves Republicans and only 19%. Say they trusted congressional Republicans. But his guest Republican senator Mitch McConnell responded to Stephanopoulos that at least one Democrat in Virginia. Was distancing himself from President Obama. Residents in Virginia and New Jersey choose a new governor next -- despite those polls are not Republicans. Virginia is being seen as a litmus test on the Obama presidency let's start there I needed Kumar is covering the Virginia race for the Washington Post. A native -- has Republican and former state attorney general Bob McDonnell facing the Democrat that Mitch McConnell was talking about that's -- deeds. A former state senator how each man trying to cast the race."

" I'm McDonnell -- Republican -- talking a lot about jobs and the economy he's also talked a lot about national issues. He realizes. Partly so that the national mood is really favoring Republicans right now."

" You say the national mood that we see the polls where the Republicans seem to be plummeting."

" I I keynote Spoelstra and I find that interesting because even our own Washington Post falls in the last few months. We've seen that in Virginia the atmosphere for Republicans is better than it has -- more people are aligning themselves with the party and more people. You know in every poll -- has been leading -- of what people are embracing. Public and are even not in the states."

" Well as you say McDonald trying to tie the Democrat deeds to programs coming out of Washington. Dean's backers have been trying to time McDonald to his more conservative past is a grad student twenty years ago. He wrote that working women feminists and homosexuals were detrimental to the family. But that doesn't seem to be working from the deed -- how is -- trying to craft himself."

" He's talked a lot about education is commercial out of and that he is also talked about jobs economy. Transportation the F a lot of his time has been spent on. Talking about Bob McDonnell and that speeches that you mention from twenty years ago theory to answer it used in there that actually -- Has that about some of them -- changed my mind."

" Well Virginia has typically bitter red state lately it looked a little blue or when Barack Obama carried it last year it was the first democratic presidential candidate to do that cents a Lyndon Johnson in 64. And Democrats have won the last two governor's races but we know in the last eight. Gubernatorial elections in Virginia. The party the president has always lost. The year after he was elected so is is perhaps just following that formula or do you think -- something more going on."

" I think that what you mentioned about the White House is really important. Did that -- here the first. Significant races after. A presidential race and you can always feel sort of a backlash no matter how popular at the person going in -- on the very popular. Going in it's always sort of an anxiety about is the president what are now that he's not going -- And it sort of reverberates every four years in Virginia."

" What Jim margolies who's a former senior adviser to Obama's presidential campaign as cardinal Los Angeles Times as saying. He advise Obama now to stay away from both Virginia and New Jersey -- focus his energy on other things. Quick to something is that the papers calling Obama hang over here that. -- left just doesn't have the anger in the motivation at the right has in this campaign."

" Well I think the Obama is actually in Virginia tomorrow -- other means second round with three each there have been a lot of people rushing last couple weeks it's. -- did the opposite if -- pushed Obama away when he should have actually embraced him. To get some of that -- yet back."

" Anita Kumar the Washington Post Anita thanks so much. Well now let's turn that other governors race in New Jersey this not seen as a referendum on Obama as much as so when that focuses on local issues from jobs to driving records. Democratic incumbent governor Jon Corzine is facing Republican former US attorney Chris Christie is also an independent former Republican Chris -- get. Tom Moran is columnist for the star ledger in New Jersey -- start with Corzine house he campaigning."

" Corzine is the sort of classical liberal. He's expanded health care preschool that's -- thing even during tough times is presenting himself also. Being a former CEO of Goldman Sachs is presenting itself present economic manager. And that is his trouble unemployment it's rising fast we have among the highest taxes in the country. And when he took over features we have lower unemployment in the neighboring states now has equal or higher."

" Let's also to his disadvantage to be from Goldman Sachs given what's happened to Wall Street."

" Yeah it's lost its last year's Christmas. Chris Christie is in the states US attorney in Newark for the last seven years has done a great job through about a 130 corrupt politicians in jail. He's basically running at the anti Corzine and -- a decisive leader."

" Let's he would those two for a second because in July it was a huge corruption scandal in your state close allies of the governor or arrested a member of his cabinet resigned. A democratic consultant committed suicide. This could all seem to just hand issues to Christie -- corps doesn't seem to hold on what why would he do."

" Well when you look at polls and -- people because they're corruption appears province in New Jersey that's 70% of people say yes. But when you ask them what's the most important issues they pay property taxes they say jobs to -- health care correction turns up only 4%. So even though that July series a recipe was 44 people it was outrageous. Even though that happens does it give -- bump at the time it didn't seem to have lasting power."

" Well and course and we understand also tried to -- Christie as. Someone who was close to George W. Bush and Karl Rove has that worked."

" I think spoke to some degree it's a fair connections bush appointed him because -- had raised a lot of money for bush in the first place. Let's Christie's said his first priority when he gets into office will be to reduce taxes on households making more than 400000 dollars a year."

" It's been brought up that Kristy get a motorcycle is while driving the wrong way down one way street we got out of it."

" He apparently told the investigating officer that he was US attorney and received a ticket. So of course -- campaign has been reading of such ads and what would happen the -- few crashed into motorcycles going to run last."

" Of course that's risky for the Corzine had to draw attention to. Problems with driving because of course he had that situation a couple of years ago where his police detail was speeding there was an accident he has seatbelt on."

" They're going about ninety -- married governor was almost killed."

" So maybe they cancel each other out on that issue that the -- that the governor Corzine's side put up that seemed -- making fun of Chris Christie's. Wait."

" Right it's an -- That includes that that car crashes says he's been throwing its way to --"

" The -- nine people claim they weren't making fun of his weight."

" The camera angles than the low blow that he's climbing out of his cards clearly intending to point out people that --"

" Is that work the second -- Corzine."

" Yeah I think it'll backfire this script is handled itself well it basically good -- I'm up and down 3040 pounds this is something a struggle with and it's no secret and look at how desperate the governor has the focus on my -- instead of property taxes."

" And just briefly tells of a former Republican Chris dagger who's running as an independent."

" He's actually making a very strong showing when poll recently had about 20%. He's come up with a plan to really changed teachers he fundamentally by shifting the tax burden from the property tax. To the sales tax somewhat so he's got a lot of attention because he's the only ones saying how he will solve the biggest problem of the state by every poll."

" and columnist for the star ledger in New Jersey Tom thanks so much. Okay take a break when we come back -- lovely sounds of Canadian Patrick lots and sounds that sometimes come from pots pans and tree branches. That some of you're listening here now."

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" You know that was just pots and pans and I think -- a -- involves. I mean. A tree branches to -- as it kind of artists and image in the back and ended face settlements. -- thing is that -- And obviously to create reasoning can reasonably decent reasons that John does like she's a very well accomplished that loses customer. And he is -- to break -- drums so he started really. Connie go out -- just trying to percussion just keep myself happy and have fun you know and that was definitely one of the moments for you when you into the kitchen got some stuff let's go."

" We descend -- other tracks. You use the toilet plunger that sliding two hours. And the song Beijing you you plan bicycle accident over the."

" What do you play a bicycle parts."

" When it -- our appreciation so we very kind of got inspired -- music in the expectations sometimes they would -- and a couple of real sounds and -- like now fully sounds and he called himself. We wanna get a feeling the bite taste unity within the holds number again."

" For anyone to something that. Out of their regular necessary I think that's -- action after into the narrative and making sure that you're telling stories to selecting those type of I you know the frustrations of -- particularly humorous and help tell the story. Is this is after all Beijing and the Chinese capital. It's filled with us well I think every talent agents found anything that remark she the most general of hundreds and hundreds of bicycles. Just thinking this is an amazing things he would think you -- and he just deficit is remarkable news there."

" No and we understand a visit to Asia was -- inspiration or another of your songs big burden small cage. But that the rested inspiration came during. Performance in New Orleans it would tell us a little more about that's --"

" The original story came -- is that a musician's house and Vietnam actually and he those -- positions for the hold generations back I. So there two walls of film pictures of their great grandfather's musicians and they also had this incredible collection of like birds and songbirds. And -- as one kinda cage in the corner that was like rivers a smaller cage with -- drape over top. You know when a list of the -- assists burglar. Since more occasionally last kind of weird logic for the -- burdensome in the small occasionally those of you put the burden sparky easings. And it's just something that that kind of just hit me I was this years ago TS and one -- in Paris on. The story like that you know can kind of connect in the -- to think. And I I ahead on the shelf for awhile and you had a I was wondering Sama then and we are traveling in January means. We know that the small little barking in overnight and day he kind of just made me think about. That story in Asia and the use of smaller blues -- a little the little tiny places it just seems like the musicians -- just like. You know it is that he played also shows a small place sometimes they're always the most amazing chosen."

" Small business when. Fielding and joining me."

" Okay. --"

" That's big bird and a smaller cage from Canadian singer songwriter Patrick lots in his latest CD is it wouldn't arms. Design communities and -- go to our website here and now dot org. We wanted to know would be instrumental track online is a monster with two wins because the impact was much. Franks telling. But Patrick and months to anyone in particular. Drummers Branyan had passed away so -- of them -- Epic things so much. It's a pleasure talking. Here in the house of production and WBUR Boston. Association of the BBC world service and he. Blues tunes to -- with a weak frames here now."