Title: Here and Now for Monday, October 26, 2009

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" I'm running on it here and now house financial services committee chair Barney Frank is expected to introduce legislation this week to curb dangerously large companies. He's calling -- the real death panel. And congress has gone from no public option in healthcare reform to debating different versions of won the Senate may release its version of the plan as early as tomorrow. President Obama has his sixth meeting on Afghanistan today before he flies. To speak with servicemen and women in Jacksonville Florida and former president George W. Bush is launching a speaking tour his first appearance is tonight and a motivational seminar for salespeople. Rick Klein is senior political reporter for ABC news author of ABC's blog the note. He's here to give us a preview Rick let's start with health care. A subtle but important shift and move from if to when there's health care reform and a public auction and you had drives Washington into a different --"

" Yes I think you talking to a compromise mode where that politicians and interest groups decide where -- we cut the best deal rather than. -- think it's gonna be about outright opposition you you have. A moment and the tendency for lawmakers are on the it's okay well let me see what I can get because it is extremists like is leaving the station that's most relevant right now senator Olympia Snowe a Republican from Maine is to the only Republican willing to support. The health care reform efforts and if she's basically don't driver's seat to which he says somebody's almost certainly -- going to be of that building is on -- her votes."

" Why the shift as you hear it in the terrain because you quote people saying that the costs and the political calendar. Are catching up with health care reformers that mean."

" I think when we needed that we're now we're now at the end of October this was supposed to be done before the August recess were nowhere close to be finished -- a -- draft bill that house or the Senate. That could happen soon. But the defense of this having having to happen before Christmas before the end of the year what you get into an election year it's always more difficult that's one difficult which. And that is is due -- cost there's been several times where there's a sticker shock along the way were people looking to cost sensitive data Congressional Budget Office and it's wow that -- tobacco. And outreach to pay for that so those are the factors that is that is argued against this but I think the coupled recent round of polling including ABC news Washington Post poll that. Suggested that that is growing support strong support for public option that certainly helped and I think it's significant to perpetuate itself want to visit decision in Washington that something is going to happen achieved so much."

" Well and you said the momentum how from the left from President Obama Democrats. Is that they need to win and they may settle for less than they originally wanted -- a weaker public insurance. -- you quote a politicos David Rogers with that opinion that the moment right you mention pulling. I am wondering if polling has something to do with this shift George Stephanopoulos. Quote the new ABC poll which shows only 20% of Americans call themselves Republicans. And when asked who you trust -- country in the right direction 49%. Said Obama. But Republican senator Mitch McConnell came right back to Gallup poll. That showed that more people would vote for Republican for congress then would a year ago Democrats are still ahead and that race but. Not by as much and I guess the question is. How are Republicans seem themselves as you by the public and how much is that motivating them on health care reform."

" They keep him in the right clearly they think that people are are against president Obama's plans and fully explained. That's what they're not going along with the that's right and appoint -- actively look people are or are sick of Washington -- to connect. Think one big -- light of this year at the races at these two gubernatorial races coming up next week you can are delighted independent people who don't identify with either party these folks are for wraps. I think there's a sense that over the next year coming up today at the twenties and mid term elections that visit the big swath of voters that aren't necessarily Obama's -- the Republican --"

" Well also -- tree house finance service as a committee chairman Barney Frank introducing this legislation that as we said he's calling the real depth panel. It's also being compared to living will for big business essentially what would shift those companies into government hands that they get in trouble."

" That may be easier for the so called too big to fail company's stated to get overtaken by the government and overseen by the government to stop that -- that the financial collapse that we saw with these. Enormous financial condition that it tentacles into every area of government to try to correct that. Doesn't look nearly as far as a lot of folks want but that's right try to strike a middle ground and and try to react but also to the the populist fervor that's out there and anger that's out there over the huge bonuses in the fact that we were taken to the brink by the enormous company."

" Then you have people like near -- Joe and Sarah saying. It's the job of stockholders shareholders to keep companies in mind that. Will see that they continue want to ask you briefly about George W Bush's first speaking engagement we haven't seen him in a while he's going to be a motivational. Seminar today Wayne Slater of the Dallas morning news is calling this the granddaddy of sales motivation seminars. Is as you say it will trod path but -- Republicans be asking him not to be in public now I'm just sinking of the you know he's this he's a reminder of Iraq. And Afghanistan and as these polls show for Republicans in a falling out of favor."

" Well -- don't I don't think he's even a single policy speech unlike Vice President Cheney has been out there pretty consistently -- criticized because Obama he'd given President Obama lots of room lots of eight in the event I have that in Toronto two months ago he was very careful not to criticize the administration and anyway I think he's respectful of that and then realize is that. His name politically probably going to be a very helpful to -- Republican."

" Rick Klein senior political reporter for ABC news author of the ABC political blog the note and obviously a busy guy Rick Clancy phone and and you. Well hopefully as any legislation comes out of Washington this week."

" It will be in plain English so we can understand it but also because it saves money did you know. The -- saved 40000 dollars a year from rewriting just one standard letter. The navy found that writing in plain English reduced reading -- between seventeen and 20%. And saved them almost 350 million dollars per document. G eat saved up to 500000. A year and help desk staff costs because they rewrote a software manual. These statistics from the British group the plain English campaign they've been waging war on confusing language in everything from. Airport signs to government policy documents. Testifying before parliament actually getting government did change some documents. Chrissie Maher is founder of the thirty year old plain English campaign she joins us from -- England. Christiane superb example of when you do his ability -- from the bank talked about things like your maximum debit balance. You edited the bill and sent it back in plain English and replaced maximum debit balance with what. It's the most the Caribbean -- What we also you have a glossary of financial terms that you find confusing and what Henry -- would give us some of those."

" Well one things and I can coax was so -- CBOs. Collateralized debt publications -- which of beating my commitment to repay debt which isn't as secure counseling have -- some others. I've got -- before him with some excerpts of long into the patient rights in a can. High quality lending and vitamins on and and necessary. Precondition. Full facilitation. And enhancement. Of him going naming process and -- And after -- a lot of I think children need puts boost its -- a limp -- to know why can't say that -- I again if you say if -- and he points on which you require explanation often the detectors would be glad to -- initial two additional details. I asked may be decried by ten info but while -- and if you've got to crash -- to congress in."

" Amazing I'm looking at some of some of the others unlock clusters subsidiary the sector specific benchmarking. On the famous wind to wind Christmas. Which means people which still on the employees. Really with an ankle that I found she asked us if the trying to set to open found chief rock. Put it does it people are still on input. You wrote to Prime Minister Gordon Brown urging that Britain's financial services authority established standards of plain English. And finding people if they don't use it would you really want -- batting line up looks. Be good appealed to say look at if I go to cold I like improve the actual -- without sought to jog and then going to do. Actually hinder me from making the right decision. Then and I writes I feel that the funds that should be -- five. Do you think that unclear language is so big part of this financial crisis -- it they didn't I think people got themselves into trouble because. You know too vulnerable he goes I'm gonna -- to time without ever been able to understand how the technology the tip. That's ghost because it don't you won't mention who knows what's in the contract not so long -- to -- On the motorboat to tilt is a paid wet -- photo evidence that -- below ocean so that the fastest in session to -- and -- I hear stories about people approaching you. And having a real serious consequences of this as a sixteen year old who wanted to open a checking account but she did east -- this -- back. And they sent almost material that they mean -- from the bank. You didn't understand the way does it not why not get the you'll Ecstasy and on the banking system. You should have -- without."

" He couldn't understand the -- ER which is the annual equivalent -- an interest rate with annual compound interest on glad. -- to find that. You have given out awards for the worst examples of jargon and reminded it's much wider than a financial business it is this is your golden bowl and you awarded Gatwick airport for assigned."

" It was issues -- Of the YouTube is she -- nation -- passion to issue repatriation. Area I think it was an area where passengers got their shoes after you know going through security but why wouldn't they just say -- issues here. Tackle that issue."

" You come to this is like the mysteries and I tonight was this fifteen years old. We came from the big -- put out his family and it was October tonight at that than any food costs tucked in the second round table. And the coast eagle rock going to skill could you got no close to go in we just spend your life in the -- really. And then when I got older. A sudden you realize that. We did not think would be so loud you couldn't join the laughing because she couldn't read the job -- the -- to -- And that's what looked you know at some initial he's got to do something about that's how isolating does that feel America under Levy which attempt for world to me because I couldn't travel. It was -- and out boxes and we need to don't determined late to save it went and I went and get off. I get on and although one could you couldn't -- around like being in a foreign country and not speaking a language. But one that did an entity to night I went to right screw especially the united happened -- being my folks. Some of the cult hot today with the people who were writing to -- that notice a simple wolves or newspapers. So I decided I would do -- about it's I can see people around me die and because the cup -- and full story Casey amounts I sat with the mound with seven children up out to be evicted he has a message that -- in red. And they come to me new -- danger at. But he couldn't read it so I told to me was about we profiled on the sides will. I don't need to find out that when that but the lesson. That there was no anything to be evicted at this place the housing department hasn't paid over the -- to an advocate com and he'd been paying. And it being evicted through no fault of his own."

" No they shouldn't hurt him because of which you know I was talking to a later that day when she's actually -- the kids. She sent within medicine to the -- three times a day. But while the doctrine meant was that jokes and BA talent when she broke and waking day into three. And the -- gave it the child to be full -- RBC how dangerous to -- become become much of life and death. Well and you started your campaign in 1979. And now it's not just people. Who can't read -- that even people who are well educated can't understand. You have some -- you at a campaign in the Asia got your government there rewrite thousands of forms. Do you think you'll make some headway. In the financial world. I -- he hopes and I'm really to hope so. And in that way people's confidence is is back with them they can take that responsibility. Pulled a debt sold an overdraft old -- With confidence because they know they've -- the full file of thought they can no be blamed themselves."

" That's -- founder of the plain English campaign. Can't penny for clear language in everything from airports -- and banking documents. Christie thanks amateurs and talking to us about it and best of luck to you thank you very much indeed it's -- little detail into. Right this quick note coming up this week and wellness benefits programs to push people to take."

" Better care of themselves or punish them for health issues they can't control also loving tribute to the late actor many people only know less frayed dough in the godfather. John has -- yeah that's coming up later this week we'll be back in one minute with Anthony should deed in Baghdad here and now."

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" Welcome back when General David Petraeus was asked if he's not yesterday's twin suicide car bombs in Baghdad. Will prompt Iraqis to ask for American troops to return to the city's. Petraeus said no Iraqis will respond tennis. But can -- and can in time for the scheduled January parliamentary election the -- spoke as he flew over Baghdad with Washington Post reporter David Ignatius. Also in Baghdad back on the ground David's colleague Anthony should be who joins us now from -- studios Anthony welcome. Thank you and yesterday's bombing left quite a swathe of destruction to government buildings destroyed more than a 150 people killed. You there in the aftermath so how first of all our Iraqis coping today."

" Well I think assistance of a shock just over the scale of the destruction that was. You -- seven years here it was -- Mike I've seen since 2003. -- there is a sense of of frustration on a sense of fear -- sense of anxiety over what's coming next and I and I think there's a sense that the elections themselves are introducing a dynamic. Into Iraq that could become more violent as we go forward. You know editors at conception often maybe in the states that that there have been rules imposed in this country and you'll want to play by the rules. It's not necessarily the case and in politics I think there is a deep. Fear here that that violence may escalate as we get closer toward -- that ballot on January 16 and."

" And get your colleague David Ignatius. And rates as he's astonished at how many Iraqis seem to just get up and get going after the attacks many of them positive and spirit. One wondering in a conversation about problems with this upcoming election but then saying well we have the freedom to talk about this. You the other hand you know you're down in this horrible area where these twin car bombs went off and you meet an Iraqi -- Relative had been killed and he just says it is such a simple sentence all Iraqis will die. Which -- do you think better represented the city."

" You know there's any question and that Baghdad is fairly -- the most resilient cities. In the world like manages to go on here and there's no question about that but I think we often to be loose an appreciation for how. Tattered the society's fabric actually is after all these years and you know I think among all American officials there's a Linear sense of where things are going violence is going down we're going to have elections and new government receded. In the United States will withdraw. I'm not sure things are going to proceed no Linear fashion here I think it may be much more precarious. I think him -- much more expected it. And I think this violence that we saw yesterday is is an example of that."

" We say tattered we're looking at buildings that you know. Several stories high buildings completely tattered there was a similar bombing in August so now and I think a total of five government buildings are just reduced to rubble. And his many critics say prime minister -- he was wait too lax in security at taking down blast walls etc. you know before maybe they should have been so. Given that you say that mean you think there's going to a sense that there's going to be even more violence what's happening to data. Two to either reverse that or address that."

" Well I think you're going to point and that's the frustration over promise from -- he's government. You what struck me about yesterday's attack was that it wasn't like the new explosions we've had in the past explosions that were were detonated at that restaurants and markets. Those attacks were -- just meant to ignite sectarian carnage sectarian strife. Yesterday's had a very distinct political logic and that was to show that prime minister -- government cannot cannot secure the capital basically its seat of authority. And they did that to a certain extent and when you talk to people at the scene afterwards -- different what they're saying."

" Will we should say that these and their cars both had to go through several government run checkpoints to get where they are. Yeah absolutely."

" And I think that's first you heard that time and again yesterday at the -- how could you have so many checkpoints and is still have violations of these checkpoints -- one person said it knows where estimate. The more checkpoints we have more violations we have -- and what yesterday's attacks show is that insurgents and whoever these insurgents work. You have still possessed very you don't pretty remarkable prowess in carrying out these attacks these were not easy targets they were there were fortified their behind blast walls. And twice in two months they've managed to pull them off -- You -- the aftermath of the attacks are important as the attacks themselves with what they're doing is wrecking. Pillars of the State's authority and that has that offer for operations I think for weeks and months to come."

" Well they're also killing women and children we understand one of the buildings. That was filled with women and children waiting to get some sort of compensation because of a previous. Bombing and people saw bodies split. Flying in the air you use when he spoke to people who saw this."

" gonna backfire on these insurgents you know it's is they're going to be a backlash in the that's tough to say I mean how much violence this country's had to endure. You when you looked at faces. At the scene yesterday walking across the bridge toward the provincial headquarters toward the Ministry's. You know it was it was more than a far away look it was almost a -- look and you heard that same cinema I think and and in conversations with people it's just you know. This is our destiny this is our fate this is how Iraq is."

" Well you said whoever did this is their sense of who did it I know Maliki -- says its followers of Saddam Hussein's -- party. And al-Qaeda is there a sense that it's that or you know I was Sunnis who are upset with the Shiite dominated government."

" You after August attacked prime minister Maliki. Accused baathist basically any leader brought that include Honda. I think a lot of people thought he overreached on that there is playing politics. The Americans were very clear that they -- not think it was remnants of the Baath Party if not it was kinda. I think that's going to be the same assumption in this attack but -- a lot of uncertainty. About who is exactly behind these attacks. Well."

" And he can ask you to speculate they're going to. We start by saying General Petraeus said that he didn't think that this is not lead to Iraqis asking the US troops to stay after the scheduled pull out in the summer. Do you think he's right."

" You I think it's very clear. From this administration that this is not their war and it's hard to imagine how. Much of an increase in violence we have to see for the administration to reverse course and send troops back in here I mean I think the withdrawal is pretty much a done deal. What kind of conditions. Are are taking place is that withdrawal happens is another question I think it's very possibly could see more violence even dramatic violence. In the run up to the election in the -- have a very precarious six or seven months after the election. In which you try to form a government and that that in itself is going to be a dangerous game as well."

" Anthony CD Washington Post foreign correspondent he is in Baghdad. At the -- studios there Anthony thank you so much for giving us some time today my pleasure. Willie that's your thoughts on this or any story just go to here now dot org click on contact us to send an email or you can scroll down leave -- comment right there on the homepage. Still ahead today the cinematic sounds of Patrick Watson and the wooden arms -- have a wooden arms means van. Here and now."

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" And other young welcome back here and now the judges in the war crimes trial of Radovan Karadzic are vowing the trial will begin tomorrow. With -- without a former Bosnian Serb leader and it might just be without. The trial was scheduled to begin today at The Hague. But Karadzic refused to leave his cell claiming he has not enough time to prepare for the trial since his arrest in July 2008. He is 1 of the central figures from the Baltimore triggered by the breakup of Yugoslavia. The indictment against him includes the 1995 massacre -- heats -- Where thousands of Muslim men and boys were slaughtered by Serb forces despite the presence of Dutch peacekeepers. The BBC's Allan little went to -- need to recently to talk to people about the character it's trial and Allen prepared this report."

" That's reverent and so the -- Bosnian since two yielding evidence. Carefully a mechanical digger is -- a little slit trench proving the soil for more bodies of those who donate. This is perhaps the darkest episode of Bosnia's war. 8000 Muslim men and boys who voted here in the space of five days. When the Bosnian Serb Army seized the Muslim populated enclave. This is assigned to field -- fracture with a Dutch battalion. Sets up there headquarters if we go in -- need to hear. We come into one of the vast kindness. Where people turned up. In those crucial days in the middle of July 1995. Seeking refuge of people came here because they believed that they would be safe. In fact this place teeming with thousands of terrified people turned out to be simply. A kind of waiting room for the massacre among the people who came here seeking safety was -- To monitor --"

" I don't I had I spent two nights in this hole with my dual ten. Whenever I come back to this empty factory I hear again the screams. I see the wounded people the horrifying scene can I ask you -- the try to broad approach. Won't do you think it's important. Yeah. Not all of the war criminals are important but we believe it was Karadzic who was behind this. Who gave eulogies to commit mass -- and ethnically cleanse the country."

" At the church on the hill above separates a town center. Local Serbs are celebrating an orthodox Christian holy day. They sit around an enormous table -- grew to meet and being skewed and drinking -- may plum brandy. Outside the young man -- beer and cigarettes and sing to the deafening beat to the backing track. A song to the glory of Radovan Karadzic."

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" Where are you brother -- of on the song says the Serbian homeland will never give you up. And they blast the music out of loudspeakers. And the sound of it carries through the streets of town and now synonymous with -- the host of the celebration -- each. Whether he thought Radovan Karadzic was guilty."

" Notched up to the -- when you know what that that's for the courts in The Hague to decide to. And do you think that this community has recovered from moved on from the Mexico where the spirit -- Additionally -- and there was one in 1992. People only took about what happened in 95 but in 1992. Said religious -- were burned down that people were killed. There was lots of victims on our side as well Serbs and Muslims where over."

" Tennis in Bosnia is -- of parallel truths. Serbian public opinion has never accepted the war crimes were committed in the name of the Serbian people. Many years deny the -- it's amounts could even occurred to the evidence though is all around."

" The charges that about a thousand of the men and boys rounded up extravagance who brought here to this shabby rundown concrete. Well -- house just up the road. And if you go inside you could see what kind of replaces. There are windows about six or seven feet from the ground and you can see that once you're inside here all you've got his concrete walls and those few windows of this note. -- The accusation is that the government stood here by the door. And open forum after throwing grenades only a handful of 2200. Here survived. You can still see the bullet holes in the rules beneath the windows."

" That report from the BBC's Allan little. Earlier today we quoted George Stephanopoulos -- new ABC poll that shows only 20% of Americans. Call themselves Republicans and only 19%. Say they trusted congressional Republicans. But his guest Republican senator Mitch McConnell responded to Stephanopoulos that at least one Democrat in Virginia was distancing himself from President Obama. Residents in Virginia and New Jersey choose a new governor next week -- despite those polls are not Republicans. Virginia is being seen as a litmus test on the Obama presidency would start there Anita Kumar is covering the Virginia race for the Washington Post. -- at Virginia has Republican and former state attorney general Bob McDonnell facing the Democrat that Mitch McConnell is talking about that's -- deeds. A former state senator how each man trying to cast the race."

" McDonnell a Republican is talking a lot about jobs and the economy. He's also talked a lot about national issues he realizes partly so that the national it is really -- Republicans right now."

" You say the national mood that we see the polls where the Republicans seem to be plummeting."

" I I keynote Spoelstra and I find that interesting because even our own Washington Post falls in the last few months. We've seen that in Virginia the atmosphere for Republicans is better than it has been more people are aligning themselves with the party and more people. You know in every poll I don't have been meeting until more people are embracing the Republicans are even not in the states."

" Well as you say McDonald trying to tie the Democrat deeds to programs coming out of Washington. Dean's backers have been trying to time -- to his more conservative past as a grad student twenty years ago. He wrote that working women feminists and homosexuals were detrimental to the family. But that didn't seem to be working from the -- side how is deeds trying to craft himself."

" He's talked a lot about education is the commercial out of that he is also talked about jobs and the economy. Transportation the F a lot of his time has been spent on. Talking about Bob McDonnell and that speech is that you mention. From twenty years ago theory considers it used in there that actually Bob McDonnell has said about some of them I've changed my mind."

" Well Virginia has typically bitter red state lately it looked a little blue or when Barack Obama carried it last year it was the first democratic presidential candidate to do that cents a Lyndon Johnson in 64. And Democrats have won the last two governor's races but we know in the last eight. Gubernatorial elections in Virginia. The party -- the president has always lost. The year after he was elected so is his perhaps just following that formula or do you think of something more going on."

" I think that what you mentioned about the White House is really important. Did that -- here the first significant races after. A presidential race and you can always feel sort of a backlash no matter how popular at the person going in rock on the very popular. Are going and -- always started and anxiety about is the president and are now that he's not going -- reverberates every four years in Virginia."

" Well Jim margolies who's a former senior adviser to Obama's presidential campaign as cardinal Los Angeles Times as saying. He advise Obama now to stay away from both Virginia and New Jersey to have focus his energy on other things. Quick to something is that the papers calling Obama hang over here that. The left just doesn't have the anger in the motivation at the right has in this campaign."

" Well -- Obama is actually in Virginia tomorrow though others will be back around with -- and there have been a lot of people crashing Alaska. Week that -- it the opposite if he'd pushed Obama away when he should have actually embraced him. To get -- the that -- yet back."

" Anita Kumar the Washington Post Anita thanks so much. Well now let's turn that other governors race in New Jersey this not seen as a referendum on Obama as much as so when that focuses on local issues from jobs to driving records. Democratic incumbent governor Jon Corzine is facing Republican former US attorney Chris Christie is also an independent former Republican Chris -- get. Tom Moran is columnist for the star ledger in New Jersey -- start with Corzine house he campaigning."

" Corzine is -- sort of classic liberal. He's expanded health care or preschool that's -- thing even during tough times is presenting himself also. Being a former CEO of Goldman Sachs is presenting yourself as an economic manager. And that is that it is trouble unemployment -- rising fast we have among the highest taxes in the country. And when he took over futures he had lower unemployment than the neighboring states now has equal or."

" Higher let's also to his disadvantage to be from Goldman Sachs given what's happened to Wall Street."

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" Chris Christie is in the states US attorney in Newark for the last seven years there's been a great job through about a 130 corrupt politicians in jail. He's basically -- it anti Corzine and it's a decisive leader."

" Let's say with those two for a second because in July it was a huge corruption scandal in your state close allies of the governor or arrested a member of his cabinet resigned. A democratic consultant committed suicide. This -- all seem to just hand issues to Christie -- course and seem to hold on why wouldn't he do."

" Well when you look at polls yeah people because they're corruption appears province in majors -- that's 70% of people say yes. But when you ask them what's the most important -- they take property taxes they -- jobs since the health care correction turns up only 4%. So even though that July series a recipe was 44 people it was outrageous. Even though that happened this did give -- at the time it didn't seem to have lasting power."

" Well and course and we understand also tried to -- Christie as. Someone who was close to George W. Bush and Karl Rove has that worked."

" I think spoke to some degree it's a -- connection. Bush appointed him because -- had raised a lot of money for bush and first place. -- is finished first priority when he gets to the office will be to reduce taxes on households making more than 400000 dollars a year."

" It's been brought up that -- get a motorcycle is while driving the wrong way down one way street we got out of it."

" He apparently told the investigating officer that he was US attorney and received no ticket. So the course of the campaign has been reading too much -- and what would happen to you know few crashed into motorcycles going to run last."

" Of course that's risky for the Corzine had to draw attention to. Problems with driving because of course he had that situation a couple of years ago where his police detail was speeding there was an accident he has seatbelt on."

" They're going about ninety about married governor was almost killed."

" So maybe they cancel each other out on that issue that the -- that the governor Corzine's side put out that seem to be making fun of Chris Christie's. Wait."

" Right it's an -- That includes that that car crashes because he's been throwing its way to --"

" The -- nine people claim they weren't making fun of his weight that's."

" The camera angles -- the low blow it is climbing out of his car it's clearly intended to point out people that -- way."

" Is -- workers -- the back -- Corzine."

" Yeah I think -- back. This script is handled itself well it basically good luck. I'm up and down 3040 pounds this is something -- struggle with and it's no secret and look at how desperate the governor is the focus on my current instead of property taxes."

" And just briefly -- former Republican Chris -- who's running as an independent."

" He's actually making a very strong showing when poll recently had a 120%. He's come up with a plan to really changed teachers he fundamentally but shifting the tax burden from the property tax. To the sales tax someone so he's gotten a lot of attention because he's the only ones saying how he will halt the biggest problem in the state by every poll."

" and columnist for the star ledger in New Jersey Tom thanks so much. Okay take a break when we come back so lovely sounds of Canadian Patrick lots and sounds that sometimes come from pots pans and tree branches. That some of you're listening here now."

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" And thing. Via serial voice of Canadian singer songwriter Patrick Watson -- it wouldn't harms is the title track on his latest CD and also the name of his band. Wouldn't arms is Watson's follow up too close to paradise. Which won the prestigious 2007 Polaris prize Canada's equivalent of the album of the year. For its texture some experimental sounds gained some ooh. And Patrick was in joins us in the studios of the Canadian Broadcasting Corp. CBC in Montreal Patrick welcomed. I how are a fun. Well we just like it quickly to -- favorite tracks on the CD also timely. Because he would -- it was inspired by one of our favorite authors and yours as well this is a song you wrote for where the wild things are."

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" And tiny and the wild things. To move touring he Cindy Buchanan. Wrote the song about where the wild things are and --"

" Well I think that the the joke is as you know when you when you go to the road you start touring like this conflict to -- communion in the -- outside."

" He becomes Ekene I think journalist these things that the ending is it's really -- He comes home in his in his mom's cooking is -- did earnings are having to get home so I think it's a way of looking into -- off often makes me think of of that book."

" Well it wouldn't be a mutual if you write a song for a soundtrack -- composed a number of film scores. Your first recording project was an experimental effort to accompany a book of underwater photography. And your instrumentation. Is inventive to say the least we're pretty sure precaution."

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" You know that was just pots and pans and I think it was a dream that I mean a tree branches. Yeah back as it kind of artists and image in the back and ended face settlements. -- that what. And obviously to create reasoning is some reason that John does like he's a very well accomplished that loses customer. And I think he is Peter breakthrough drugs only started really. -- go out just trying to percussion just keep myself happy and have fun you know and that was definitely one of the moments for you when you into the kitchen got some stuff let's go."

" We understand and other tracks. You use a toilet plunger that sliding doors. And the song Beijing you you plan bicycle it's with a."

" What do you play a bicycle."

" Parts. When it comes December appreciation so we very kind of got inspired by a cartoon music in the expectations sometimes it would pop and a couple of."

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" Can anyone do something that. Out of their regular necessary I think -- action effort into the narrative and making sure that you're telling stories to selecting those type of I you know the frustrations of -- particularly humorous and help tell the story. Because this is after -- Beijing and the Chinese capital. It's filled with -- well I think every talent agents found anything that remark she the most generals hundreds and hundreds of bicycles. Just thinking this is an amazing things he would think you needed -- deficit is remarkable news there."

" No and we understand a visit to Asia was half the inspiration for another of your songs big burden small cage. But that the rested inspiration came during. Performance in New Orleans it would tell us a little more about that's on."

" The original story came I was at a musician's house and Vietnam actually -- he those positions for the hold generations back -- So there two walls of film pictures of their great grandfather's musicians and they also had this incredible collection of like birds and songbird. And -- as one kind of cage in the corner that was like rivers a smaller cage with a can -- drape over top. You know when a list of the Chief Justice expert that. Since -- occasional -- kind of weird logic for the -- burdensome and small -- those people to be Britain's funky easings. It's just something that that kind of just hit me I use this years ago TS and one can't be -- Irish song. The story like that you know -- kind of connect in the -- everything. And I I ahead on the shelf for awhile and I knew I had -- I was wondering Sama then and we are traveling in January means. We ended up the small little barking in the overnight and day -- kind of just made me think about. That story in Asia and use a smaller blues part of a little the little tiny places it just seems like the musicians who dislike. You know it is likely played also shows a small place sometimes they're always the most amazing shows him."

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" That's big bird in the small cage from Canadian singer songwriter Patrick wants in his latest CD is wouldn't arms. Which is awesome -- and Maureen go to our website here and now dot org. We wanted to know would be instrumental track of mine's a monster with two wins because the impact until it was much. French spelling. Out that Patrick in the months to anyone in particular. Drummers Branyan had passed away so. -- vote on them cash and -- things so much. It's a pleasure talking. Here in the house of production and WBUR Boston. Association BBC world service and -- Please choose to see what can we please hear me now."