Title: Here and Now for Monday, November 2, 2009

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" I'm -- young it's here and now the US the UN and Britain are all congratulating Hamid Karzai on winning a second term but proclamation. Earlier today Afghanistan's election commission called off this week's scheduled run off vote. After Karzai's main challenger doctor Abdullah of Duma. Emotionally pulled out of the race over the weekend saying in effect he didn't think a runoff would be any less fraudulent then the first vote lies. Well how are Afghans reacting to this dizzying turn of events the BBC's at least two -- joins us from -- Lisa how are Afghans are reacting."

" Or getting a lot of different reactions tonight in the Afghan capital many Afghans I think every -- debt that this seems to bring an end to this more than two month long election crisis that they know at last it. Who beat their president for the next five years. What we're finding is certainly among the political class here in callable most of the members of parliament that I've spoken to say. They don't accept this decision they don't think it's constitutionally correct they don't would be that the independent election commission. Has the right to simply canceled the second round distance of -- for security financial and political reasons so. I'm afraid it doesn't seem as though the election crisis which is really a political crisis. Is overreacted at Hamid Karzai still has a steep hill to climate. In terms of convincing a lot of Afghans that this is a legitimately elected government what does that mean going forward. Well I think a lot of Afghans and certainly the Afghan allies in the international community would very much light to move forward -- The country has been held back by this election crisis set. Businesses have been drawn to a halt many of the wealthy business people are actually flying out to -- A lot of investors I've spoken to say that -- they're taking their money out of the country the uncertainty is not good in of course. All of this out uncertainty that the election comes in most Afghans certainly in the more remote parts of the country simply want to concentrate on preparing for winter. And all the signs are that it will be harsh winter indeed."

" Well a David acts are out of course senior adviser to President Obama. Told CBS this morning that every poll that's been taken suggested that Avila a dual it was going to lose anyway. So we'll deal with a government that's there and as you said countries are lining up to congratulate. Karzai's. But do we senses to what really happened -- is a doctor Abdul did he drop out or was he pushed."

" That is a very very long story and I think as journalists as -- Robert -- the first drop to fifty history and that is very rough indeed I know from having. Talk to doctor Abdullah and to his supporters throughout this crisis he would've liked to have found a more negotiated two way out of this there was one. Tense meeting between doctor Abdullah Abdullah and Hamid Karzai is no love lost eighteen and at this point in time. Doctor of those hoping they could find a way forward but. I'm Karzai is still furious he believes that he won the selection parents where he still doesn't accept that there was significant fraud he was essentially forced. To accept -- to ground under. Quite significant international pressure particularly from Washington so he wasn't in a mood at. To do anything called power sharing -- it tacky doesn't like power sharing all he will talk about. Is national unity. As so it's been a very difficult to have relationship between doctor Abdullah and Hamid Karzai but doctor Abdullah I think. What part of him feels that he's done even better that he and his support is expected in challenging Hamid Karzai. But the key and most of his supporters in the dark of night would say they didn't really expect to win in the second -- liking they expected to fare well. And so for doctor -- of the challenge was how old do I preserve might enhance political status. But still preserve the principles that I'm supposed to be campaigning on an -- he came out and said. I don't think the minimum conditions have been met I don't think there will be free and fair poll so I'm going to withdraw from the -- says the big question now is that they what happens to doctor Abdullah. He selling people but he will go in to the opposition. But of course this is a country where the recent apolitical strapped to -- recent political parties partly because kind of cars I won't have anything to do with them he says it too reminiscent. Of the days of Soviet occupation in the 1980s. Well and what impact will all of this have on president Obama's. Thinking about sending troops what's the speculation. President Obama's decision on troops was incredibly difficult even with -- to this election crisis that this. Prices over the legitimacy of the new leader in Afghanistan is certainly going to make it even harder you've heard from. Lawmakers in Washington saying that they can send 40000 more men and women on to the front line putting their lives at risk. If they feel there isn't a credible partner in Afghanistan. Now we've had a statement now from the United States and other allies welcoming the decision of the independent election commission is quite frankly they want to move on there isn't any time to waste in many state. The only person who won this election -- group that did was the Talabani."

" BBC's -- to set in Kabul Afghanistan -- thanks as always thank you."

" Let's turn now to a domestic matter. The Obama administration says 640000. Jobs have been saved or created so far by stimulus money. Well about a hundred of those jobs are at two federal agencies. Which will hire even more workers to manage one small slice of stimulus money. The seven billion dollars that's been earmarked to improve high speed Internet access in underserved communities. President Obama's Telecom advisors says that's a fraction of what's needed infect the government's been flooded with requests to spend four times that amount. Why load any year what they hope to do with the money in rural North Carolina and impart to Detroit. But first in the Idaho Panhandle according -- Indian tribe is asking for twelve million dollars in stimulus funds. To help the Tribe's own Internet service provider connect 3700 homes on this huge largely rural reservation. Among the goals help tribal members get better access to read his cast. That's the tribes video sharing website. Some sounds from a recent visit cans on the court -- Indian reservation. That pretty fast course is the -- information technology director. Valerie most people on the reservation are not connected to the Internet at home because. There out of reach of your current wireless towers. Or maybe there was too much into interference with the -- signals. So how do you hope to use stimulus money to get around."

" We are planning on building up fiber optic network on the reservation profile. -- home -- have a very active active very dedicated lines to their house not susceptible to interference."

" Well what did you do this through cell phone or cable company are there any of doing business on the reservation."

" We have the cable company here the cable company and unfortunately. Just couldn't make it in this economy is so he he's pulling out."

" And what -- phone companies like Verizon."

" Verizon is only offering DSL in one of the communities on the whole recitation and they're only on. I've percent of the entire service there is just -- the directions."

" Oh why do you want. T have Internet access for the reservation we hope that people --"

" Our primary culture. -- project in the technology department is to preserve our language culture and our history. We have a language that is I'm very ancient we have that I -- speakers left. Until we're hoping that we can create feature rich content to help from all you don't language liked the way to -- videos or maybe even on my classes -- instruction."

" Can you tell us what your word of the day our phrase of the day today death."

" Well for today it would probably be to look at them because it's Halloween kind how to look around and we are going to -- math."

" And get pretty pretty kid."

" Now -- fast source we know that there are other reasons that you -- have Internet access the same reason most communities who want to have it. But just -- of those reasons read your case it's hard to get to a nearby college so people could take classes at home tell us more."

" But I we live 35 miles away from the community college -- in court lane and north Idaho is known for its treacherous winter weather if we have a closure contact for days weeks. With the -- and people can take classes from home. We also have telemedicine. Projects that we're working on week we use -- exchange right now and split them. That mental health issues -- people defeat their service providers speech from here can't come to Seattle. And now we're hoping in the future that will have access to have more talked -- smart medicine more professional them in the health field for that our people have a higher quality care. Without ever having to leave the community."

" Since the tribe members were pretty impoverished. Until a casino was built in nearly 1990s. Now you say anyone who wants -- job can have one on the reservation because of the casino. But some would say why not then -- casino money to pay for this expanded in an -- use the stimulus money."

" Well that money from the casino is going to help and that's project. Directions funding sources did at -- this -- is. Caught kept and which can then -- required borrow 60%. That total project. The other fund is. 8020%. 8020 where it. Federal government will pay 80% of the project in the -- be expected to take when he presented to the tribal casino will go towards finding this project. It's just that the attack cannot afford to take for the whole project I'll buy it self."

" Spelling -- to seize the information technology director for the court -- tried there in the Idaho Panhandle. Valley and you windy here whether or not you're of the recipients of stimulus funds the facility of."

" Thank you -- collapse mean lets me keep my heart. Thank you. Actually went to England thank you."

" OK I continued to go to the list here we see Philadelphia is also looking for federal stimulus money. To connect city services like the police and fire stations to bring computers to housing projects or. Wire up the library and you might remember five years ago Philadelphia partnered with the private company EarthLink ink. To blanket the city with wireless access but EarthLink pulled out because there was no business model now we're going to hear that's still a problem for private companies. But it's also why nonprofits have sprung up let's look at one. Wally Bowen is the executive director of the mountain area information network or Maine as it's called it's -- nonprofit based in Asheville in the rural western part of North Carolina in the Appalachian Mountains -- the Appalachian Mountains appear. And Wally you're asking for 2.5 million dollars in stimulus funds would wanna spend."

" Well there's three parts to our project one is that. Extremely rural county here in the mountains. Called Korean Cantonese and we can only in North Carolina doesn't have a four lane road and in 1996. When we first brought service out there with dialogue they had to call long distance is on the Internet. He's -- except there's still. Dial up. The other part is in Asheville and -- of our lower income neighborhoods in public housing developments. And -- third piece is mountain state park which is -- state park in North Carolina. And they're doing a lot of scientific research internal education they have no broadband access."

" You mentioned that you have some service for people we know Maine was launched in 1996. And you've got about 1200 dial up subscribers those people you mentioned have to call long distance. About 400 wireless subscribers and a couple hundred more people who buy Internet service for a few hours or days at a time. Now how do you wanna make it wireless for everybody."

" In the actual area that we want to extend this Wi-Fi -- out of this city."

" Why -- cloud describe that because you're just hearing how on Indian reservation they wanna go fiber optic and every home but you wanna use this. Wi-Fi cloud explained that."

" Well and we're going to be used in some -- as well but not teach. Basically we are distributing but he -- Block by block and house by house. Just like Lily pads on the pond -- these giant Wi-Fi hotspots. Covering this city and little overlapping."

" This is first state of the -- we continue -- the sort of mesh node transmitters these Lily pads if you will unlike posts and generate up from there."

" Yeah and they're just little stuff aside and not strategic. Just -- downtown Asheville. I have a a lifeline in the kids to our leaving school they -- community center. Still has access software music and city. We have about eighty of these and there's just thousands they aren't."

" It's really Bowman who runs a nonprofit mountain area information network in North Carolina would come back to Britain could break. We'll come back and hear his plans for stimulus money but also ask why can't. Private companies do this and later today Latin jazz great conscience conscience. Back in one minute here and now."

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" Welcome back we're talking today about the hopes of getting federal stimulus money to expand high speed Internet access in underserved communities. Wally Bowen is executive director of the mountain area information network they're based in Asheville, North Carolina. He's hoping to get two and a half million dollars to create a state of the art wireless network in his part of the Appalachian Mountains and -- from people who don't live in a rural area why can't you just call your cable or phone company and get the service."

" folks to don't literally is just don't understand what a crisis it is you just can't keep. Get high speed Internet through cable or the phone company and and you're lucky to get you know go to Atlanta lines for dial up what -- is the business models. The cable company in the phone companies the big carriers their business most do not work in these various. They're gonna and deploy their networks where where they get their greatest rate of return."

" There and the more affluent neighborhoods where there's lots and lots of people who who can pay lots of money. For the service."

" The other thing is that at this time last year we collect 300 stories of people it was called our life without broadband stories and we -- Story after story of people who moved to the mound build there -- Telecommuting from their job in Baltimore Charlotte. And when they look to go you know cable company web side and from complete web site it looked like they had brought in there. Called up the phone company called the cable company. Notes and they have no plans to bring it there it really -- actually -- On our economic development job creation. And people just managing -- applies -- health insurance and medical conditions there educations. And it's a serious crisis in rural America and we're in a position to solve that problem."

" Police say it in Europe a rural town of Asheville. You a lot of artists lot of entrepreneurs -- you -- people who have relocated data telecommute right but are there also people who just couldn't afford to pay a servant fees to have. Bring wireless and."

" Absolutely and that I mentioned Graham -- there unemployed in this country around 20% in this economy and even that this small portion of the county where their -- and DSL from the phone company. You a lot of offense can't afford it in in the lower income neighborhoods. Here in Asheville. You know it's so folks can do to to afford to have a cellphone according dropped their way. And lines long and another. Part of our proposal is fiber expansion from. Our sister nonprofit PRC brought them. We have made a robust. Nonprofits fiber platform -- them. Which to build wireless service in the real advantage particularly in the -- rural area."

" So you're pointing out that unlike a lot of underserved or poor areas you already have an infrastructure to build on that. You know in -- you're underscoring what a class issue information has become because. In other parts of the country if you don't have an infrastructure you you can even start."

" It's it has searchers and one of the things mentioned the life without broadband stories. One of things that we learned to understand is that. With the advent of the Internet to rural areas 1015 years ago people make some real advances in their lives with mansion -- medical conditions. Working from home starting up and business. Advancing their educations. Well we're now hearing is that these folks who made some advances. Are losing that progress because. They're losing their jobs they're losing their businesses -- him losing the chance to. Cancer education they can manage their medical conditions like states ten years it really -- class situation and really a story that hasn't gotten the attention it deserves."

" Bowen executive director of the mountain area information network mean there in Asheville, North Carolina well thanks so much. And as well he said companies don't wanna go into port areas because it doesn't fit their business model let's hear about that now from the Telecom company that does wanna go. Into underserved areas but want help doing it because of these issues. -- wire corporation is asking for nineteen point four million dollars of stimulus money. To bring its next generation WiMax technology to a handful of poor neighborhoods in Detroit. John bonds is national logistics manager for clear -- And John you told us at your company relies on investors for capital in order to start big projects like this and your investors just don't see the numbers adding up."

" We look at all the cities to -- that we would write in the terms of financial attractiveness -- our market people looked different cities to Detroit to particularly the -- Detroit. The returns are what surprised that they aren't. While various."

" But win government help those numbers start to add up."

" That's correct the government isn't paying for the entire investment but. Could government incremental investment -- paper in March call investment opportunity an attractive investment up."

" Beer companies also applied for stimulus money for work in other parts of the country Puerto Rico and Georgia. Still others innocent people might wonder why should the private for profit company get public money. To reduce some being that -- even just a few years ago we thought was a lecturing."

" In perhaps it was electric several years ago but did to change in the population's use of the Internet just there's just so. Dramatic episode according to previous. Guest says that. -- lower income people don't have access to Internet there at a disadvantage. Somebody jobs don't just post -- on the Internet. That you can't have access to Japan chops it. It just don't have the same opportunity and that applies so much and education if you get Google something. It's -- to do research and a short period of time."

" He certainly the government at one point help being. When the railroads get built."

" This is infrastructure in the classic sense of him making us want community and building bridges and beckoning. A successful to each other."

" John -- national logistics manager for the Telecom company clear wire applying for broadband stimulus money. So that they can go into inner city Detroit John thanks so much."

" Okay a look at head tomorrow I'm here and now we'll take a look at the new black Barbie she comes in the number of skin tones. She was designed by an African American woman. Her hair is unrealistically silky smooth with -- And you can buy hair straightening -- for her to speak for the young black journalists about what message this sends about what she calls the -- the new black -- won't cross that's tomorrow. Still ahead today twenty years ago this month the Berlin Wall came down. Really it wasn't an accident historic -- if that's still to come after the latest news here and now."

" The people of upstate New York's 23 congressional district go to the polls tomorrow. In an election has become a proxy battle for the heart of the Republican Party but everyone from Sarah Palin and Glenn -- to Newt Gingrich weighing -- And these new voters will have one less candidate to choose from. After Republican assemblywoman. The conservative party's nominee. Conservative Republicans from outside the state made schools of -- punching bag because she supports gay marriage abortion rights and the stimulus package. And they drove her poll numbers into the ground Charlie much has CN is national political editor for politico and Charlie. A political writers have called this -- Republican civil war how just how much is it reverberating."

" Well we're utterly engrossed by this right now Robin this race is the talk of Washington in which -- of grassroots activists and activists from the tea party movement on one side in the Republican establishment in Washington DC. Or the other and and what's going on here is that. The Republican establishment in Washington DC decides to back to a fairly liberal Republican for the nomination and the problem is. Even by moderate new York Republican standards TDs Gaza -- that the Republicans. It's very very liberal and it's not just -- capable northeastern Republicans the problem is that she's very close to labor it's almost impossible to know why she's in the Republican Party when you take a look at her into positions. And so what this happens that you should be warmest revolt. Against her candidacy ultimately that culminated in her announcement Saturday which you try to drop out of the race."

" It started with Sarah Palin knocking her on Palin's own website that you had people like Michael Steele a house minority leader John Boehner backing her these are not. Liberal Republican he's a conservative Republicans how much has this upset the apple cart. They you know people like Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin seem to steer. With the Republican Party is doing in New York."

" Well I think in some ways the attention that's been focused on this race is a little bit misguided I think many people particularly in the media have missed a larger lesson here -- it's not so much about the Republican Party and how conservatives will not allow. Anyone who doesn't toe the party line in into the party orthodoxy. That's part of this but really what it's about it's about tremendous. Opposition in antipathy toward the Republican establishment in Washington they're pushing back and listen to this kind of anything for a majority mindset where you would. Put party resources behind someone who's just -- Republicans someone who actually which switched parties become a Democrat which he got the congress that this is going to float."

" Well meanwhile who's the Conservative Party candidate dead. Sarah Palin and others are backing who has this Doug Hoffman."

" Well that's a great question I think that people really don't believe he's -- businessman he actually saw the Republican Party nomination its first."

" This even live on the 23 congressional district."

" No he's not an actual red it is not something that Democrats -- it very hard on its -- of -- who recently dropped out she also made reference to that subtly in her drop down announcement. But the thing is nobody knew who this guy who once you've never run for office before you to businessmen who actually -- the Republican nomination and lost it. Discuss the father it's sort of at the heart of this waste. This with there was no primary there regional election in which that's partly why it was so angry it was eleven -- chairman in upstate New York who made the call."

" Well meanwhile this is turned into with -- colleagues are calling the Republican family feud you have columnists like Michelle Malkin excoriating. People like Newt Gingrich. -- Fox News Angela indexing that's classify them was a fan of a viking fan of Karl Marx. Yeah it just says he got really ugly how concerned are. Republican Party leaders John Maynard -- on them on Sunday talk shows that he feels the GOP needs more moderates in the party but won't they. And entice Iran will they be attacked. But Michelle Malkin Glenn -- of the world."

" Well I think Republican leaders in Washington are extremely concerned about this other concerned because it's the -- creating within the party but they're also concerned for more practical reasons which is that one of the things that many of the -- party activists think interactions were doing was. You were telling prospective Republican Dorsey don't keep your money to the national party just gonna go to camp basically that's. And so this figuring very worrisome -- to Republican leader. If people are withholding report cutting money from the Republican Party committees. That are designed to elect house candidates is senate candidates ultimately you've got this enormous reports second extends to the entire political map."

" Politicos national political editor Charlie in the testing in speaking about tomorrow's election in New York's 23. Congressional district and also. And how it's obviously rippling out from there try thanks so much. Remember if you have -- thoughts on this or any story just go to here and now dot org and click on contact us. When we come back the days leading up to the phones -- the wrong here and here's a quick look at some of the stories we're following for you today. Officials in Pakistan are investigating two separate suicide bombings today police outside of Lahore were about searching car at a roadblock when the person inside blew it -- Seven officers were injured. This happened just hours after another suicide bomber killed at least 35 people in the city of well indeed to not far from Pakistan's capital. Many of the victims were reading outside of a bank to collect their salaries. Also today the USS New York arrived in its namesake city. I. New York -- and the votes welcome the new assault ship as it made its way to several spots in the city. Including a spot not far from ground zero. The USS New York was built with seven and a half tons of steel from the fallen World Trade Center towers. It will remain in the city to veterans day that it will sail to Virginia for a year of crew training and exercises. And funny in New York meat company has recalled almost 546000. Pounds of ground beef. The beef was sold by Fairbank farms it's linked to several cases of E. Coli. Related illnesses and one death in New England. The meat being called was also sold at supermarkets along the east coast for more go to our website here and now -- A well it's funny years ago this month the Berlin Wall Europe's most poignant symbol of communism in the Cold War felt. For three decades it's separated east and west Berlin but at midnight November ninth -- gates along the wall were opened thousands surged through. And the -- as they say is history. So up to that day -- Casa -- of Deutsche Welle radio has this story."

" We want -- the demonstrators in -- of shouted. It was September 4 1989. Some 1200 protesters had gathered outside of saint Nicholas church following the regular Monday prayer for peace. It was the first of what became known as the Monday demonstrations. -- skies in east German scientist at one of the leading dissidents at the time. Sick people at this point began to take their fates into their own hands. It."

" Certain mood -- people forgot about. Being anxious people begin to -- prompting -- that you can just wait."

" What started as a small opposition soon became a mask grassroots movements. Over the next weeks the protests in -- sick but also in other east German cities swelled to over 100000. People. They demanded freedom of travel in opinion as well as free elections. We are the people they shouted but their calls fell on deaf ears among the country's socialist leadership. Though the domestic reform process in the Soviet Union under head of state Mikhail Gorbachev. Paved the way for increased democracy across the eastern bloc. The GDR government under image Chanukah refused to make any reforms. It's stuck firmly to its political course. Even celebrating the fortieth anniversary of the country's founding on October 7. With great com. The east German people don't have had enough of the Chanukah regime. But increasing numbers were taking to the streets to protest for their rights others were finding ways to leave the country entirely. Tens of thousands particularly young people fled the country via the neighboring eastern bloc states during the summer holidays. They sought refuge in the west German missions in Prague Budapest -- Chinese Berlin. A large number went to Hungary as it had already begun to dismantle its -- to Austria in the early summer. And finally removed all border restrictions in late August. The east German regime begin feeling the pressure. It slowly realized that its policy of confinement of its citizens was on shaky grounds. An internal power struggle toppled -- forcing him to resign on October 18. His successor -- Koreans announced a turn around a change of course for the sole ruling party the SED. But the people were no longer willing to be appeased they did not accept Cummins who had been among the ruling circle for too long. His appointment only sparked new protests. With demonstrations spreading across the entire country. And culminating in a one million strong rally at Alexander squaring east Berlin on November 4. To stem the exodus into west Germany the SED leadership decided to loosen the country's stringent travel rules. East Berlin's Communist Party spokesman international -- ski. Told a press conference on November ninth 1989. That east Germans would be allowed to travel directly to west Germany without a visa."

" About that I have not been almost Lankan born before you. On phones that some and -- private trips abroad can be applied for without presenting requirements. Such as the reason for travel. And naming relatives. Commission will be granted it short note his. This takes effect to my knowledge it's immediately without delay."

" The directive was not supposed to take effect until the next day. But -- skis blunder broadcast live on television. Led to one of the most remarkable historical events of the late twentieth century. That night the symbol of the Cold War finally fell. Thousands of east and west berliners climbed onto the wall calling the wall is gone and east berliners had flooded to the walls checkpoints after the news of -- statements spread like wildfire. The vastly outnumbered border guards surprised and overwhelmed by the -- decided to open the borders and let the stream of people through. West Berlin's mayor by ten month was exuberance."

" That's not available days. All studios we're gonna get your lungs it's."

" This was a moment that we've been waiting for for Sutton home. Put 28 years since the war was built on August the thirteenth 1961. We've yen and hoped for this day. We Germans and now -- happy as people in the world."

" The free elections took place in the GDR in March 1990. East Germany citizens have had enough. Close to 50% voted for the opposition pro unification alliance for Germany. In the next few months negotiations were held between the two German states and the former allied powers on the conditions for German unification. And on October 3 1990. The two Germanys were reunited."

" That report forms of vinik has to grand a -- of fellow radio -- massacre that earlier. Here in just a coda to her story. Music from the German heavy metal band the scorpions. They were from west Germany never allowed to play in east Germany because their music was considered the -- they sang in English and -- a -- to love our. This song is called the wind of change it came out in 1990 and was. 1990 one's biggest selling single worldwide. Lead singer plus minus says that while not everything is -- it's moving in the unified Germany has no regrets people are free this is irreversible second and now."

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" Those hands slapping the -- belong to percussionist and band leader conscious conscience. He's been called the hardest working man in the world of Latin jazz. According almost an album in years since 1982 of his latest release is psychedelic blues. Critics are calling it an elegant swaggering and sensual swing a compliment. He's already legendary that the trial. And poncho Sanchez joins us from the studios of NPR west in Culver City time to welcome. Thank you very much how you do I'm just fine how would you describe this latest if there's so many what what does this most recent CD say musically."

" You know I decided to go back to the original. Roots owner of the original thing that could mean Lou on the map shall speak. -- and go back to the Latin jazz stuff. Although I that we do have a couple of salsa numbers on the CD. And oil we also have been doing a lot of soul music which I -- Latin soul on the pass CDs. But we decided concentrated in and kind of country on the Latin jazz stuff instrumental stuff you know."

" And earlier roots but let's listen to the title track its psychedelic blues. But neither psychedelic. Or really blues it's like a mom both. On steroids let's listen. Let's let's remind yourself of your journey of -- in Laredo Texas the youngest of eleven children. Dancing to the music as much he felt that Tito went -- Vodafone is counted her. And and you've paid tribute. Too many of those people who influenced you mom including one that's on the new CD it's a tribute to fellow percussionist delete relieved Bo -- let's listen to."

" And him to do that. It's called -- neck bones and some home Fries."

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" You know we'll try. I'll tell you. Come about Willie Bobo great for passengers died very."

" A couple of times also. And it's. -- there was justices agreed -- all around precocious as a great jazz drummer also can do quite a few jazz is split on jazz drums on the traps that. And used to plea drums and eighteen mile as with -- intercourse before he started his home and."

" said. Died too young and cancer at 49 in 1983 and we -- thinking. -- buddy rich. Was gone a few years later 1987. Yes and there are many great for cash to spread her one you know that seem to -- you is one of the few. Who's also -- band leader."

" Mean will this have been called me for a little while another keeper of the flame in a so I guess that's what it is you know all these did -- the pioneers of the Latin jazz. All my heroes that most of them all gun which would on the will be global to plan did more Lucent -- country well it is. You know all the old -- that aquinas. Not a great ones are gone now you know."

" Poncho Sanchez you've played with some of the greats in the worlds of Latin and jazz music -- announced have Niko on. But to regret never having played."

" Well you know of course John Coltrane you know although on this new CD we also recorded it John Coltrane peace. Called a Grand Central. That's written by John Coltrane. "

" And my trumpet player Rob -- to the people arrangement that and but you of the fact that we never. Got depleted that's that's something. When did this."

" The poncho Sanchez band's tribute to John Coltrane with varying technical things classic Grand Central."

" And poncho besides paying -- much to those who have gone before you also attract guest stars on your recordings. On the new CD they include trumpet virtuoso Arturo send a -- he makes an appearance with a solo on the track crisis of 2000."

" Sanchez you mentioned that they claim -- keeper of the flame for keeping Latin jazz alive. Back in 2007 RC -- Filmmaker made a documentary value called keeper of the flame that was about a workshop and performance. At the University of New Mexico and -- is another reason she did it is because there isn't so little exposure. Of Latin jazz. Which reminds -- Ken Burns documentary jazz was criticized for leaving out some communities including the Latin jazz community."

" Do you agree it's gotten a little -- Williams somewhat it is to convinced did leave out. They just showed that a picture of Calle real quick and that was it you know I was just real quick in passing. Latin jazz and and it's happened again they're showing another. Thing. On the air is about. Let music UC something like that. And they've also kind of left -- Latin jazz again but nevertheless -- steal. And very proud of the fact that. Latin jazz is definitely growing all over the world now and -- because I remember this music as a young boy. When it was not very popular at all but now -- what. Will improve we traveled over the world and we've played in all China. Singapore. New Zealand please you would never dreamed they like Latin jazz so it is definitely growing but there has been I think can be."

" Expose a little more hours this blood test great poncho Sanchez his new CD is psychedelic blues mourn their website tear him -- can go out. With his arrangement of Herbie Hancock's camera island. Hunter's son says we are very much in doing this CD. And we look forward to you know whatever we've lost count it's either going to be -- seven number number 26 whatever is next something like that again -- Thank you thank you -- Here now is a production of WBUR Boston. -- with the BBC world service and you. Hi I'm Robin please join us again here and now."

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