Title: Here and Now for Tuesday, November 3, 2009

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" I'm running young it here and now voters are heading to the polls today accusing governor in Virginia and New Jersey or. Choose a mayor in cities like Detroit Pittsburgh and Boston. In the next 23 congressional district they'll choose between a Democrat and Conservative Party candidate for congress after Republican candidate dropped out. An analyst states will decide on ballot measures on a range of issues from medical marijuana to casino gambling. Two rights for same sex couples and that's on the ballot in Washington State. Where voters will decide whether to overturn an existing line that would extend more legal protections to domestic partners. The love falls short of marriage and it hasn't gone into effect yet. And the group protect marriage Washington is hoping to prevent it from going into effect with the ballot question they've pushed through they gathered there. 138000. Signatures to get what's known as a referendum 71 on the ballot there in Washington. And now those in favor of gay rights are waging a legal battle to get the names on the petition made public. And that could have national implications let's -- in there to start with Austin Jenkins he's political reporter for northwest news network and joins us from Olympia Washington Austin. The groups that want the names released."

" Basically they are gay rights supporters who feel that the people who sign these petitions. To put this measure on the ballot should be -- and their intention is to take petitions. And to articulate trying to copies of them and to put their names addresses and signatures and searchable database. On line. With the idea that you can look it up and it. If you -- somebody you know on that list and you think that they are wrong on the question of domestic partnerships you think they'll have a frank conversation."

" Well the group knows thy neighbor dot org is one of these groups pushing for names to be released they've posted names of petition signers in the past and Massachusetts Arkansas Florida. And no we read a quote in the New York Times in the group's co director Tom Lange who says for social change to happen their has to be a shame being part. What's the reaction that comment."

" Well I if you do we live it and knew Eric here with respect to this process. Citizen petitioning their government. And -- this is done on paper. And nobody much cared about these signature gathering efforts but now because of the Internet somebody can take an electronic copy of this simply. You're information on the Internet. And I think it's a new reality that a lot of people is an expedition had not thought about implications before the local -- here's who signed or conspiracy young. Activist whose basic beat said. This is public information and I have the capability from a software programming and point to put this into a searchable database. And I'm gonna do that night and the public has the right to now. And the question -- does that in any way legally impact people's first amendment rights. If there are privacy concern here that the course and courts are now."

" Well and there are strange bedfellows and all of this the secretary of state there is a moderate Republican. But he wants the names released which puts him in the same side of the argument with advocates for same sex rights committee and the secretary of state. Has released petition -- names in the past that he's not now lie."

" Well even that order but US Supreme Court that's what's so fascinating about this is that that. Reference 71. Backers people who got that on the ballot went to court to block the release of the petitions. This went all the way up to the US Supreme Court. And right now the release of the petitions is on hold. The secretary of state attitude is that Washington has very strong. Open records public records law and basically -- these public unless there's an exemption written into the law and these petitions are not in the locked -- its attitude is it's an obligation. To release in the public. The only block right now is that the courts said. But second inaccurately and until the structure."

" That's the lower court but what is the sense of what the Supreme -- could you do."

" Well everybody is sort of a latency and I think there isn't surprised that it's got to the US Supreme Court and that the Supreme Court interest it. I mean we can be eight years what we're hearing before they decide whether you can take this case of the election will be long over. The public to question about whether petitions are a public document. For future elections will be decided many months on the road."

" Austin Jenkins political reporter for northwest news network speaking to us from Olympia Washington Austin thanks so much. House financial services committee chair Barney Frank says he hopes to send his massive bill to regulate Wall Street. To a full house by the end of this week but. Critics say it's not tough enough. This fall former fed chair Paul Volcker argued for a return to the basic provisions of the Glass-Steagall. Act a law that separated banking from investing. -- that was overturned in 1999. And new book hit the bookstores from writers like the New York is John Cassidy and CNBC's Charles Casper Reno are calling for a return to tougher regulation on Wall Street. So why hasn't that happened. Well today -- of conversation of the Harvard professor who says it's because. We're not teaching is enough more specifically. Business schools aren't teaching that capitalism is about good governance. Bruce gut says that Adam Smith's invisible hand that theory that is each pursues their own self interest there will emerge a common good. Has come to define capitalism at business schools. And while that might have made sense when you're only about a hundred businesses in America it doesn't when there are thousands and trillions of dollars at state. Bruce is professor emeritus at Harvard Business School he created a course there and then watched as proponents of unfettered markets took over. He's now writing a book on the subject and has published a little green book one scholarly chapter called the concept of capitalism. -- trying to get him to explain it to us so I asked him is he saying. -- capitalism works because there are some rules and regulations."

" And it will not work with on him and I've got an eighty's some very good friends in France that worked in the French government reduces him Bruce you've got this wrong what we need to do was -- real similar regulations and -- on. They came over fifteen months ago and has just said hey now we understand him if you don't have a chance can."

" Right now but after you've created -- course at Harvard called business government in the international economy BG IE. Which has become a staple at Harvard and other business schools this was in the seventies and -- included your thinking. You've -- watched in alarm as that kind of thinking was eclipsed by other thinking and by people like Milton Friedman."

" They were to being ideas at Harvard Business School. One was economic strategies or firm strategies. The other one was governance and you govern affirm or Heidi -- society. When we put together the first year course we picked up the notion that country's history as she's just like firms don't that stuck. We didn't understand the translation of the governance principle I didn't think of saying hey the government system is capitalism. I don't think of it and other people that have seen this little green book that you have. This I think if you look at initially. -- really. It's so simple wants to see is how come we didn't see it."

" Is possible that just came upon all of hand it over and over again really smart people will just say hey. I never saw it and much of the reason maybe they didn't see this that there were other voices in the Harvard Business School -- cooler and the ones that -- listened to and then you had people outside the business school at Milton Friedman yeah. Who is saying unfettered. Unfettered as best you had I'm -- you know yes you had the thinking that Alan Greenspan adopted yes what are you thinking when you're watching that."

" That disruption and I felt the same way when I watched the big television serial about Noam -- and I say. They really don't understand you cannot run the system without rules and regulations. Capitalism as a system of governance it's a set of relationships through which a lot of things are governed. It's not the same as being the government the government has to be part of it."

" Well you've got a big fan at the -- economic principles dot com they read about your thinking but also. About a paper you wrote a while back about -- shopping mall of wild bizarre that emerges in the oval places eastern Bosnia after the Balkan wars. American troops show up they set up checkpoints repair roads they enforce long key -- and then two years later suddenly this. Massive bizarre. All the vendors were registered an everyone's paying taxes. What is that anecdote telling you."

" It says is the number one you don't have to have a democratic government the government quote unquote when -- started was a major general. This was Americans coming in and -- we will back you up. And we want this thing to be done by laws and regulations. This market was right at the intersection of the three communities. He had to Boston has here in the crowds here in the Serbs there. And the market took off. Because you had US tanks and US automatic weapons protecting people."

" And you take that metaphor and you play to a country that. And you say he could have this wonderful things are anything goes now but it but it won't work. And unless you have somebody enforcing yes and and that you trust. The law enforcement. You also have other stories other analogies and one that you use has to do is organized sports now a lot of people. Explain markets and capitalism by using organized sports. But you point out we think of sports we mostly think about the actual game yet but there are two other crucial elements you don't think about --"

" Look there's a mark downfield. There are similar rules and there's another group of people on the field -- you know striped shirts and whistle so you've got a whole series of rules and regulations. Of how it's played. If somebody violates the rules you know. And the big thing to understand about capitalism is all these freedoms. All of them are conditional. Upon the Obama yes."

" Fix the major difference what's that in capitalism. You can -- how -- you earned in the market and you can use it to influence yes power you can't do that you can't. In sports go to the -- in -- net like foul."

" Number that's right. So you've got to have a political system that's run by the rule of law and you say compared to what. Compared to be an absolute dictator -- has capitalism from about thirteen hundred. No democracy for six or 700 years."

" Willing to -- you say this is one of the biggest criticisms of someone like a late -- market economist Milton Freeman is that they confused. Freedom. And democracy with capitalist."

" It's a set of rules. So what you said that the markets are the players that are competing it's is soccer and hockey it's whatever that's the part we see okay so people describe it is free competition. Now nowhere as a free competition and organized sports -- had -- stay of the referees. The third party is who makes the rules. They're not made by the players they're not made by the coaches and I made by the teams in all of sports that are made by an organized political authority. This has an antitrust exemption from the government."

" This is as you say the visible hand yes it's not an invisible right frank. Cruel they're the critics of Harvard Business School recently Angel Cabrera the dean of the management school in Glendale Arizona we he's been Emory -- but he also said the New York Times. It's obvious that something big has failed. Recent Harvard Business School graduate Philip delta brown has echoed summer that criticism. Reading the most trenchant criticism has come from one of your colleagues Harvard business professor -- score on Mac -- In his book from higher aims to hired hand he says be schools have failed to train their students in a fundamental way. So they don't think of themselves as professionals with stewardship over something important they see themselves as hired hands looking for the big killed but -- Thinking that yes there's been all this criticism. About ethics. Ethics is different from rules and regulations and --"

" Yes but look the original the original purpose of establishing Harvard and -- and the other four or five business schools was all the same. The purpose was to teach people to responsible exercise of power. Right in the original model of Harvard Business School words to teach people how to earn a decent profits in decent way. That was a lot of that was the motto of the first -- and effectively that's what the model school was when I joined the faculty in that seat in the sixties to break against the so we were gone. Those aren't answers. Brown and those are questions what's a decent profit well where are you what country what what time period all of those are questions but -- go to a decent way well. Understanding that puts some responsibility. On individuals."

" That's Bruce got professor emeritus of Harvard Business School -- have more with professors got in just when we come back. Also later today moon river and more with Andy Williams."

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" Welcome back we're hearing today from Harvard Business School professor emeritus Bruce got about capitalism he says some economists have been delayed the idea of free markets with. A free democracy but he says capitalism. Is about rules and regulations and that's not being taught enough. Really the uninitiated might think there'd be a course called regulations may be how to write them but. Spruce if what he was really saying is that right now at Harvard Business School there's not a teaching the definition of capitalism as he defines in another words. Capitalism as good governance."

" Let me stated. The way I'm sure of it because I had this discussion with the we don't teach anything about regulation and required course in the school no -- no. We know and Harvard business and look I'm nuts and this year because I'm not on the faculty -- but it's been that way for the last fifty years. We have not been teaching this stuff has been outside the field of vision we've been teaching people how do you play that game. This stuff is the editor on the sidelines. -- that doesn't make it's different from anybody else it's been basically missing all across the country."

" Well we note that a recent president of Harvard. Was Lawrence Summers this was after he left the Clinton administration analysts wonder the is advocates of deregulation. So he's telling companies pushing for teaching about regulation at Harvard business he made he made him."

" a little bit of some of this since then."

" Well if he does he joins former Federal Reserve chair Alan Greenspan who admitted to congress last fall at the -- of the crisis. That he found a flaw in his -- huge in shock disbelief. At what he was seen. But I'm not seeing really. Regulation that's right so what's happened."

" They look but. I've got a friend at school who said Bruce. Be clear. The crisis did not come from some kind of an accident like. -- oil shortage or war or anything. The crisis is a series of mistakes. Based on teaching at the major universities in the United States in the teaching has been just plain wrong. It's come right out of the universities and teaching does wrong is that markets regulate themselves. They don't regulate themselves they can't regulate themselves. So it's this -- you see more accurate definition of capitalism isn't Todd here and you wrestlers -- time. Once you get outside the uterus there's much more of teaching how an economy works in historical context. Germany is the most obvious example they used to be the world leaders on this. My book is being edited and published in Germany and fell back home here -- your colleagues Harvard I know you have supporters now. But how is Harvard Business School reacting. To when I'm gone and -- until there's no interest at all there's no interest at all. And I don't distinguished Harvard from anybody else on this and I really wish I couldn't. People have -- very interested in money. Right in the money isn't doing formulas and I E*Trade securities. It's not doing this other stuff. And if you say it in my really interested in teaching about something that doesn't have consulting income attachment. Well some people are an awful lot of people aren't so this is not in anybody's economic interest to teach. At this stage it's not clear that it's in and the business schools economic interest to teach. They're just beginning to recognize that regulation has to be part of the system. And it might be in the country's economic interests of yes it is -- that's clear but if you said to what extent are we teaching that we're not. Now look let me take you one piece for -- because I've had a couple of research assistants working for me. -- what's odd about capitalism elsewhere in the university. There's one course is gone history department it wouldn't connect with what I'm talking about it's a good guy teaching history -- And as somebody it's a social historian not interested in these questions life. If I just said the school of law school of economics school of government school of government. They've published a book one of the top guys in the school of government edited and published a book it's called varieties of capitalism. No definition of capitalism and no understandable role of government. So he -- in Massachusetts this incredible. Here's a book but somebody from the business school this is government has to be part of the capitalist system how can we missed it it's become just completely outside the field of vision. What's gonna happen now I don't know what's gonna happen now. They're an awful lot of people that are dug in to teaching mathematical formulations. And I think if people look at it they're gonna say. We have let loose a monster. And it's called the financial services sector. And financial services sector is now making its money by selling products. That this term in the the language is if it's been a -- OK I can tell what Indians. Like let's require a Vanilla mortgage thirty years fixed rate of interest. The banking industry says no we won't accept that we want each one of us have our own -- so you can't compare what we're selling. And the money's being made selling non standard products that the customer doesn't understand. This is why we have the derivative securities as the 500 trillion dollar business. Not traded on exchanged not standard product she can't compare. So it's a way to put people we've gotten no increase in growth all of this fancy stuff. Countries -- less in the last thirty years than -- grew in the thirty years before the start with what we've got hugely increased inequality of income. Not more rapid growth. And you're -- huge increase in corruption in Washington. -- the real trouble with this thing is you cannot. Reform. A capitalist system. -- the players get together when coaches get together it can only be done through the political process so when you corrupt government you can't get the reforms are."

" The baseball players are making of the world yeah. That's Harvard Business School professor emeritus Bruce got his forthcoming book capitalism its origins and evolution as a system of government as he says he's published one. Slim but very pointed chapter. Called the concept of capitalism. And full disclosure by the way."

" You are a neighbor you have been talking on my sleeve now four years seeing. Why do about this and I'm so glad we finally did thank you okay thanks nice to be here. We spoke to professor Scott earlier this week and asked Harvard Business School about his claim that they don't teach regulations as a required course. They responded that since 2004 they have had one course called leadership and corporate accountability. Teaching a business leaders economic an ethical responsibilities. But also addressing legal responsibilities. That flow from laws and regulations. Professor -- responds that still isn't teaching the deeper point that capitalism. Is the loss. It's a different -- go to here now dot org click on contact us send us an email left here. The latest news is next here in."

" Secretary of state Hillary Clinton traveled to Cairo today for a hastily arranged meeting with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak. The meeting was scheduled after Clinton's comments in Israel touched a nerve in the Arab world. She described as unprecedented. And Israeli offer to restrained but not stop Israel's settlements in the Palestinian territories. Yesterday Clinton downplayed that remark saying Israel's efforts still falls short of US expectations for the Middle East peace process. -- meeting in Cairo comes amid speculation about Egyptian leadership president Mubarak is 81 years old he's been in power for three decades. The BBC's Middle East correspondent Christian Frazier has this report about just who might succeed him."

" Staring down at me from this billboard in downtown Kyra it is the air brushed and strangely youthful image of an eighteen president. Alongside Hosni Mubarak's imposing figure of these three woods leadership transition. And future. The question is how much of the country's future companies AT one you'll president control."

" It seems to me what is important and after nobody accuses him. Is this all of -- daddy and general of the intelligence services. In providing stability. And opposed. --"

" And you -- actually was a senior Islamic affairs analyst for the CIA he understands the key role of the army plays in the Egyptian state. Which is why the 72 year old general there must tournament had a general intelligence. Of those on the print and Canada. -- spring is the director of the London Middle East Institute."

" General Omar -- on is not only of the military he also was a key figure in domestic intelligence. And a key figure in Egypt's foreign policy so he has his fingers in in the key parts of the country."

" The more educated about the connect that the ones that more numbers another notable -- much younger contend that an imam with me even place a link to the president that. Gamal Mubarak. He's youngest -- Trained as a bank in London he's already being shown around the white -- and he communicates in easy English. Now the head of the ruling party's influential policy committee he's seen by managed as the power behind -- But unlike his father. He's never served in the army and he would be the first civilian leader since the 1952. Revolution with the generals. Who enjoys enormous profit from no military business support -- I wish. That and it does -- that. General Ahmed Abdel -- he's already campaigning on his behalf."

" He is now leading that he formed within the party and within the government and within -- Only the full about him is that he is the prisons."

" Yeah that's is what -- is the opposition Gamal Mubarak has crowned prince. Now the former presidential candidate -- you'll recently released from jail has begun campaigning -- Gets to -- My country about this at this rally engage you to drive."

" These meetings are regularly disrupted by the police."

" I don't they staged by the armed mostly right. This mask the true. They came. Doubtful at this demonstration the is that mr. protesting against the arrested 27 and Memphis. Doctor SM and Adam dismisses -- Insisting the brotherhood of the people's choice in -- Yes but let alone. And I think -- the ability -- and the ability. -- such company big company. I don't know what. But he knows the odds are stacked against him it's not just state security is the constitution changed three years ago. Any future presidential candidate now requires 256. Inches. High ranking officials who work for the polo team now. -- thrilled they believe the most chances have been damaged by the unprecedented number strikes and demonstrations. It's against these phones the lessons. So I really stick or its chances. Political scientist doctor Ayman ultra -- since it depends on long instantly it's."

" And -- the Americans in the Israelis are hugely concerned that Hosni Mubarak suddenly leaves the scene. Without a successor in place. Anyone really knows what would happen in such a political vacuum. For egyptians the issue is whether this excessive did this changed that one day allows them to chase. Lead as they want."

" That report from the BBC's Christian Fraser in Cairo. We'll be back in thirty seconds with a change of pace with any Oscar and Grammy winners. You're listening here now."

" Philadelphia commuters."

" Made it to work this morning trying to figure out how to going to get home. Phillies subway stations are gated transit workers walking picket lines instead of driving the subways buses and trolleys. The workers went on strike at 3 this morning they'd threaten to walk out while the World Series was in town but governor Ed Rendell told both sides to negotiate or else. A union spokesperson says negotiations have gone as far as they can the strike was announced just hours after the Phillies beat the Yankees in game five. At least the next two games of the series will be in New York yes I said to. Okay if the Yankees win it will be over in one tomorrow night."

" The ball as good as. The boys the girls -- After this song was used in a Fiat commercial Britain switchboards lit up who is -- It is Andy Williams and in 2007. His 1967. Hit hit the charts in Britain again. And a star was reborn."

" Andy Williams was considered the wholesome pop star the counterpoint to Sinatra's rat pack. The farm boy in the tuxedo what -- grown up Tom Sawyer would sound like. His career spans three quarters of a century and moved from Iowa barn dances to 50001 radio stations. To TV film schools in the top of the charts. With songs like this Henry Mancini classic and there. But Andy Williams also struggled with a feeling of not being good enough in fact he underwent LSD therapy. He accompanied his former wife -- on. And Andy Williams memorably sang at the funeral of his dear friend Robert Kennedy."

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" You recorded eighteen gold and three platinum albums his television show won three Emmys president Ronald Reagan called his voice and national treasure. And a file that isn't enough he was honored -- the mention in the Simpsons in the 1996 Bart on the road episode. -- classmate Nelson insists on stopping off at the Andy Williams theater in Branson Missouri."

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" Andy Williams has quite a story detail and he does in his new memoir moon river and -- he joins us from the Warwick hotel in New York with more welcome."

" Well welcome thanks very much his futile little."

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" I would love Elvis has about five years old my father did that several and I they excited and my mother would come and opened the bag into. Pretend associated goes in there and -- jump. Surprise."

" Wonderful image of 1930s America -- move you from -- to -- not to Cincinnati Chicago funny Hollywood he was the driving force behind -- careers starting with you in your three Brothers the for a view -- the Williams Brothers what was this like was it because we've hear so many modern -- stories about parents who pushed their kids how would you describe what -- with you."

" Well like father's very gentle about pushing this ship but needed they needed tell -- differences. When we -- a little. Little all of the likeness of okay boys you're not as good as the rest scientists say that it worked harder what is wrong with it is -- child but he does it as tightly as they. Then -- a way of getting tests to practice."

" When you started singing on WHO radio and -- fares would be Brothers did you think. This is the height."

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" He would have brilliant wonderful tenor comedians arranger. You -- all of vocal sensitivity government. Fred Astaire and gene Callahan -- brilliant wonderful MGM musicals and we had this great act. With -- and my Brothers and just just the most fascinating read -- can imagine very consistent. -- supper club all over the United States."

" Yeah I'm gonna -- and CNN. Yeah. Look -- the -- good about it and she's amber that's evidence against bonds. We get the not the content edit now. But I'm not getting the job done."

" And at one point he had decided by Brothers especially as the it and not. Of working together and violent left or not knowing exactly what I want to do except that I that I can say you know elected to do."

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" The recording contracts. The hits started to fly I just wanna hear one of my favorites this is the days of wine and roses one of your Academy Award winning. Recording for us."

" Henry Mancini and Johnny Mercer is days of wine and -- it won the Oscar for best original song in 1963. You take a break and talk more with a man singing it. After a break here now."

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" Of course this was just before the British invasion. After which Andy Williams moved more to television where his family Christmas specials became the country's -- line. His new memoirs called moon river and meet his new CD is called moon river the very best of Andy Williams. Millions of hard Europe television show which aired on Sunday nights until 1971. Was the new talent she discovered they were those kids called the Osmond Brothers."

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" Well and there you are rubbing shoulders it is Sean Connery CD's of the camp Cleveland playing poker watching -- on John Glenn. John Lennon and Judy Garland. Bing Crosby Frank Sinatra but you're deepest friendship and seemed to be with Robert Kennedy -- that passage you book brings back a lot of memories for people with. There -- very hard to read about the day that he died you were there infect you -- England there was -- in the hospital afterwards. -- And sang at his funeral and then we do now remember that we saw. In you know Andy Williams with Ethel Kennedy's for the following decades you it was a close friendship."

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" It was a true friendship how did it change you."

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" continue to sort of be -- you open the moon river theater in Branson Missouri down there with ahead of a lot of the artists and eventually moved there. And then decent distance. Comeback a couple of times in Britain. Might."

" Well it's a -- and and that you know I had a couple hit record that. Were. You know songs that I had done forty years before. And they thought they were found and TV commercials. Kids love the commercials they called this shock result of the UK. And -- they recommend that guy's saying on the TV commercial related violence and let me have vomit all over again with the kids. So what however regular concert videos the next year. After they audiences sixty -- half -- fit succeed. And it was just really weird because it's the kids it's great Magellan of the adults would let them. And -- join into -- because it became. Aware of that sort ever done."

" Plus the voice holding because you know your loss to you have windows not tools."

" I had an -- on my vocal cord. Which I got. From saying when I had laryngitis -- I I think it -- it has. Hurt myself when it him. And in the sense for about a year and I didn't -- and it healed apple itself in this that is true."

" I need to do this it's like asking an action to go on character -- burn it can can we this year that remarkable voice is too few notes may be. The beginning of river received."

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" I've never vocalize in my life. I just never took a lesson. Oh which -- substantial for the decision that's for all of my Brothers to I don't it just as easy."

" So any Williams do you realize. That you are as good as the rest now."

" I finally came to the conclusion and write it and look. That that probably was. Well."

" And you -- so much."

" You're very welcome thank you."

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