Title: Boston Globe Across The Divide for August 22, 2007

" Thank you for downloading the podcast from the Boston Globe. Welcome to another edition -- Across as a -- I'm Russell interest in Boston with a selection story highlights on people of color around England. This week."

" Coming to Boston with quite a cultural -- at least you know coming from a cup a CT country he went. You don't stand down to -- you really do stand if you go to places you will be the end of the you know brown pants and I'm really ticks that."

" But some people of color first come to Boston and me feel out of place familiar faces food in music. Can be hard to come by. That is unless she bring the familiar with Q and introduce it to others that's just what London transplant maltreatment he did."

" Welcome if you've just joined us. He -- McCain beats bringing it invested in global South Asian music scene and the Asian underground source kids. Catch this is motivated 31 year old London trends. Every Thursday morning she hosts an upbeat preview show NB CBC 90 point three dedicated to -- South Asian underground. And even some classes for -- bollywood in cinema entity PGA -- proclaim peace talks after area in eastland where there's an -- South Asian population. It's which -- my comfort."

" Basically just don't stand now everything's assumed or so remaining Indians truly self agents in in England now it's it's you know. There have been a lot of minority but. You know you come hearing you -- and you find yourself explain -- little. And that I learned sort of not to get so frustrated you know that it's just people just don't know."

" To Betty says she came up with the idea for the show after living in Boston for a few years she had few outlets to join -- for -- She was feeling somewhat isolated and we."

" But what they came when and we total student about being Iraqis again you know the London where I grew up in my experience with funds it needs and it. Cosmopolitan city. Very very heavy concentration South Asian population concentration histories -- with with South Asia week immediately -- the concert a little like maybe. How many kids we did this I'm connecting you know action against that backdrop coming to Boston with quite a culture of at least you know coming from a cup a CT a country where. You don't stand down to defeat he would you really do stand if you go to -- things you who obediently you know brown pants. And I'm really -- that. And music is being -- on my life away and did come between sort of don't around the radio that he was going on in a ends up you know. Listening to them we'll be fiction in the house BBC radio one -- when they should taste rising South Asian music politics."

" I wouldn't have listening to back online music school. This something like 15 important things sort of I -- that we do this and trying to."

" Figure out way to do it the first part of the show is dedicated to -- That's a tradition music form of the Punjab region of India and that's. It's also used to describe -- fusion and W music. Make it. During the show she also -- in some indie movie classic. That's music her father's -- from London. At times."

" I grew up. And then to appreciate it music to my father in my uncle who -- real film box and they were coming out the united into -- cinnamon and chocolate houdini so. I -- a little tree and then and then to appreciate the beauty of -- this type of music as well and and the lyrics in the wade he's put together this one blood -- my dad's old tapes when I went back to London. Recently my dad has connections old 40 intake and you know. I brought them back quick meal went through the -- we went through them you know this one's going to take this one. Indeed she goes in sub South Asian underground. Not just east meets west and or -- the meat you eat whatever it is these that but I think what's also happening is. The South Asian. These new generations of the southeastern yes -- second that generation they. Re finding in an identity and they use seemed they include cities. In music to really express there and I -- team in some of these music isn't necessary even not even using any old. Traditional South Asian music movies just Brandon and there's just you know. -- talking about their experiences through their music."

" says it's more south Asians moved to the Boston area she hopes her radio show becomes an outlet for that community. That's because Americans in general success still don't understand the people from India India aspirin."

" The -- they show these I'd love to keep keep expanded. -- right you know where showcasing new -- would love takes and really reached out to. And -- US onto the hope of leading appointees and we want to use it from some positive way. Trying maybe can make more we purchased the South Asian community that just Boston community and really trying to get ways places their positive things going owning it needs to trying used -- beats to promote."

" Brooklyn beats shares on debut CBC Afghan society point three every Thursday. From 7 AM to nine him. It's also and lives to get BC BC dot org can also download it under her to court. For the Boston Globe. This -- contracts right. This just across the divide. Being black in the fashion industry is hard. But tried making that transition from model tumble that's just what -- well known black models did. In the September issue of ebony magazine globe -- writer Keith beats spoke with the likes of Tara banks. He can Morley Simmons. Who discussed about their experiences of being an African American and widely white dominated industry. -- is also the creator of black people's money dot com and covers the business of sports for the globe. Recently cross the divide spoke with read about his piece than Anthony."

" Well basically news to us that altitude and so as we got. Together for the -- profile release supermodels last few years. From in on being oldest news. Commodities sentenced to adequate food -- banks and talk to them about the year careers and two things happening. The first thing is it really make the transition from being a model to being businesswoman and that is really been necessity from these it they were walk in ways mostly in at least three of them mostly in the -- to -- 90s through through now. And the second thing that we talked about that we really wanted to discuss is how all that happened in in the context though. Relief for models having fallen out fever and the pop culture lexicon broadly. -- line and what effect and on them as African American models because they're they're always been you know very few. Really really famous black models it in the World War. -- for the most famous but when modeling sort of fell off his feet after. Stately 1990s you know -- use an arrow where supermodel was on every cover of every magazine that's what we've really tried to captures. You know how these women have carved out niche for themselves in the business -- really is the image of of people like them on -- is -- format for. Americans have always had this love hate relationship with the black body especially female black body called win back the Billie holiday in Japan -- an honest. How different is this image. From those previous images in the past. I don't think it's any different I don't know. How much in in -- really didn't talk to them very much about. Whether the fuel or less accepted in in the American lexicon terrors of culturally whether -- not the the fuel. They're more accepted what whether they -- people look at them as being more or less beautiful compared with white models with anyone else -- which he says is true it is always always has been in in May always will be some discussion defeat discomfort with the black body with it's that black pro athlete or. He knows muscle bound comes out represents you know -- the aggressive black male stereotype with a female who you'd look at these. European -- sexual last but not worth much more I mean you know this is always been that. Dynamic in in pop culture Nina it's the -- we -- really didn't talk very much about that though at least for women these there obviously the Easter from feeders in the fashion industry but when -- compare -- white counterparts how much. Power of these when. Or they really at the table -- based -- marginalized -- a -- talked to -- because most successful. Cosmetics companies in the world and was always built on the foundation of having been specifically. A company that meet cosmetics for women of color and she's she's always make it when actually he told me actually let this story with an anecdote. From Vieri did the very beginning of her career. When she she talks about when she first. Around the United States the first time she did photo shoot with -- she gets on it on the set he she is very young very for a shipment having never shot -- United States and she gets on the -- it's it's a photographer. And her and in light model and the white model as -- make up in a stylus -- on shows up in in the photographer ants are do you have your own makeup. And she realizes that he has nothing for her because there -- no there's there's nothing on the market the compliment. Her own skin tone in the pictures that she takes turn out terrible they too you know she's -- her skin look -- Having veteran person she's anything but great season the -- Breezy beautiful therapy is sort of skin -- but in so she got the seed then in there -- first photo shoot the United States that this is what. She should maker cosmetics company. About she's done very well that the rest of them are again are very much at the table at the head of the table more runs very successful. Fashion label that was started by she and her husband in Mosul 440 million dollars a few years ago when she still runs runs it is CEO. Tara banks runs her own media company bankable productions and she produces her own talk show she produces. America's Next Top Model witches obviously wanted to highest reading most talked about shows in prime time it has been. For several years let quick justice wrote books he has and -- you know I don't think the chicken that you can argue that any of these women -- Acted at the back scientists yo marginalized from TVs or are women who have all taken. Control of their careers indignant tone of their businesses and meet their needs it to brands that are very very valuable -- musical that we ought."

" Well was looking for these alternative paths to success especially you know we should middle class you see this with. Dominant color when they think gorgeous finally going to hip hop and the sentinel label him on the -- we witness seen. In new formula here where -- teacher the industry as a model gain recognition as a businesswoman and in branch out there."

" It's it's a paradigm that is particularly has caught on. Especially among younger generation and we're not just talk about miles but across all professions if you look at. Who the most likely person in United States to start -- companies an African American male. Most small businesses obviously employ more. More people -- in the United States and in large companies do but the people who are more likely to start those small businesses ten. To be minorities I just finished re reading hopeful that a friend of minding court Daniel chiefs beat writer fortune now she's office. And she wrote a book called black power is in black power incorporated one of the chapters. Talks is called beyond reach when she talks about being beyond reach she speaking about you know. This younger generation you know twentysomething Thirtysomething. I'm African Americans but -- Bradley's minorities Hispanics and African Americans who who expect to get a classy. And just don't see the need to you know it will not allow themselves to be frustrated but it glistening because they know what's coming. And they going to companies and corporations speaking about. What is my exit. That it I'm not I don't want to run its you know -- Dallas is I don't want to run the Boston Globe want to learn what I can. From the globe and step out on my own -- that's as freelance terrorists. You know running my own media company Euro corny to some of them I'll work -- business school -- a case may be wanna. -- Revlon I want and it's stand Revlon in until. I hate that -- glass ceiling an -- branch office start my own cosmetics company army biko or Fremont as a Vice President. And a final whatever the opportunities that most expedient for me. To have control over my own destiny I think. With these women have all have all done is sort of a model."

" Four people were in any profession. That was key through reed business reporter for the Boston Globe he speed some for African American fashion business woman appeared in the September issue of ebony magazine. This just across the divide. With the arrival of David -- to the US soccer's not -- a lot of attention here. But for some immigrant communities in New England soccer is a way of life. And it can be used as a great uniter one nonprofit group -- all spotted this and decided to use the beautiful game to bring the areas of various immigrant groups together. 70 plus minutes could produce a winner. So the Socrates representing endorse in Brazil had to go down to politics yes this was merely -- tournament and well meant to Foster better relationships among nearest meaning advocate groups. Four members of the Brazilian and -- this being the winner would have the chance of -- Guatemala in the final. -- you might have guessed Brazil won the shoot out. Bring the right to play Guatemala in the first annual one little World Cup tournament was organized by one -- In nonprofit group that helps immigrants settle in one of the most diverse cities in Massachusetts. To participate teams had to have at least half of their members be from the country records in the team that way to competition would have a field like the real World Cup. In the two days of gains area immigrant groups played against other immigrant groups for the first time. For example on the opening night Mexico played against China. Something Mexican team says has never happened in the stands where fans from various countries waving flags and wearing their national colors eight various ethnic foods and dance to different music while 13 play. It -- not only from -- from surrounding towns and cities one -- executive director of Victoria fall -- says that was the idea behind the wonderful World -- different immigrant groups."

" Together and throughout the tournament in general the comments have -- and wonderful about people having to be here you know we had different food vendors ethnic foods and so I think in general -- it breached our goals. What you know one of the things that I noticed in my work. Is that you know the communities they stay to themselves you know. Even like take the Hispanic community is like there's the Colombians over here in the Hondurans -- here which they're culturally different even -- they speak the same language it's hard. To bring these groups together known -- not just about language but it's about it's also about culture but it's also about national pride."

" It Brazilian what the model final was intense and bruising -- a mile I was able to take advantage retired resilient team defendant dozens of spectators Carlos stadium -- Guatemala 13 male. Guatemala team captain -- went cisneros says he enjoyed being part of the new event. And hope the one little World Cup will continue each year."

" It was great you know -- the competition was pretty good -- they would like that you -- guys with that come from different nationalities it's a different type of soccer in on in it was a great great tournament the whole weekend was great."

" Public says she hopes he had -- sparks more collaboration among the groups. Especially since each are under represented politically in lol in surrounding towns. -- are going wall is about political and government none of these groups on their own are ever going to get anywhere. In a part of Margolis wanted to get somewhere we want peace we don't have right now we had one. City councilor who was from Columbia. And he resigned to go work for for around Deval Patrick. And now we don't have any. And you know we need we need some more minority representation for the Boston Globe this is -- contreras and --"

" It's it's across divide. This episode across divide is introducing the new segment called across the divide. Across the nation where we will set out to interview newsmakers and diverse cities. To pick up this news segment we take you Phoenix, Arizona. One of the fastest growing cities in the country. Phoenix has a large Latino native American population. And is in the forefront of the immigration debate the mayor of the city's still important. Who's part of a new wave of new west Democrats bridging the gap between traditional conservative communities. New urban professionals and recent immigrants Gordon is up for reelection for mayor next month. And some political observers believe UPS a strong showing as expected. He may be a top contender for Arizona's governor's seat maybe the US senate across the -- spoke with -- about the city he state and its future."

" A reminder of what people say when they come from New York and Boston when he first from the Phoenix. I realize how big this was -- you know a lot of me when people from the outside especially from the east coast come to Phoenix. I'm absolutely almost day after day whether it's national leaders -- Business individuals visitors a year here on business or even international leaders realizing. How large deficits we're both in size and population. Most individuals don't realize that we are the fifth largest city population states. Million and a half people here in the city in three million surroundings it. Or that we are 550 square miles. As a city 55 million miles north south so we're big city. But size isn't really the measure of I think what's impressing people it's the amount of activity that's going things -- development. All types residential commercial retail if you -- to tell somebody -- his -- from Boston New York. Where things have to see when they're in Phoenix what do will be -- suggestions. First I would think that they would want to see natural beauty that here within the city itself. You can visit mountains that are untouched and climb and hike them. God through the desert. Christian Senora desert I think I think probably one of the most impressive things and I think I would recommend this. Visitors should get the opportunity to actually drive the top of south mountain largest. Park system in the United States. And the top of the park and look and see how large -- it is but how beautifully it. When the other things I hear constantly when people visit Phoenix from the east coast is they're surprised about the diversity here in this you have regards. You know population obviously. Sizeable African America corporation. Talk a little bit about oh what the country can learn from Phoenix and its diversity because this is a west. You don't have to some structures of segregation in the south and northeast sort of like having a clean slate. City Phoenix. While it has its challenges in the last and that is the US it's always had this. Spirit of entrepreneurship and and the ability to succeed based on -- merits. And not limitation based on one's -- gamer coming generation your family's been in the city there. What one's ethnicity as well -- ages religion -- Those challenges was bears never existed in Phoenix and bonuses because. We really truly became a melting pot just within the city and in fact the only limitation as I point out to people with success here is how much time one and something. It's young city and it -- young population and so we value diversity embrace diversity. Creativity the fact that the knowledge economy really. -- is based on diversity economic education and those are two factors that we haven't. You know as you pointed out earlier city of Phoenix's created. Over 90000 jobs in the last two years until last two years along. That's leading the nation in job creation wrote that that the are on target to also. Match that this year we grow net population about 3000 month in this city itself that you're somebody is come through the ranks."

" You start -- school board member Vietnam business school boards city councilman -- scene you know these political waters -- well. What advice could you give. Presidential candidates want to appeal. To Phoenix and Arizona voters the issues that here are necessary these issues out from south and east coast. It's at it's moderate but it's not necessary the aid Ritter -- state purple state. If someone's coming here trying to maneuver voters what are some advice that you can give them estimate who's gone up to the ranks I think."

" Why I've been successful and a -- and success goes. I believe strongly that all politics are local that you know we all live in a neighborhood Leo. Wake up in the morning in wanna safe neighborhood environment for children. Great education for them and a and a good job for us to make sure that we can provide for families. So to me it's the focus on the three years -- laid out is you know Hopkins presidential candidates. Publisher of the voters of Phoenix the future will be bright for for us in the nation in jobs and education. And in public safety specifically I would say that continue to reach out to. The administration and continue to remind them Homeland Security is home town security. Local security. We needed to continue to invest in local government."

" only public safety but in the infrastructure damage that would protect. Homefront and lastly I would say it is nice that the governor babbitt -- gave me in. Congressman passed or reaffirmed the me two individuals that have helped guide me in my political career. -- to speak from the heart. That would people here at the west when it went in knowing that's in part they recognize that absolutely I think when you're with local voters they conceive through. The sound bites the polishing that just talk from your heart in yourself and you believe in something say that if you he disagreed and disagree and but point out which -- Democrats again the new west. She knows all of us that we have to work together and so that I think I've been very successful in my career and mine city has benefited from being nonpartisan that means and supporting individuals well statewide in and nationally. That error of different parties in fact. I think it's important that we work together probably now more than ever we see the results of partisan fighting in Washington DC and state levels individuals that are helping this city. Deserve the support -- orders have you yet picked out presidential -- that you kind of gave you still. And it tested UH -- Well I I am certainly supporting it as a friend a long time friend Senator John McCain who. Has supported me hands crossed party lines and has done a lot of things that I agree with but also number things that I disagree. First and foremost friend and supporter make but I'm proud Democrat and there are great democratic candidates arsenal and certainly senator. Clinton hand senator Obama -- you know nationally immigration as a top issue made. Especially in east coast you are on the forefront here on the front lines here. What role do you think that I missed the housing. -- plane that debate on the -- and my voice in this room for since I've been mayor even before. The founding fathers in this country. Put immigration policies at the federal level and that was done for reasons one as a country can't. Various policies state by state vice city. Geographically the borders are so large that. Even if one state and they. Policy that was in its best interest and the state and the ignored it it would be affecting that one state or city. Number two -- local government can't be the solution immigration policy. And the federal government needs to -- and that it workable revised immigration policy reform comprehensive policy challenges that. The United States needs significantly large. Workplace that's already here and that will continue to come and help what is at 15. Well I think it's important that country not only Phoenix countries have this country number one in this city but being torn apart. This debate. Number two is you have families that. I have individuals that are legal here and and individuals aren't children that our brothers and sisters that are. Number theory that you know this debate. Continues to have local government and coming up with stopped card measures that still until the federal government secures the border for immigration and terrorists. And has this comprehensive immigration reform. The problems will still continue with respect to what Local Governments Roloson in the city things. Our role is to go after criminals. Violent criminals. Murderers drug smugglers gang members and that doesn't matter whether legal or illegal our role is not to grow and become immigration enforcement agency nor can we afford to."

" I see you get 70% of the vote last time satan matched up top that. And we're dreaming can own speculations about you know the governor seats open up but -- posts on the scene here in noodles future job opportunities. Traction off you know if I could stay mayor in the greatest job I think in the Indian country. That's what I would want to do with respect to the future as they say they -- and take a look at what other opportunities. May exist. But just as likely made you know. I think that's what a lot of people will just let people speculate it. That was billboard near Phoenix, Arizona across the divide spoke with -- in Phoenix it's part of our new across the divide across the country series. This is across the divide."

" Last month the city of Boston played host to a unique event called some evidence Latvia continent. Celebrate life with health. It was a health fair aimed at the Latino community in the area. But a set of being just a bunch of -- heading out brochures. That it had a concert and various activities for children organizers say the concert and activities were used to -- witnessed the event. So they can -- important messages about their health. Messages for example like heart disease is the number one killer of Latino men and women. Event also provided free screenings doctor -- deputy assistant secretary for minority health and the US Department of Health and Human Services. Says some of those messages from the festival needed to get out the Latino community they can lead healthier lives. -- spoke with across the divide right before the event last month."

" Should there that your office there is addressing some of the disparities that exist in communities of color. In the African American I think chocolate but it what's at stake and what these disparities mean."

" Yet not let you be articulated that the terms of what they do about it primarily because minority community are the fastest expected to. And so by the year. But keep 50 minority -- action packed -- beat the majority -- the fact is great to -- cartoon can mean that Asian American and Hispanic. -- where in many in many feet across the -- the Hispanic. Due to budget mission in -- Georgia and -- the commitment to the explosive -- in terms or minor propositions. So what does that actually mean well it means is that when you look at and number to take -- the pocketbook diabetes -- cancer HIV -- And that he that he spent make America he charges large proportion an art -- impact. -- haven't -- these indicate panic kills for example for spending mailed they have three times the victory. From HIV aid is important you know companies that treatment he knows the number these are more concerned me rated debt rated -- fact that competitor. We're not talking 102 literature -- 500% higher in terms of the victory from HIV aid if you look at something basically could look at the infant mortality read. The Puerto Rican population one -- in the attic. We hear it from theory that 40% higher than that of the general population to vote to -- Weird seeing occur in the population that we know that are present that these populations grow and become larger and larger portion. Our united department those numbers are. It is going to -- bigger and better and our attention to better educate our speaker. I'll across the national scene so it felt very very important for the future or. Or injury two united -- America that we pay attention of the art more minority populations."

" Now the disparities based on access to health care. Education would it wouldn't obstruct the disparity."

" And that amid an eloquent and David discredit -- by a number. Differently we know that actresses -- it is that health insurance or regions want specter well whose economic status we know. That have leaders -- Leo that knows that cultural awareness and -- people approach you have your system are. Are all of these kind of interrupting that each individual affect the health disparities numbers you know albeit it. It's it's -- multi track for a profit and there's no want to. Is that explain it to proportionate impacted here it uses. An example of rhetoric."

" It up next week. It's like he's going to -- people began on waste that is. Music sort detained and it draws and so that the -- you know -- it there. It's -- something that is be strategically done to -- is -- talk -- You -- Bahrain. Doctor -- at them purpose to try to get people to."

" Yes it is going to purpose -- wanted to -- and public health work. It's for years you were speaking to keep them not a language would have been patient that we -- in our -- our public helped our common people. With no or on the what to do with that what phone is that of this it to reach deep we have to talk to them in no way that -- Relate to that people understand it in venue and we. Added attraction that are part of your regular seat back into an attractive that is definite -- strategic part oh -- trying to oh reached here is across."

" Church that was doctor Garth -- deputy assistant secretary for minority health in the US Department of Health and Human Services."

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